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by **66-1112520797** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:48 am

We are getting worse and worse, more and more embarassing and it's even get to the point where we can lose at Home to Barnsly in the fifth round of the FA Cup and to be absolutely truthful, none of us are even surprised. Surely that's the clearest indicator of all.

So true.

What amazes me is that the usual fans that defend Rafa up until the sheer point of stupidity hide or dont even post on here after such a humiliation. They'll tell us "its posters like you who usually come out with the same old cr.ap, with your knives sharpened towards Rafa after a defeat"

Well I come out just as much after a win and praise and credit the lads, of course I'd love to talk about how great we are playing and wha a team we look. But as it stands I cant, havent done for at least a season now.

Tuseday will come, and by God by some miracle we keep a clean sheet and beat Inter, all the usual suspects will come out and say ..... ' Where are all those miserable Kunts who want to see rafa fail now ?'

My reply will be 'I'm here right with ya, celebrating' of course though that makes me fickle, to see my team lose and moan about it, then next game we win and I celebrtate it. If that is fickle, that would suggest the likes of Lando, LFC2007, Redtrader 74 and Sabre are equally happy when we lose. I just do not understand their argument. Amongst all that I will STILL mantain Rafa needs to go, Alonso and Kuyt are not good enough even if we did win the CL, but then again there is more chance of the Pope becoming a devil worshipper than there is of us winning the CL.

As a club due to the Yanks we've become an embarrisment
As a team where heading that way too.
Sorry Rafa, time has ticked out you.

by **Paul C** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:56 am

I struggle to understand some people on this forum, so far this season:

1. we struggle against Luton, Havant & Waterlooville, and knocked out by Barnsley
2. have a poor run in the carling cup
3. scrape through the champions league in a poor group
4. out of the league by January

I'm sorry but fans deserved to be annoyed with things at the moment, all these fans that think it's wrong to question the manager need to take a reality check cos pardon me if I'm wrong but hasn't Benitez spend £140+ and hasn't he had 4 years in charge? problem is that on paper he had an excellent squad but we aren't any closer to winning the league!

Jamie Redknapp made a lot of good points this week that Liverpool won't win the league under Rafa Benitez and I have to agree, yeah he is a very good manager in Europe but he just doesn't seem to understand the premier league at all, I just feel that the players as well as the fans are now starting to question the manager, this situation has a distinct feel of Gerrard Houllier about it and we all know what happened to him.

I'm not saying it's right to just come out and slate Benitez because it's not, I love the guy to bits but I love Liverpool more and have to think with my head and not my heart, will the club be better without Benitez? I think it probably would, the other question is who would replace him? I don't think their are many managers out there who could do a better job but that doesn't say that their isn't, if you think about it come June this club could be completely different if DIC takeover, yes it will go back to the old way of the team doing the talking on the pitch but I'm sure that whoever is the manager will be backed and won't have to deal with as much sh!t as Rafa has off the field, ok he brought some of it on himself but I feel so sorry for the guy because it must be so deflating to win games and then straight after in an interview be asked about all the off the field problems.

My final point is that I'm not giving up on Rafa and although I will question him (as fans are aloud to) I still support him while he's in charge of my beloved reds, BUT I don't know if he will be able to win our holy grail in the premier league and it's not because he isn't a great manager but maybe he just isn't suited to English football, very much like players who have come to England and stuggled but gone back to the continent and set the place alight, Diego Forlan and Hernan Crespo spring to mind :;):

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:57 am

JoeTerp wrote:It was pretty unbelievable that we lost. I couldn't believe that we didn't score more than 1 goal, it should have been 5 or 6. And the way in which they won was so stunning, it just doesn't seem real. And there was so little build up to the game it seemed, I guess I didn't realize how big of an upset it was.

I don't think that Jose would take the job if we offered it, I could see him at Barca or in Italy, but why would he want to manage under G&H?

I think if you bring Rafa back, it would improve the confidence in the team because it would show that the ownership has confidence in the manager, because he wasn't sacked despite such a dreadful season. Then it can be another summer of retooling instead of restarting the rebuilding process over again. I certainly would not take any action until after the season, and until after I have done some post season interviews with Rafa analysing the season as a whole and to see what his plans were to fix the team going forward, who did he plan to sell and buy, did he plan on changing his tactics or strategy in anyway, does he plan on bringing in an assistant. I think we can all agree that Rafa is not a stupid person, he must know in his heart that he is doing something on his part of the job that has not been up to snuff. Then depending on how convinving his post season interviews are and the availibility of other top managers, I would make a decision.

