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Igor Zidane wrote:

Kharhaz wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:£60 million in pledges after 4 days is a great start . Lets keep it going and see where we get.

I dont think it is, considering the fanbase LFC have in four days just over 10,000 have pledged. That is pretty pathetic, that is not being negative, its a fact. There are many supporters out there with money, famous people also who could contribute a lot and make it move more forward but they wont because opinion is divided. Whatever amount is raised will not be enough, the reason why Liverpool FC are unique is the fact that they are supported by the working class, dont have enough money but always find it to turn up at anfield. The only way around this is to get people to take over the club who do have money, and that is not the majority of supporters. They are businessmen/women. People born with a silver spoon in the mouth, and Liverpool supporters are not famous for that, they are famous for there staunch support to LFC. I dont condemn what you are doing but it will never happen. Like I said opinion is divided, what one person thinks is right another person thinks is wrong.

What point are you trying to make then .You don't condemn what were doing , that's good of yer ,i'll sleep better tonight. Listen i'll try and explain this one more time shall i . In my opinion this is by far the most important time in the history of LFC . This is more important than rafa ,than winning the league ,than winning the champions league . This is about the future of our club . It's about wether you want to be lied to ,to be taken for every penny in the name of the club , it's about wether your willing to risk us ending up like leeds utd . It's even more important than rotation. DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT WE THINK THIS IS?

peewee wrote:

nobybob wrote:

peewee wrote:

Effes wrote:I think everyone, including you?, want them out.

not really mate, i can take them or leave them, i am more concerned about whats happening on the pitch.



as for the loan, i understand how these things work so i am not too concerned about that either.

i have said many times that when the owners actually let us down then i will worry about them, until then i am more concerned about our football and the fact that this whole buy out thing shows us to be hypocrites and is turning our club into a laughing stock, its not the owners doing that, its the people who thought that this crazy idea would ever bring us anything other than ridicule.

i appreciate others have different views on this mate and i respect that, my view is just different. if it works all credit to those who stuck their neck out

god help us all when so called fans are this naive

not really mate, i can take them or leave them, i am more concerned about whats happening on the pitch.

do you really think the 2 are not linked, it is G&H that have caused all the problems and instability.

personally i didn't buy into the medias attempt to cause instability by having a go at them, i support them 100% in their spat with benitez, as far as i am concerned that was caused by rafa thinking he could bully the owners and he got his wrist slapped as a result.

LOL bully the owners -he let the world know that they would were not all they made out to be and had not put money in the club and invested for its future all they wanted to milk us for all they could. also they told RAFA that he could not SELL or BUY even on a bossman in other words stopped him from doing his job you really expect him to just say yeah OK and keep his mouth shut. RAFA has always been completely dedicated to LFC and only wants the best for us , and for this crime G&H went behind his back and tried to get fu.kin klinsman  to manage our great club, yet you back these scum yank parasites in this ?- shame on you

And you think its NORMAL business practice to lie about investing and not putting debts onto the club? If Moore's Had gone out and got a loan off the banks for 300million then that money could have been used to get us a boss stadium and invest in world class players but he did not want to burden the club with debt so he looked for people with money to invest. In stepped the yanks promising the earth , they went out got the loan used it to buy the club then used the club as collateral  , so now we don't have the money to build our new stadium and we don't have our money for world class players  but we have paid for the parasites to buy our club and now have the 300million debt. think about it and then tell us all again how you back G&H. "when the owners let us down you will start worrying you say " well guess what NOW is the time to start!
Face it you will just back anyone or anything that is against RAFA!

naive, ha dont make me laugh mate, been there and done that etc and work in finance (back in after a couple of years away)

i understand the complexities surrounding such a deal and also understand the problems this will raise.

the people going into this are the very same people supporting rafa with his bad management, that to me speaks volumes.

as for the owners being to blame for the problems on the pitch, well thats just utter tosh mate and you know it but you are not prepared to say it. and like i have said before if rafa is letting whats happening off the pitch affect whats happening on the pitch well thats just another sign of his poor management, next you will be tell me hicks ordered rafa to play lucas on the left last week. i suppose the previous poor finishes in the league under rafa was down to moores ownership as well. the mancs have american owners the fans didnt want and they are really struggling haha. the fact is rafa is letting this club down, like it or not.


do you really think hounding the owners out will change whats happening on the pitch? are you suggesting rafa is picking teams to force the owners out? if thats the case he is taking the p*ss out of us all. or shall we just go with the fact that even with new owners the stubborn rafa will carry on as he is ruining the footballing side of our club,

too many people are looking for blame elsewhere than where the real problem lies. lets get the football side right first, its too easy to make the owners scapegoats for the failings of the precious rafa.

and you call me naive   

Kharhaz wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:

Kharhaz wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:£60 million in pledges after 4 days is a great start . Lets keep it going and see where we get.

