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by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:44 pm

Moores couldn't compete with Newcastle, yet we finish above them year in year out. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me the difference between Newcastle (outspending us yet finishing below us) and us being unable to finish above Chelsea and United (who also outspend us.)

by **nobybob** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:54 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Moores couldn't compete with Newcastle, yet we finish above them year in year out. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me the difference between Newcastle (outspending us yet finishing below us) and us being unable to finish above Chelsea and United (who also outspend us.)

because to finish high in the league takes money and a good manager Newcastle only had the cash

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:00 pm

So apparently we only have the manager despite spending millions and millions

by **nobybob** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:00 pm

wenger is to a large extent the exception to the rule and has overall done well with the cash he has spent

by **nobybob** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:03 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:So apparently we only have the manager despite spending millions and millions

Its the net spend that has hurt rafa in order to strengthen one position he has had to sell at another and also to get the really word class players you need to spend the £20 or £30 million just on one player not four or five and we have never been able to afford that.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:09 pm

How about the sh!t down the road from us, mainly Everton. Moyes has spent next to nothing, but have performed above expectations. So I don't think money really does come into it. It comes down to the manager. Ours isn't good enough.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:16 pm

Net spend or not, it's still a squad that cost between 100-200 million.

Who would we of kept that Benitez has sold? Didi Hamman maybe, but even he we wouldn't of kept. Look at the other sides around us, United constantly sell their best players, Robson, Hughes, Keane, Beckham, Van Nistlerooy but still win titles. Arsenal sell Henry and are top of the league. Chelsea have sold their better players like Gallas and Robben. So these clubs are selling their better players, yet still improving. We're selling our worst players and going backwards, somehow that doesn't add up to me.

by **nobybob** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:17 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:How about the sh!t down the road from us, mainly Everton. Moyes has spent next to nothing, but have performed above expectations. So I don't think money really does come into it. It comes down to the manager. Ours isn't good enough.

by this reasoning moyes must be a good manager hmmm when was the last time he won anything. did he win the CL the fa the league cup recently. Maybe just maybe its because the bitters have not got on his case and have given him time to build a team capable of competing, If moyes had been managing us the last few years would our supporters have put up with his results?-don't think so he would have been long gone!

by **nobybob** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:19 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Net spend or not, it's still a squad that cost between 100-200 million.

Who would we of kept that Benitez has sold? Didi Hamman maybe, but even he we wouldn't of kept. Look at the other sides around us, United constantly sell their best players, Robson, Hughes, Keane, Beckham, Van Nistlerooy but still win titles. Arsenal sell Henry and are top of the league. Chelsea have sold their better players like Gallas and Robben. So these clubs are selling their better players, yet still improving. We're selling our worst players and going backwards, somehow that doesn't add up to me.

cos they can sell and then spend £80 million on 3 players WE CANT we would only have half a team

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:22 pm

You keep referring to time. 4 years is enough time.

Also Moyes has been managing a side where expectations were lower to mid table. Now because he's raised the expectations, the Everton fans will expect European football year in year out, and he's achieving that. Benitez is managing a club who's expectations is to win the league, he isn't. Moyes performs to expecatations, Benitez isn't so we need to change.

by **Big Niall** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:24 pm

There is no doubt that Moyes has done a very good job. However, that is no guarantee that he would have won trophies if given big money. I remember Mike Walker did a fantastic job at Norwich (beat Bayarn munich in UEFA cup after finishing second or third the year before), was given a lot of money at Everton and was terrible.

Moyes MIGHT just be a great manager at a top 10 type club - there is no way of knowing how he'd do if given £100m.

However, his team might finish above us for the second time in four seasons which would be astonishing considering the money difference.

Winning cups in nice but the league is what counts.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:24 pm

nobybob wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Net spend or not, it's still a squad that cost between 100-200 million.

Who would we of kept that Benitez has sold? Didi Hamman maybe, but even he we wouldn't of kept. Look at the other sides around us, United constantly sell their best players, Robson, Hughes, Keane, Beckham, Van Nistlerooy but still win titles. Arsenal sell Henry and are top of the league. Chelsea have sold their better players like Gallas and Robben. So these clubs are selling their better players, yet still improving. We're selling our worst players and going backwards, somehow that doesn't add up to me.

cos they can sell and then spend £80 million on 3 players WE CANT we would only have half a team

So you're telling me that if we wanted we couldn't afford 80 million without losing half the squad. Of course we could afford it. We're Liverpool Football Club. Our name around the world alone could afford 60 million.

by **nobybob** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:25 pm

You keep referring to time. 4 years is enough time.

WHEN?

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:27 pm

Big Niall wrote:There is no doubt that Moyes has done a very good job. However, that is no guarantee that he would have won trophies if given big money. I remember Mike Walker did a fantastic job at Norwich (beat Bayarn munich in UEFA cup after finishing second or third the year before), was given a lot of money at Everton and was terrible.

Moyes MIGHT just be a great manager at a top 10 type club - there is no way of knowing how he'd do if given £100m.

However, his team might finish above us for the second time in four seasons which would be astonishing considering the money difference.

Winning cups in nice but the league is what counts.

Well with the money Moyes has been given he's spent it wisely. I'd be more willing to trust Moyes with 100 million than Benitez.

by **nobybob** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:27 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
nobybob wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Net spend or not, it's still a squad that cost between 100-200 million.

Who would we of kept that Benitez has sold? Didi Hamman maybe, but even he we wouldn't of kept. Look at the other sides around us, United constantly sell their best players, Robson, Hughes, Keane, Beckham, Van Nistlerooy but still win titles. Arsenal sell Henry and are top of the league. Chelsea have sold their better players like Gallas and Robben. So these clubs are selling their better players, yet still improving. We're selling our worst players and going backwards, somehow that doesn't add up to me.

cos they can sell and then spend £80 million on 3 players WE CANT we would only have half a team

So you're telling me that if we wanted we couldn't afford 80 million without losing half the squad. Of course we could afford it. We're Liverpool Football Club. Our name around the world alone could afford 60 million.

sorry m8 what has our name around the world got to do with us having 60 million to spend on a couple of players ??

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