Maybe its time for rafa to go ?

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Postby Igor Zidane » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:09 am

bigmick wrote:The time to assess things properly is at the end of the season obviously, but concerns are entirely legitmate as of now in my view. Clearly the situation behind the scenes is having an effect, but equally clearly we can't in all honesty go behind twice at home to a non-league team and seriously pretend it is anything other than an embarassment either. "At least we won", "we got the job done" and "we're in the draw for the next round" is all very well, but I have trouble taking seriously anybody who is sufficiently delusional to present the opinion that the peformance of the team in the first half was anything other than shambolic.

I've been saying for a little while now that in my opinion come the end of the season, the time will be right to move on as far as a new manager goes. The only provisio being that if Rafa's presence p!sses off the owners then I hope he stays for a good deal longer. From a purely football point of view though, the time has come. We've tried all the various theories, God knows we've tried, but ultimately they haven't worked. It is my profound belief that they never will in this country, and that we would be better served by a different manager. If he were available at the end of the season, I'm coming round the thinking that such is my desperation for a title challenge, I'd go for Mourinho.

Your right mick , assess at the end of the season would be best .Like i've already said ,i would stick with rafa . If rafa did get the boot in the summer though ,i personally couldn't bare the thought of Mourinho as the manager , just can't accept him mate. Feckin hell mate ,imagine him and hicks at the press conferance , they'd be killing one another for the microphone , feck me not another media whore. :D
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Postby Rockthekop » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:10 am

Mourinho is the man for the job, or maybe Klinsmann? :D  A lot of our fans are dead against the idea of having Mourinho as manager but personally I would welcome him with open arms.  I feel he's the man to turn this club around.
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Postby Reg » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:19 am

Bamaga man wrote:I think I'm coming to the conclusion that it maybe better if Rafa left Liverpool at the end of the season.

Firstly let me just put it out there that I despise G&H and what they've done at the club, and I think undermining Rafa like they did was disgraceful. I think I'd stick up for any manager who found himself in the same predicament as Rafa Benitez did. There is no doubt that since they've come in they've made life hell for the Spaniard, how is he supposed to work under those sort of conditions ?
Hicks has come out and said that they'll give him their full support and hope to try and build a bridge over this whole situation. Fact of the matter is the two Yanks and Rafa will never be in unison when it comes down to football and transfers alike. It wouldnt surprise me, and I wouldnt blame Rafa for holding a grudge against those two, and for that I just cannot see this matter being a good foundation to get Liverpool going again, they'll always be friction between the trio, then add Parry into the pot and there seems a recipe for disaster. I would like to see the Yanks go before Rafa does, but I cannot see this happening now.  :(

Good post however apart from Maureen I dont see a better manager available out there at the moment.

Second, why would a top manager want to come to LFC now - there's clearly no money to spend for 3-4 years, he'd be lumbered with Rafa's purchases and more importantly, if Rafa goes then Hicks has won and any manager coming in would be a whipping boy for this American w@nker.

Thats what I dont like and why Rafa has to stay, we dont need some mad american Ken Bates dictating what will and wont happen, Liverpool has never been run like that and if it was to happen then we may as well get Ken Dodd in as manager.

We backed Houllier, we acclaimed the Rafalution but a third time? Me thinkies not, the fans aren't stupid- the club will go back to sleep for another 7 years.

Difficult times but this is a power struggle and we have to put football first which means Rafa staying and ze yanks leaving.
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Postby NANNY RED » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:23 am

redtrader74 wrote:Things are falling apart, i'm at a loss as to what can be done right now to sort it out.

Red i think thats the sentiments of most people i speak to at the match were falling apart,

I dont want Rafa to go Bamaga cause in my heart i still believe hes the best man for the job you also have to lay some of the blame though at the players what motivation do these players need to play for LFC ,maybe im living in the past when players didnt need motivating to play for us they just got on and done what they did best play football,


Raffa is a top manager so what has made him become a bad one overnight personally i dont think he has , If he gets us to another CLF or the FA cup final which most football clubs would class that as a succses do we then let him go.
Or are we becoming that obsessed with winning the prem that nothing else matters.

You can look at yesterday against Havant he put a good side out that should of beat these comfortably i said in another thread that our youth team would of beaten these and im not being dissrepectful here but the passing and ball control in the first half was a joke, i dont think that was down to Raffa they are the supposed to be talented footballers.

I agree with Igor on this one wright this season off and start afresh next season with what i hope will be stability at the club then if we are not challenging on all fronts OK yes i will concede and say maybe its time to start looking elsewhere .

But my opinion is lets give him another season
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Postby metalhead » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:28 am

Good post Bamaga, good arguement.