I dont think it is, considering the fanbase LFC have in four days just over 10,000 have pledged. That is pretty pathetic, that is not being negative, its a fact. There are many supporters out there with money, famous people also who could contribute a lot and make it move more forward but they wont because opinion is divided. Whatever amount is raised will not be enough, the reason why Liverpool FC are unique is the fact that they are supported by the working class, dont have enough money but always find it to turn up at anfield. The only way around this is to get people to take over the club who do have money, and that is not the majority of supporters. They are businessmen/women. People born with a silver spoon in the mouth, and Liverpool supporters are not famous for that, they are famous for there staunch support to LFC. I dont condemn what you are doing but it will never happen. Like I said opinion is divided, what one person thinks is right another person thinks is wrong.

What point are you trying to make then .You don't condemn what were doing , that's good of yer ,i'll sleep better tonight. Listen i'll try and explain this one more time shall i . In my opinion this is by far the most important time in the history of LFC . This is more important than rafa ,than winning the league ,than winning the champions league . This is about the future of our club . It's about wether you want to be lied to ,to be taken for every penny in the name of the club , it's about wether your willing to risk us ending up like leeds utd . It's even more important than rotation. DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT WE THINK THIS IS?

Yes I do, of course I do, I am of the opinion though is thats its not as bad as people make out it is. How about continuing with the funding but not to take over the club but a "Administration Avoider" fund, in case the yanks dont deliver. To me it just doesnt make sense that they would fund a club only to be short changed, they have every intention of making money but to do that the club has to be successful on the pitch. The club are in debt yes but the new stadium will be built, new players will be brought in. I just feel an over reaction of many fans are clouding over the fact that the team isnt performing on the pitch and the yanks are at blame for everything.

Kharhaz wrote:To do my research I would need to look at the books of LFC and not some figure the journalists raise so in that case im at a loss.

nobybob wrote:

peewee wrote:

nobybob wrote:

peewee wrote:

Effes wrote:I think everyone, including you?, want them out.

not really mate, i can take them or leave them, i am more concerned about whats happening on the pitch.



as for the loan, i understand how these things work so i am not too concerned about that either.

i have said many times that when the owners actually let us down then i will worry about them, until then i am more concerned about our football and the fact that this whole buy out thing shows us to be hypocrites and is turning our club into a laughing stock, its not the owners doing that, its the people who thought that this crazy idea would ever bring us anything other than ridicule.

i appreciate others have different views on this mate and i respect that, my view is just different. if it works all credit to those who stuck their neck out

god help us all when so called fans are this naive

not really mate, i can take them or leave them, i am more concerned about whats happening on the pitch.

do you really think the 2 are not linked, it is G&H that have caused all the problems and instability.

personally i didn't buy into the medias attempt to cause instability by having a go at them, i support them 100% in their spat with benitez, as far as i am concerned that was caused by rafa thinking he could bully the owners and he got his wrist slapped as a result.

LOL bully the owners -he let the world know that they would were not all they made out to be and had not put money in the club and invested for its future all they wanted to milk us for all they could. also they told RAFA that he could not SELL or BUY even on a bossman in other words stopped him from doing his job you really expect him to just say yeah OK and keep his mouth shut. RAFA has always been completely dedicated to LFC and only wants the best for us , and for this crime G&H went behind his back and tried to get fu.kin klinsman  to manage our great club, yet you back these scum yank parasites in this ?- shame on you

And you think its NORMAL business practice to lie about investing and not putting debts onto the club? If Moore's Had gone out and got a loan off the banks for 300million then that money could have been used to get us a boss stadium and invest in world class players but he did not want to burden the club with debt so he looked for people with money to invest. In stepped the yanks promising the earth , they went out got the loan used it to buy the club then used the club as collateral  , so now we don't have the money to build our new stadium and we don't have our money for world class players  but we have paid for the parasites to buy our club and now have the 300million debt. think about it and then tell us all again how you back G&H. "when the owners let us down you will start worrying you say " well guess what NOW is the time to start!
Face it you will just back anyone or anything that is against RAFA!