You've got a point there about Mourinho, I cannot see him and G and H lasting for a year, the only way he may come is if we're taken over by the DIC. But the thing is that this club is in a crisis and the best way may be for Rafa to walk away. The one thing that's been keeping him here is the fans and it looks like he's losing them too. I'm afraid that by the end of the season he'll have no support left from anyone, because these bad results will keep coming.

by **Owzat** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:02 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:Manhattan would like to point out his reaction on the Barnsley thread.

Manhattan thinks that the situation is so bad at LFC, that defeat in the Champions League tie with Inter should mean the end of the Rafa era at the end of this season.

I'm not sure the yanks will wait until the end of the season, they may be tempted to get someone in now before the Champions League campaign is over. Maybe someone will persuade them about "the done thing", but I wouldn't count on it.

I'm never surprised by so called "fans" on these boards who think by supressing an opinion they'll make it go away and show some kind of unity. There is a fooking massive problem and burying your head in the sand and stringing out the "give 'im seven years like what fergie 'ad and 'e'll win the league" line - talking of which this isn't fifteen years ago, £22m won't get you equality on the spending front and rivals WILL NOT sell you players like Cantona and Keane (would be like the mancs selling us Ronaldo for £6m and Arsenal selling us Fabregas)

by **Homebooby** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:43 am

I started reading the news pages this morning with a lot of trepidation that we would be without a manager. I have to admit that it is getting harder to back up Rafa at this moment when such unforgivable things happen as yesterday....it's just so depressing to not have that undeniable self belief in a club the size of LFC would usually warrant.

Do I want Rafa out....no. Purely because I want some stability in the team that will lead us to success and I don't want to admit that we have only swapped our major goal threat (Owen) for a younger model (torres) and watched the other stalwarts of the team getting 4 years older for nothing. We're at a point now where Stevie and Jamie are getting on and I don't see the successors coming through. How Sami is still going, I'll never know, but he is essentially on his last legs and we're in danger of losing what little backbone we have. Admittedly Pepe has done a reasonable job in bringing some level of certainty back to the Liverpool goal.

It's clear enough that the end goal is to be challenging for the Premiership title and here we are (again) wondering if we'll even get a CL spot next year. That is not progress.

I have been waiting for weeks/months for Mourinho to jump into the managerial role to be honest and I for one wouldn't be that upset if he did. I think that if he wants to, he can adapt his conduct to match the Liverpool way and noone can deny how he turned the floundering Chelsea where good money was going after bad into the success that they have become. their situation before he came in was no dissimilar to us now.

Would he take the job? I think he would cos I think he is a man for revenge and I think we are his only realistic hope of taking on the likes of Chelsea should he wish to follow that path. Relatively there is little to live up to in recent history and he could seal his reputation as a manager if he could take us to a premiership title for the first time in 18 years. I think that would be v. attractive for him.

The thing that saddens me is that the business tactic is taking over again now. The yanks have done the sensible thing and shut up and let Rafa's performance do the talking and slowly but surely, that is coming to the forefront and the fans are starting to question again. I have my doubts whether Rafa will be able to pull off another CL win, but I think that that is now the only thing that will go any way to buying him another season.

It would be a lot easier to write Rafa off if he didn't come across like such a good bloke. He has something about him that makes it very hard (for me at least) to dislike him. It just makes you want to shout at him to get his finger out of his :censored:

even more.

One thing is for sure, the more we talk about it, the worse we make it for everyone involved.

by **red187** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:56 am

Here I go, I'm willing to take abuse because of my support for Rafa.

The team we put out was more than capable of beating Barnsley. Apart from Gerrard, Torres and Reina we had possibly our strongest team out.

Are we admiting that as Liverpool football club we dont have the squad quality to leave those three guys out. Of course we do.

The tactics against Barnsley were the right ones. We should have one the game comfortably and in the process rested our key players for the Inter game.

A question for all of those calling for Rafas head, who do you think we should bring in a manager. Should we bring in Mourinio who was so tactically inept, he couldnt put out a team capable of beating us when it matter ( 3 semi finals in 3 years).