However, I still don't buy that Benitez "not great motivator" stuff! He is a great motivator, he has done that in the last 3 seasons or so in many games (mostly big games), hell the players even produced a superb comeback to qualify to the round of 16 this season in the champions league, it shows great deal of motivation doesn't it not? I'll agree with you that maybe some of the players are just fed up, and hence it may cause them not to get motivated. However, I'll assess Rafa Benitez's season till the end because we are still in 2 trophies and we may end up winning them both and getting 4th place, who knows? :D


Let me ask this though, would mourinho win us the title in his first season though? I have my doubts, I don't think he will be able to win it, one of the main reason he fought with Roman because he wouldn't give him any money to get some quality players, so I don't think it will be any different if he came here.
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Postby Number 9 » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:31 am

I totally catagorically with every ounce of my very existance..DISAGREE!

So this is the way its gonna be ?

Fuc.king disgusted at the post and disgusted with the sheep...This is not LFC!

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Postby Toffeehater » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:35 am

metalhead wrote:Good post Bamaga, good arguement.

However, I still don't buy that Benitez "not great motivator" stuff! He is a great motivator, he has done that in the last 3 seasons or so in many games (mostly big games), hell the players even produced a superb comeback to qualify to the round of 16 this season in the champions league, it shows great deal of motivation doesn't it not? I'll agree with you that maybe some of the players are just fed up, and hence it may cause them not to get motivated. However, I'll assess Rafa Benitez's season till the end because we are still in 2 trophies and we may end up winning them both and getting 4th place, who knows? :D


Let me ask this though, would mourinho win us the title in his first season though? I have my doubts, I don't think he will be able to win it, one of the main reason he fought with Roman because he wouldn't give him any money to get some quality players, so I don't think it will be any different if he came here.

We're 2 different teams in the premier league and the champions league , in the champions league , the champions league is matter of what 12 games from qualifying stages to the final , the premier league is 38 games !!
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Postby Toffeehater » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:37 am

Number 9 wrote:I totally catagorically with every ounce of my very existance..DISAGREE!

So this is the way its gonna be ?

Fuc.king disgusted at the post and disgusted with the sheep...This is not LFC!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7K4jH7NqUw

Go on Jonny boy!

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then maybe ur the type of person that can't accept the truth , the truth hurts, open ur eyes mate we're 5th 12 points adrift from the leader and battling for 4th place , this is NOT LFC , LFC should be challenging for the premier league title but at the momnet 4th places seems like our best bet and only thing we can get this season. Chmapions league , i have faith in us and it would be a bonus
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Postby metalhead » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:40 am

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metalhead wrote:Good post Bamaga, good arguement.

However, I still don't buy that Benitez "not great motivator" stuff! He is a great motivator, he has done that in the last 3 seasons or so in many games (mostly big games), hell the players even produced a superb comeback to qualify to the round of 16 this season in the champions league, it shows great deal of motivation doesn't it not? I'll agree with you that maybe some of the players are just fed up, and hence it may cause them not to get motivated. However, I'll assess Rafa Benitez's season till the end because we are still in 2 trophies and we may end up winning them both and getting 4th place, who knows? :D


Let me ask this though, would mourinho win us the title in his first season though? I have my doubts, I don't think he will be able to win it, one of the main reason he fought with Roman because he wouldn't give him any money to get some quality players, so I don't think it will be any different if he came here.

We're 2 different teams in the premier league and the champions league , in the champions league , the champions league is matter of what 12 games from qualifying stages to the final , the premier league is 38 games !!

What about games in the premiership in the last 3 seasons we went 1-0 down but ended up winning the game, shows great deal of motivation, especially in Rafa's first season when basically Liverpool were called king of comebacks in both competitions.
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Postby Number 9 » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:48 am

Toffeehater wrote:
Number 9 wrote:I totally catagorically with every ounce of my very existance..DISAGREE!

So this is the way its gonna be ?

Fuc.king disgusted at the post and disgusted with the sheep...This is not LFC!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7K4jH7NqUw

Go on Jonny boy!

Keep a close watch on your hearts,soon you may not have one!

then maybe ur the type of person that can't accept the truth , the truth hurts, open ur eyes mate we're 5th 12 points adrift from the leader and battling for 4th place , this is NOT LFC , LFC should be challenging for the premier league title but at the momnet 4th places seems like our best bet and only thing we can get this season. Chmapions league , i have faith in us and it would be a bonus

Yeah then maybe your the type of person that listens to one radio interveiw and thinks all is rosy!

Go and fu.ck sheep!

Open your eyes and look at the broader picture,what has been done to Rafa is bang out of order and i for one stand behind the man with upmost respect and admiration!
He has spoken once about transfers and since then held a dignified silence when it was easy to speak out!

The most respectful man at LFC since Shankly,his conduct can not be faulted.2 out of 3 C/L finals is not bad either!

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Postby Toffeehater » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:52 am

metalhead wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
metalhead wrote:Good post Bamaga, good arguement.

