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by **Emerald Red** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:13 am

Opinions. Opinions.

That's the trouble with the World, see - everyone's got a different idea concerning what they want out of life.

by **Ciggy** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:52 am

No CL next season means those that joined us to play in it will leave, players who want to play in it will not come.

I know Rafa doesnt care anymore because he is going anyway, but he says he loves the fans if he does then why isnt he dropping players who arnt giving 100% the ressies will have more passion and fight than some of the current squad.

Rafa was under enourmous pressure this season to get closer to the top teams and for us to still be in with a shout of the title.

We got the players in he wanted apart from Heinze we lost out on the title at Portsmouth & Birmingham at home dropping Gerrard and Torres, it finally ended against Reading but I will let him off with that as he was out of a job if we didnt qualify for the CL.

He is in a strange country with no owners present they are a million miles away no one is running the club at present Foster Gillette has buggered off back to canada, Parry is not exactly a man that fills you with confidence either.
Knowing he was aware of the Klinsmann meeting how can Rafa trust him again?

How can Rafa trust the owners again?

None of us trust them.

Who is going to get us out of this mess?

The fans have give him 100% support with marching for him, singing his name every game.

What are the fans getting back?

Dross sterile performances, lack lustre, no passion for the shirt, leaking goals like a seive, toothless in attack without Torres.

10 draws 3 defeats in the prem 7th in the league by the time we play Sunderland tommorrow we could be 8th.

There has been millions spent on this team millions, and we look like Newcastle.

Its now time that Rafa got a grip of these players and tells them that the performances they have been putting in are shambolic.

And he needs to stick with a settled side so we can try and climb back up the table.

This club needs CL football for the huge loans that the fans will have to pay.

Them two tw@ts need to get over here and sharpish and sort this mess out and calm everyone down before things spiral completly out of control not that things arnt out of control as it is.

The players need to get some focus back on the pitch and not wonder who the new manager is and throwing tantrums like spoilt kids shaking heads when a fellow team mate is coming on Gerrard and Carragher whats that all about?
They want to hang their heads in shame.

Ive nearly been on the point of a nervous breakdown with all this sh!t the players? Narr Harry Kewell laughin and jokin with Lucas Neill after the whistle when we had just got beat proves that only the fans care about the results and it hurts when they dont care.

After a game when we have been beaten or another boring goaless draw go into town to the Newz bar or around the Albert Dock you see the players *not the spanish ones* having a feckin ball p!ssed and not looking like they have a care in the world.

They need to have a long hard good look at themselves and when they are drawing their money out of a cash machine they need to realise who is paying them them obsene amounts of money and give something fuckin back.

Its disgusting

by **The_Rock** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:58 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:I take it that "being a man" means following the crowd and not standing up for what you believe in?

Because you can keep it if that's it.

I wonder how many of our ex-players were this gutless?

Lando, you sick freak..... you ain't a man. You are a HO.

Always getting mad for no reason.... So why are you so mad today ? Did you break your finger nails ? bad hair day ? you were ejected from the blue oyster bar ?

by **dawson99** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:18 am

i love having days off then coming back to the fun. a fan does not have to agree with everyting the club does. a fan does have to support the club tho to the best of his/her ability.

a fan can, however, air grievances about the club/manager/player.

doesnt make you a coward if you disagre with others

if players leave due to rafa then its the players who are in the wrong. we are liverpool fc, not like ciggy says rafa fc

and it'll turn out ok, we'll get 4th. then in the summer things will change for better or worse, but any change right now seems better

by **LittleHobo** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:32 am

lando - the most deluded poster of them all

this thread is more evidence towards this title

by **The_Rock** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:36 am

Ciggy wrote:The players need to get some focus back on the pitch and not wonder who the new manager is and throwing tantrums like spoilt kids shaking heads when a fellow team mate is coming on Gerrard and Carragher whats that all about?
They want to hang their heads in shame.