I dont see any other managers being mentioned on the forums. Who's out there, every manager has their faults, Rafa's is very obviously his motivational skills, but is that enough to sack him.

What we lose if he goes is one of the brightest tactical mind in world football.

I know it sounds like a weak arguement, but we cant sack Rafa for the sake of sacking someone. We need a viable alternative to be clearly available and interested.

At the moment there is no one in world football we could approach as possible manager who is more qualified or would be more committed than Rafa.

Please prove me wrong, show me that some of you have thought about this in depth. Give me some suggestions as to who you would put in charge, but lets not kid ourselves Mourinio isnt the man and be realistic about it all managers failure is part of the game.

by **lakes10** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:57 am

Rafa has to go now.

I am not trying to wind up other members tgat like him but the way he has got our team playing football is wrong.

When he come to our club some had an idea that he was never going to win the premfor us, We know he was a great european manager and he lived up to that in his first year by winning the CL. but the rot was already there, he had mucked up in the FA cup and we ended up 5th in the prem, Even GH had got us 4th the year before.

Our owners are not tp blame for us going out of the FA cup this year, no that is down to Rafa, once again he has his mind set on the CL game.

He will never learn that liverpool is about winning in England , only then can you look at winning in Europe.
Lest face it if we dont get our act right in the next few game there will be no CL for us next year.

Rafa has never been the man to win the pream for Liverpool..........as i said from the day he come to the club.

I have stuck to my guns about that point and i still will.

Sack him now and line up a new manager

by **kazza** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:01 am

It amazes me that some seem to be happy with the defeat so they can say "see I am right, i told you so" Sad really!

Bigmick, another gripe at Benitez thread. How refreshing. maybe you should send your CV to the club as they may need a new manager this summer and you seem to be a footballing genius. You seem to have all the facts (you know who is nursing an injury, who had a fight with his woman, who has been depressed lately). Remind me, what is it you do for a living?

Why the underreaction? Maybe we are p1ssed off but do not want to b1tch (and we know you will do it for us). Now how about writing a ten page essey and tell me how I am wrong (as I have had insomnia lately and need forty winks). :sleep

Your posts do not solve anything except make people feel bad. Do you think that your opinions will sway the owners (NO!) So what is the point? Is it so we think you are clever? Some may but I do not but you certainly seem too.

by **66-1112520797** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:11 am

kazza wrote:It amazes me that some seem to be happy with the defeat so they can say "see I am right, i told you so" Sad really!

Bigmick, another gripe at Benitez thread. How refreshing. maybe you should send your CV to the club as they may need a new manager this summer and you seem to be a footballing genius. You seem to have all the facts (you know who is nursing an injury, who had a fight with his woman, who has been depressed lately). Remind me, what is it you do for a living?

Why the underreaction? Maybe we are p1ssed off but do not want to b1tch (and we know you will do it for us). Now how about writing a ten page essey and tell me how I am wrong (as I have had insomnia lately and need forty winks).

Your posts do not solve anything except make people feel bad. Do you think that your opinions will sway the owners (NO!) So what is the point? Is it so we think you are clever? Some may but I do not but you certainly seem too.

Oh fook in hell, what we're not even supposed to disscuss our poor form on an internet forum.

Lets just sweep it under the carpet.

by **The_Rock** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:18 am

lakes10 wrote:Rafa has to go now.

I am not trying to wind up other members tgat like him but the way he has got our team playing football is wrong.

When he come to our club some had an idea that he was never going to win the premfor us, We know he was a great european manager and he lived up to that in his first year by winning the CL. but the rot was already there, he had mucked up in the FA cup and we ended up 5th in the prem, Even GH had got us 4th the year before.

Our owners are not tp blame for us going out of the FA cup this year, no that is down to Rafa, once again he has his mind set on the CL game.

He will never learn that liverpool is about winning in England , only then can you look at winning in Europe.
Lest face it if we dont get our act right in the next few game there will be no CL for us next year.

Rafa has never been the man to win the pream for Liverpool..........as i said from the day he come to the club.

I have stuck to my guns about that point and i still will.

Sack him now and line up a new manager

Now its not the time for this...we have to take cover. The "pro-senior" brigade are gonna log on soon and start coming down on us...... :glare:

Remember we are not worthy because we criticise the manager (er....coach). This is a club with tradition...we shouldn't sack the manager. Rafa is our saviour...He will bring us the title soon. Remember fergie....what if he was sacked after 4 years....yada yada yada......

by **bigmick** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:18 am

kazza wrote:It amazes me that some seem to be happy with the defeat so they can say "see I am right, i told you so" Sad really!