naive, ha dont make me laugh mate, been there and done that etc and work in finance (back in after a couple of years away)

i understand the complexities surrounding such a deal and also understand the problems this will raise.

the people going into this are the very same people supporting rafa with his bad management, that to me speaks volumes.

as for the owners being to blame for the problems on the pitch, well thats just utter tosh mate and you know it but you are not prepared to say it. and like i have said before if rafa is letting whats happening off the pitch affect whats happening on the pitch well thats just another sign of his poor management, next you will be tell me hicks ordered rafa to play lucas on the left last week. i suppose the previous poor finishes in the league under rafa was down to moores ownership as well. the mancs have american owners the fans didnt want and they are really struggling haha. the fact is rafa is letting this club down, like it or not.


do you really think hounding the owners out will change whats happening on the pitch? are you suggesting rafa is picking teams to force the owners out? if thats the case he is taking the p*ss out of us all. or shall we just go with the fact that even with new owners the stubborn rafa will carry on as he is ruining the footballing side of our club,

too many people are looking for blame elsewhere than where the real problem lies. lets get the football side right first, its too easy to make the owners scapegoats for the failings of the precious rafa.

and you call me naive   

Yet again you go on about RAFA !!   why don't you address the points i made about G&H Specifically .You say that you understand the complexities of such a deal so please explain them to us ignorant fools who think the deal was bad news for us. It would be a great help if you actually read the points i made about the G&H deal and gave me an answer to them ONE BY ONE.

I would then be more than willing to discuss rafa and any miss-givings you have about him. In the meanwhile your approach would be like a doctor being given a patient from a major RTA who is quite obviously bleeding to death , and treating him for the bad cough he has first.

I am very interested to see if you are willing to address my points or as i suspect you avoid answering them and just babble on about rafa again !!

PS what has the fact that the mancs have American owners and are doing okay got to do with our situation? all yanks are not the same and you would be foolish to think so. Just cos i want some wealthy Arabs (namely DIC) to come in does not mean i would be happy if fu.kin osama bin laden wanted to own us!!

Igor Zidane wrote:

Kharhaz wrote:To do my research I would need to look at the books of LFC and not some figure the journalists raise so in that case im at a loss.

Alright ,fair enough , you don't want to listen ,stick to yer guns then mate.

Kharhaz wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:

Kharhaz wrote:To do my research I would need to look at the books of LFC and not some figure the journalists raise so in that case im at a loss.

Alright ,fair enough , you don't want to listen ,stick to yer guns then mate.

Respect to you Igor, you stand for what you believe in as much as I have stuck to what i believe, I can only hope a good future lies in wait for our club.

nobybob wrote:

so you want me to address your points one by one, there is no need mate, my feelings are made clear above and if you dont understand the simplicity of that then i cant help you mate.

as i suspected you did not answer my points about the G&H deal just skirted round them  and babbled on about rafa again -SAD

my answers about G&H are all above, i dont have the inclination to answer your points one by one, it is obvious from what i have written above what my feelings are on the subject and you requiring me to put them in bullet form for the hard of thinking mate is just showing that you have nowhere else to go with this dispute.

if anyone else comes in this thread and tells me that my stance and opinions are not obvious then i will reconsider explaining it further, but i thought i wrote it so a three year old could fully understand, but then again I didnt make allowances for you     

i babbled on about rafa as thats where the problem lies, why would i babble on about someone else when they are not to blame?


jeez louise         get someone to explain my thoughts to you mate, its crystal clear

nobybob wrote:

OK so to cut a long story short, the owners backed rafa in the transfer market, the owners are still going ahead with the new stadium, the owners told a petulant rafa to concentrate on football (a long overdue telling off in my opinion) and the owners did what is normal in business and took out a loan.

"they backed him in the transfer market you say" --well lets see if i remember rightly they told rafa he could not sell or buy EVEN ON A BOSSMAN at one point.
"going ahead with the stadium"-- What you mean is they announced this fantastic stadium we were to have to the whole world only to say months later we cant afford it. Eventually they acquired another loan (which they put on the clubs back ) that is enough to start building but we need another 300 million to finish it--WOW
"they told a petulant RAFA to concentrate on coaching"--- timescale slightly wrong there , they went behind Rafa's back to get fu.kin KLINSMAN to manage us i say again fu.kin KLINSMAN then rafa came out and let the world know what these two yank were up to.
So you see your arguments just don't hold up  SHALL I EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE SLOWER FOR YOU?