However, I still don't buy that Benitez "not great motivator" stuff! He is a great motivator, he has done that in the last 3 seasons or so in many games (mostly big games), hell the players even produced a superb comeback to qualify to the round of 16 this season in the champions league, it shows great deal of motivation doesn't it not? I'll agree with you that maybe some of the players are just fed up, and hence it may cause them not to get motivated. However, I'll assess Rafa Benitez's season till the end because we are still in 2 trophies and we may end up winning them both and getting 4th place, who knows? :D


Let me ask this though, would mourinho win us the title in his first season though? I have my doubts, I don't think he will be able to win it, one of the main reason he fought with Roman because he wouldn't give him any money to get some quality players, so I don't think it will be any different if he came here.

We're 2 different teams in the premier league and the champions league , in the champions league , the champions league is matter of what 12 games from qualifying stages to the final , the premier league is 38 games !!

What about games in the premiership in the last 3 seasons we went 1-0 down but ended up winning the game, shows great deal of motivation, especially in Rafa's first season when basically Liverpool were called king of comebacks in both competitions.

hmm , how many times does that happen?? , how many times as our inability to tkae chances costed us this season??
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Postby account deleted by request » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:54 am

I think if we did get a new manager there is plenty money to be obtained from pruning the squad. We have plenty of players we could sell if necessary to raise funds for new players, so I don't think thats the problem. I just can't think of many managers who could replace Rafa, and if I was given the option at this moment in time I think I would opt for an assistant for him rather than a replacement, ask me again at the end of the season and I would probably go for Mourinho if things don't pick up.

Let me ask this though, would mourinho win us the title in his first season though

A better question might be will Benitez win us the title?

I don't believe are players are as bad as they have been playing, and I don't believe we are as far away from challenging as some seem to think, but we need them to start playing to their full potential, and I am no longer sure Rafa will ever get them to do that in the league.
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Postby Number 9 » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:55 am

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metalhead wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
metalhead wrote:Good post Bamaga, good arguement.

However, I still don't buy that Benitez "not great motivator" stuff! He is a great motivator, he has done that in the last 3 seasons or so in many games (mostly big games), hell the players even produced a superb comeback to qualify to the round of 16 this season in the champions league, it shows great deal of motivation doesn't it not? I'll agree with you that maybe some of the players are just fed up, and hence it may cause them not to get motivated. However, I'll assess Rafa Benitez's season till the end because we are still in 2 trophies and we may end up winning them both and getting 4th place, who knows? :D


Let me ask this though, would mourinho win us the title in his first season though? I have my doubts, I don't think he will be able to win it, one of the main reason he fought with Roman because he wouldn't give him any money to get some quality players, so I don't think it will be any different if he came here.

We're 2 different teams in the premier league and the champions league , in the champions league , the champions league is matter of what 12 games from qualifying stages to the final , the premier league is 38 games !!

What about games in the premiership in the last 3 seasons we went 1-0 down but ended up winning the game, shows great deal of motivation, especially in Rafa's first season when basically Liverpool were called king of comebacks in both competitions.

hmm , how many times does that happen?? , how many times as our inability to tkae chances costed us this season??

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Postby Toffeehater » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:56 am

Number 9 wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
Number 9 wrote:I totally catagorically with every ounce of my very existance..DISAGREE!

So this is the way its gonna be ?

Fuc.king disgusted at the post and disgusted with the sheep...This is not LFC!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7K4jH7NqUw

Go on Jonny boy!

Keep a close watch on your hearts,soon you may not have one!

then maybe ur the type of person that can't accept the truth , the truth hurts, open ur eyes mate we're 5th 12 points adrift from the leader and battling for 4th place , this is NOT LFC , LFC should be challenging for the premier league title but at the momnet 4th places seems like our best bet and only thing we can get this season. Chmapions league , i have faith in us and it would be a bonus

Yeah then maybe your the type of person that listens to one radio interveiw and thinks all is rosy!

Go and fu.ck sheep!

Open your eyes and look at the broader picture,what has been done to Rafa is bang out of order and i for one stand behind the man with upmost respect and admiration!
He has spoken once about transfers and since then held a dignified silence when it was easy to speak out!

The most respectful man at LFC since Shankly,his conduct can not be faulted.2 out of 3 C/L finals is not bad either!

Rafa knows the LFC way!

When did i say its rosy , i know the owners have been slating rafa ,  well u come on here and refuse to look at other views and when some1 gives another view different from ur's u curse at time . Wow u must really be mature , yes rafa has gotten us 2/3 champions league finals but look at our position in the league , so everytime we drop pints or some1 talks abt maybe its time for rafa to go , u gonna remind them of past achievements? we may be doing well in the european front or in cup competitions but in the league , we're still back where we were 4 years back , not much improvement and  we can't keep thinking that we are always gonna get that champions league spot , the league is improving compared to 10 years back , no longer are the top 4 so much more superior , now e are being challenged by the likes of villa , city , everton , the competition is getting stiffer
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Postby metalhead » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:57 am

so not taking our chances has to deal with Rafa not motivating the players? Players can be really motivated in a game but not take their chances because of their ability infront of goal. Kuyt can be motivated, but he may not score because his ability of not getting in the right places at the right time could make him not score any goals.
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