Bigmick, another gripe at Benitez thread. How refreshing. maybe you should send your CV to the club as they may need a new manager this summer and you seem to be a footballing genius. You seem to have all the facts (you know who is nursing an injury, who had a fight with his woman, who has been depressed lately). Remind me, what is it you do for a living?

Why the underreaction? Maybe we are p1ssed off but do not want to b1tch (and we know you will do it for us). Now how about writing a ten page essey and tell me how I am wrong (as I have had insomnia lately and need forty winks).

Your posts do not solve anything except make people feel bad. Do you think that your opinions will sway the owners (NO!) So what is the point? Is it so we think you are clever? Some may but I do not but you certainly seem too.

I'm certainly not happy with the defeat, and I'm certainly not trying to prove I'm "clever".

Beyond that fella I'll not do the long essay for you I'll keep it short. The reference to what I or anybody else does for a living is unnecessary, and overall this is not one of your better posts. You seem to have decided to crank up some sort of internet argument with me based on what your perception of my personality is but it isn't going to happen. If you disagree with anything I say on the forum with regards football issues then crack on and say why. If you find my posts boring, repetitive or annoying or all three and more then don't read them, simple really.

I've read many of your posts over the years, and to be perfectly honest I've always had you down as a decent enough bloke. I think I'm probably right on that, but all this "you think you are clever stuff" belongs in the playground, and references to what people choose to do in order to feed their family is poor form. Over to you for the final word on the personal stuff, but please feel free to engage in debate about football on a football forum anytime you are ready.

by **dawson99** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:58 am

lack of reaction? most people too upset to be bothered. most people just went and got wasted... most people couldnt be bothered to here the wind up merchants.

most people just pi$$ed at the situation

by **112-1077774096** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:03 am

redsince2001 wrote:
peewee wrote:well Mick I have hardly hidden my feelings.

Now to the people being hypcritical, at one turn you are telling the games moved on and the next breath you are telling us we don't do these things at our club, well let me tell you that I agree we have moved but then trying to suggest we are still a club that does things the right way and behind closed doors is just laughable,

Get him out now

why get him out .... if u got the fu.ckin guts ..get the fu.ckin owners out ... who started this mess in the first place ..
and ruined our fu.ckin season !

haha tell me how the owners are in any way responsible for rafa naivety, his tactical inepteness, his lack of respect for the league, i could understand your belief if it was only this season were sh*t under rafa but how do you explain the previous years, i suppose that was all david moores fault.

come on lad wake up and smell the coffee

by **112-1077774096** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:04 am

redsince2001 wrote:
peewee wrote:well Mick I have hardly hidden my feelings.

Now to the people being hypcritical, at one turn you are telling the games moved on and the next breath you are telling us we don't do these things at our club, well let me tell you that I agree we have moved but then trying to suggest we are still a club that does things the right way and behind closed doors is just laughable,

Get him out now

why get him out .... if u got the fu.ckin guts ..get the fu.ckin owners out ... who started this mess in the first place ..
and ruined our fu.ckin season !

haha tell me how the owners are in any way responsible for rafa naivety, his tactical inepteness, his lack of respect for the league, i could understand your belief if it was only this season were sh*t under rafa but how do you explain the previous years, i suppose that was all david moores fault.

come on lad wake up and smell the coffee

lets say we get the owners out, is that going to make rafa suddenly change his stubborn approach to a system that fails year after year in the league, no it isnt so whats the point in getting the owners out.

really do you honestly believe this is down to the owners

by **lakes10** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:09 am

I did not post much after last nights game as i know what ever i said would have just been shouted down by the pro Rafa lot.

I just sat around peed off all night, i had my mate over, My wife had a go at me for not talking much.

I was not just the game that had wound me up as i had already had a bad day.

As for the forum, it seems as time moves on more members are starting to see thar Rafa is not the man for the job.

if i posted "Even if we win the CL we should still get a new manager" you would get members saying how could you sack a manager that just won the CL, i say easy, he has done nothing in the prem for 4 years, day in day out we are poor and the only time we look any good is when he sets a team out to win a game in CL.

Its too late to show us something new now Rafa, your time is up.

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