Like it or not...player power is to stay in modern day football..... Every big club in this country has this custom so why should we be different. You want your 20 million for a world class player..? then you have to accept that these players are gonna have a bigger say in the club. I wouldn't be suprised if torres also displays this in the near future...

Also think you have to give Gerrard and Carra some credit.... they have given their whole footballing career to this club.. and when rafa keeps making bewildering substitutions/decisions match after match after match....i am amazed they didn't show their displesure earlier....

Its all good and jolly asking the players to give 100%...but the manager must give 100% too. He can't be partial. I said it before and i say it again. Rafa shows favourism to some players... And this clouds his judgement....he isn't giving his 100%.

From what i can gather from my source, carra and gerrard were shocked when they saw lucas coming on instead of crouch. They were even more shocked to see that kuyt wasn't the player who was to be substituted...

So you see....its not only us...the anti-rotations who are bewildered with rafa.... Our world class players too....

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:09 am

The_Rock wrote:
Ciggy wrote:The players need to get some focus back on the pitch and not wonder who the new manager is and throwing tantrums like spoilt kids shaking heads when a fellow team mate is coming on Gerrard and Carragher whats that all about?
They want to hang their heads in shame.

Like it or not...player power is to stay in modern day football..... Every big club in this country has this custom so why should we be different. You want your 20 million for a world class player..? then you have to accept that these players are gonna have a bigger say in the club. I wouldn't be suprised if torres also displays this in the near future...

Also think you have to give Gerrard and Carra some credit.... they have given their whole footballing career to this club.. and when rafa keeps making bewildering substitutions/decisions match after match after match....i am amazed they didn't show their displesure earlier....

Its all good and jolly asking the players to give 100%...but the manager must give 100% too. He can't be partial. I said it before and i say it again. Rafa shows favourism to some players... And this clouds his judgement....he isn't giving his 100%.

From what i can gather from my source, carra and gerrard were shocked when they saw lucas coming on instead of crouch. They were even more shocked to see that kuyt wasn't the player who was to be substituted...

So you see....its not only us...the anti-rotations who are bewildered with rafa.... Our world class players too....

World class players should learn to keep their mouths shut, just like the rest. It's not their place to question the manager and his tactics on the field. I agree that crouch should have come on but Lucas was also right choice because we were being overrun in the middle. I think that any other serious manager would have dropped Carra and Gerrard for a few matches for that sh!t.

by **Ciggy** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:14 am

The_Rock wrote:Also think you have to give Gerrard and Carra some credit.... they have given their whole footballing career to this club.. and when rafa keeps making bewildering substitutions/decisions match after match after match....i am amazed they didn't show their displesure earlier....

Can you imagine how the kid feels seeing the person who he looks up to as captain and his idol shake his head when he was coming on the pitch.

by **66-1112520797** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:23 am

You're really starting to act like a c*nt, you know?

Nah Lando it you whose acting like the kunt.

by **66-1112520797** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:24 am

s@int wrote:Boll0x. This is a football forum not a girls cheerleading society. We are supposed to voice our opinions not quote "in rafa we trust". If something is wrong we are supposed to give our views on what we think is wrong, not shut our eyes and shout loudly in the vain hope it will go away.

If a player plays bad I will say he has had a bad game, if the manager does something I don't like I will say so. That is what this forum is for, to exchange ideas and thoughts about our players and our club.

Funny how some people don't seem to support our captain and best player quite so vigorously? Or maybe the rules only apply to players and managers that they like? You can't have it both ways you see

That is your idea of being a supporter not mine. So why should I or anyone else follow your idea and not their own. I believe we should all be free to speak our minds, and if we think someone elses point of view is wrong explain why, not try and shout them down because they don't reach your elevated level of support.

Who the f*ck gave you the right to tell other supporters how to support their club anyway. Its time you got off your high horse mate, accepted that others have views just as valid if different to yours and stopped trying to badger everyone into supporting the Lando view of life. If someone wants Rafa out thats their view if you don't like it.... tough. Get over it and try to explain that they are wrong.

We come on here to support the team, that doesn't mean we arn't allowed to mention problems it just means we support Liverpool even though they have problems.

