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by **Toffeehater** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:39 am

puroresu wrote:So no other manager out there could actually keep us in a title race? No other Manager could find better players than Kuyt, Crouch, Pennant for the money spent on them? Rafa aint infallible and has made some poor buys. U may say its down to lack of funds but to me its also down to poor judgment. Rafa seemed more than happy with his squad at the start of the season as did the fans yet 6 months later and suddenly more money needs to be spent. I agree that our squad isn't good enough but rafa has bought the players and has to live or die buy those decisions. The answer is not just to give him more money. Other questions need to be answered and I dont think Rafa can deliver us the title regardless if he got more money. We play too defensive under Rafa and it doesnt matter what players we have it will always be that way.

We all know that u don't like rafa mate so pls , and also since u put the question that way , how many managers can boast that they have led their clubs to 2 champions league finals with 3 years in charge and actually won 1 ?? not even ferguson , given that time span !!! Yes he has made some bad buys i agree , every manager has , chelsea , shevchenko , manure veron !! Pennant is a good player ,same as crouch and i feel he does not deserve to be labeled as one of the poor buys , play them more consistently as for crouch then we can assess whether he has been poor or not . 2 defensive under rafa?? 8-0 besiktas , 4-1 porto , yes the porto which knocked manure out , we are not too defensive , i dunno what games have u been watching , i have only seen us outplayed in 1 game this season and that was luton away , we have dominated teams like Manchester city , Chelsea , man utd , and yes i agree we haven't taken full advantage of our dominance and that is the reason why we are so far behind now , not that we are defensive but converting the chances

by **Toffeehater** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:40 am

Edited sorry double post

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:00 pm

Like someone had mentioned before, I think what Rafa needs is an assistant someone with close connections to the club. This must be a top priority in the summer.

by **heimdall** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:19 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
heimdall wrote:OK Here are some names of managers who would do better in the league than Rafa:

Ferguson
Wenger
Mouriniho
O'Neill
Ramos
Erikson

Just to name managers from the Prem league.

How you guys still have faith in Rafa is beyond comprehension. How you can you defend a manager who never promotes youth players to the squad despite the fact that they have won the youth cup twice and who also keeps playing Kuyt??

You post some absolute shi.te lad, but this is up there with the best.

Furgeson has been at United for twenty years and was given 7 I think until he won the Premiership. He is simply not available as a replacement end of.

Wenger has been backed to the hilt by the club to the extent that he is expected to becone the Director when he finishes managing. He made decisions on the training ground, stadium and youth set up that have come to fruition, HOWEVER - if Arsenal dont win the league or FA Cup this seson, a strong possiblity then it will be FOUR YEARS without winning FU.CK ALL. He is also not available as a replacement.

Mourinho - absolute c.unt of a man, but its possible (not guaranteed) that he would improve our chance of winning hte league. He is available.

O'Neill - Get a grip, Villa have won a few games and he is the right man for the job ? Fickle must be your middle name.

Ramos - For Fu.cks sake, if you think that Ramos (2 UEFA CUPS and 1 COPA DEL REY) has more chance of winning us the league than Rafa (2 SPANISH LEAGUE TITLES, 1 UEFA CUP, 1 CHAMPIONS LEAGUE and 1 FA CUP) then you are even more stupid than you look. He has managed to get Spurs to a league Cup Final in this country to date, Rafa did this in his first season.

Ericksonn - I just did a wee wee in my pants.

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How we have faith in Rafa, we dont know eaither, he has won nothing and proven completely useless as a manager, all he has done is get us a Champions LEague win, FA Cup win, most Premiership points we have ever had (AND that would have won hte league 3 out of 6 years before) and got us to the final of the Champions LEague again last season.

Never promotes Youth players even though they have won the kids FA Cup ? FU.CK ME YOU ARE A FU.CKING IDIOT. - take a look at the players in the last ten years of winning the FA Youth Cup and see how many play top class football now.

How did you become a mod because you have to be the rudest and most vulgar sh1t I have ever come across Leon, there is absolutely no need to use language like that, you and Lando are an absolute disgrace in that respect!!

For the record I wasn't suggesting that we get these managers I was listing managers who I think would do a better job and I stick by every single one of them.

How many youth players has Rafa brought through the ranks in 4 years, the answer is none. If you compare that to Wenger and Ferguson and many other Prem mangers then you start to see a worrying picture. Rafa would rather play Voronin than bring one of our youngsters through the ranks, hmm that must really instil belief in the youngsters!!!

I still haven't had a single person defend Rafa for continually picking Kuyt, come on you "true" fans please explain it to me.

Bring me into this again, you f*cking p*ssant, and I'll hound every post you ever make, you arrogant little WUM c*nt.

The day you stop posting sh*te is the day I stop insulting you.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND, PR*CK?

You sit yourself down on some metaphoric pedestal, believing yours to be an opinion of weight and credence. You constantly wind people up the wrong way with your backward views, and chat more sh*t than a motorised muck-spreader.
THEN, having belittled those who oppose you, you bleat, p*ss and whine about the big, bad bullies who "so unfairly" picked on you, "purely for expressing your opinion".