Thats my idea of being a supporter , but feel free to believe what you will , thats my idea as well

BTW thats a good post there Saint.

I like the ironic bit about supporting our captain, I think Lando should think before he posts, as again hes made himself to look like a real p.ratt.

by **nobybob** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:52 am

s@int wrote:Boll0x. This is a football forum not a girls cheerleading society. We are supposed to voice our opinions not quote "in rafa we trust". If something is wrong we are supposed to give our views on what we think is wrong, not shut our eyes and shout loudly in the vain hope it will go away.

If a player plays bad I will say he has had a bad game, if the manager does something I don't like I will say so. That is what this forum is for, to exchange ideas and thoughts about our players and our club.

Funny how some people don't seem to support our captain and best player quite so vigorously? Or maybe the rules only apply to players and managers that they like? You can't have it both ways you see

That is your idea of being a supporter not mine. So why should I or anyone else follow your idea and not their own. I believe we should all be free to speak our minds, and if we think someone elses point of view is wrong explain why, not try and shout them down because they don't reach your elevated level of support.

Who the f*ck gave you the right to tell other supporters how to support their club anyway. Its time you got off your high horse mate, accepted that others have views just as valid if different to yours and stopped trying to badger everyone into supporting the Lando view of life. If someone wants Rafa out thats their view if you don't like it.... tough. Get over it and try to explain that they are wrong.

We come on here to support the team, that doesn't mean we arn't allowed to mention problems it just means we support Liverpool even though they have problems.

That's my idea of being a supporter , but feel free to believe what you will , that's my idea as well

Just thought id post some of the actual definitions of SUPPORT from the dictionary. I have looked real hard to try to find a few words such as -CRITASISE,- SNIPE,- BACKSTAB,- UNDERMINE,- MOAN,- in fact any negative terms at all and guess what , i cant find any. Please read the definitions below and then realise this club is facing the biggest threat to its well being in recent history with whats happening owner wise. i have said it before and i say it again "it is in the bad times that support is needed not in the good times the glory days" and lets face it , it don't get much worse than this. Do you fellas not realise that this is not the time for getting on RAFAS back, read the sons of shanks thread and realise how this just en powers G&H all the more.Lando is one of the few guys on here that looks at the big picture and says it as he sees it. If you disagree with RAFA fine, if you want him out fine that's your opinion and you are free to express it but please JUST NOT NOW !!! Now is the time we all need to pull together to recognise the real threat and deal with it, and that is not the man who may or may not ( according to your opinion) ever win us the premier to go with the C.L- FA -UEFA, etc. its not even about the performances of the team at the mo, that can be addressed in the future. What are we doing here?? we are attacking each other we are pulling the club apart, some blame the players ,some blame Rafa and his tactics ,some blame G&H but surely we must take some of this blame. Please this has to stop now it just gives sustenance to two yanks who sit smugly across the Atlantic and cant believe the get out of jail card we are giving them with all this in fighting. Please read the definitions bellow lads and think again.

(1)give assistance or comfort: to give assistance or comfort to somebody in difficulty or distress

(2)help in crisis: the encouragement and help somebody gets from others, for example friends, family, and charitable organizations, especially during times of crisis and change. It may be emotional, moral, or practical.

(3)active assistance or encouragement: active assistance and encouragement to, or an approving and encouraging attitude towards, somebody or something

(4)be present and give encouragement: to give encouragement to somebody or something by being present at an event

by **JohnBull** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:02 am

This is really getting a bit stupid when supporters are slagged off for wanting a winning side.

I was born a red a long long time ago and I've sat through the great times and a good few sad times. I want what's best for Liverpool Football Club, not what's best for Raffa, Stevie, Torres or whoever. It is not those people who make up this club, it's the WHOLE package. Players, management, supporters, groundstaff, even the girl who makes the tea !

When I see a member of the team making no effort to respect the soul of my club and failing to learn from endless mistakes I start to get pyssed off. Raffa has not bought ONE players who has improved under his leadership, in fact the trend appears to be the opposite and those who showed promise at first were soon marked as average.
Like any team situation you are as good as your weakest link. It doesn't matter if you are setting bricks, selling ice cream or playing football, if the hardest working members of the team are having to carry the same deadwood week after week it will cause unrest.
For some reason Raffa seems to feel that it is OK for players to play themselves back into form in Premiership games. This just doesn't make sense. The game is about good habits and losing or drawing game after game is not one of them.

No matter how you feel about Raffa no one can possibly justify his team selections or some of his tactical formations. There are players being picked who I wouldn't let on the pitch with a lawnmower. Kuyt obviously cares about his performance but is shell shocked after so many nightmare games, Kewell couldn't give a F as long as he's on the money, Alonso's lost interest in making passes because he knows nothing's going to happen. You can go on and on.
I can't believe that Raffa is doing this on purpose so you are left with the conclusion that he's just not good enough to do the job.
Parry and Moores have shown their true colours and we are lumbered with these parasites from the good old US of A who have obviously slipped a good few brown envelopes to get into this position. I feel that we'll regret that bit of skullduggery for a long time.

So there you have it Lando. I've slagged off some players, the management and the boardroom. Does that mean I'm not a Liverpool supporter ? I don't think so !
Over the years I've supported this club the bar has been raised by the team many times and there are standards we should always expect. There are some players who aspire to these heights but who are being let down by a the carpetbaggers who are along for the ride. Well I helped pay for that ride many times over and if I think someone's mugging me, I'll say so. Half of this crew will be sunnying themselves in distant lands in 10 years. Please God I'll still be here SUPPORTING MY CLUB !

by **Ciggy** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:03 am

But its pathetic that the In Rafa We Trust brigade say feckall about the sh!t performances that have been served up the best part of this season.

Are we all supposed to be happy that we are sitting 7th in the league?

Are we supposed to just say In Rafa We Trust?

The blame cannot be placed on one person or group.

It is the owners fault.

It is Benitez's fault.

It is the players fault.

They have all played their part in what is going on right now.

by **66-1112520797** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:04 am

Also think you have to give Gerrard and Carra some credit.... they have given their whole footballing career to this club.. and when rafa keeps making bewildering substitutions/decisions match after match after match....i am amazed they didn't show their displesure earlier....

Have to say with Gerrard questioning and ignoring the managers decision is as just as undermining as what the Yanks have done to Rafa. By all means as captain question or ask about Rafa's decisions in training but on the pitch in public like that is disrespectful, and shows a lack of respect. If I were Rafa I'd drop Gerrard I think, put him right back in his place, I wouldnt play him against Sunderland. But that would cause even more unrest no doubt in the dressing room and towards Rafa.

I dont think Rafa's done certain things right, and I've often blamed him for poor results, but I do acknowledge when the players havent performed, as they did against West Ham. Mind you picking Kuyt again is getting quite nauseating for me, and I dont think Aurelio is a very good defender, neat on the ball yes, but thats not what I'd want from a full back.

by **NANNY RED** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:07 am

I can understand your passion about the club Lando but as for other people voicing there opinions disagreeing with some of the goings on,Raffa and the team i think your wrong mate.

Fans have argued for years, in pubs after the game,at the match,with your mates no one agrees on everything.

I have been going the match for 40 years and have argued week in week out with other people about how rubbish this or that player is one of my biggest arguments was i didnt rate Toshack but that was my opinion others loved him , and thats what being a football fan is about youll never all agree with each other.

I am one of Raffas biggest supporters and ive said before as long as hes our manager that will carry on but what ive witnessed on the field lately makes me question whats going on with him and the players, At Upton Park the other night them players were a disgrace no fire in the belly they were gutless and as a paying fan i have a right to critise them.
If you bought something in a shop and it wasnt working properly what do you do you take it back well some of these players should be taken back and reminded who there playing for.

Theres gonna be disagreements and it wont end but it doesnt make you any less of a supporter we all want whats best for the club end of

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