Well get f*cked, you grotty little w*nker.

As the saying goes - "Opinions are like a*seholes - everybody's got one."

Sadly, yours come straight FROM your a*sehole.

Thanks for proving my point so well Lando

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:32 pm

heimdall wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
heimdall wrote:OK Here are some names of managers who would do better in the league than Rafa:

Ferguson
Wenger
Mouriniho
O'Neill
Ramos
Erikson

Just to name managers from the Prem league.

How you guys still have faith in Rafa is beyond comprehension. How you can you defend a manager who never promotes youth players to the squad despite the fact that they have won the youth cup twice and who also keeps playing Kuyt??

You post some absolute shi.te lad, but this is up there with the best.

Furgeson has been at United for twenty years and was given 7 I think until he won the Premiership. He is simply not available as a replacement end of.

Wenger has been backed to the hilt by the club to the extent that he is expected to becone the Director when he finishes managing. He made decisions on the training ground, stadium and youth set up that have come to fruition, HOWEVER - if Arsenal dont win the league or FA Cup this seson, a strong possiblity then it will be FOUR YEARS without winning FU.CK ALL. He is also not available as a replacement.

Mourinho - absolute c.unt of a man, but its possible (not guaranteed) that he would improve our chance of winning hte league. He is available.

O'Neill - Get a grip, Villa have won a few games and he is the right man for the job ? Fickle must be your middle name.

Ramos - For Fu.cks sake, if you think that Ramos (2 UEFA CUPS and 1 COPA DEL REY) has more chance of winning us the league than Rafa (2 SPANISH LEAGUE TITLES, 1 UEFA CUP, 1 CHAMPIONS LEAGUE and 1 FA CUP) then you are even more stupid than you look. He has managed to get Spurs to a league Cup Final in this country to date, Rafa did this in his first season.

Ericksonn - I just did a wee wee in my pants.

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How we have faith in Rafa, we dont know eaither, he has won nothing and proven completely useless as a manager, all he has done is get us a Champions LEague win, FA Cup win, most Premiership points we have ever had (AND that would have won hte league 3 out of 6 years before) and got us to the final of the Champions LEague again last season.

Never promotes Youth players even though they have won the kids FA Cup ? FU.CK ME YOU ARE A FU.CKING IDIOT. - take a look at the players in the last ten years of winning the FA Youth Cup and see how many play top class football now.

How did you become a mod because you have to be the rudest and most vulgar sh1t I have ever come across Leon, there is absolutely no need to use language like that, you and Lando are an absolute disgrace in that respect!!

For the record I wasn't suggesting that we get these managers I was listing managers who I think would do a better job and I stick by every single one of them.

How many youth players has Rafa brought through the ranks in 4 years, the answer is none. If you compare that to Wenger and Ferguson and many other Prem mangers then you start to see a worrying picture. Rafa would rather play Voronin than bring one of our youngsters through the ranks, hmm that must really instil belief in the youngsters!!!

I still haven't had a single person defend Rafa for continually picking Kuyt, come on you "true" fans please explain it to me.

Bring me into this again, you f*cking p*ssant, and I'll hound every post you ever make, you arrogant little WUM c*nt.

The day you stop posting sh*te is the day I stop insulting you.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND, PR*CK?

You sit yourself down on some metaphoric pedestal, believing yours to be an opinion of weight and credence. You constantly wind people up the wrong way with your backward views, and chat more sh*t than a motorised muck-spreader.
THEN, having belittled those who oppose you, you bleat, p*ss and whine about the big, bad bullies who "so unfairly" picked on you, "purely for expressing your opinion".

Well get f*cked, you grotty little w*nker.

As the saying goes - "Opinions are like a*seholes - everybody's got one."

Sadly, yours come straight FROM your a*sehole.

Thanks for proving my point so well Lando

You guys are hilarious.

By the way heimdall, I believe that Rafa does care about the youth. That is why last year after our defeats to Arsenal kids, he took drastic measures on improving the youth academy. For the last year we've brought in a lot of talented kids like Pacheco, Nemeth, Bruno..... Those are the type of youngsters that have a chance at making it to the top, these English players that we have are simply not good enough no matter what they win.

by **heimdall** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:51 pm

But surely some of the youngsters deserve a chance ahead of sh1t like Kuyt and Voronin. I agree he is buying players but I want to see them get a chance to play.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:27 pm

We've got to be patient. Most of these new guys are way too young to get anywhere near the first team just yet. But I'm hoping to see Nemeth next year in the Carling Cup.

by **hello_red** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:46 pm

Lots of talk of bringing in ex players as coaches managers etc etc. That would be a stupid thing to do in my opinion.

We just need stability and investment in our club and we will be on a level with the other so cal big clubs in england and europe.

Alot of fans on here would do better supporting Newcastle United. Atleast you would get your own way and :censored:

the club up by not settling on a chosen way of play and manager to invest time in.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:19 am

I hope that Rafa realizes that this is his last shot to get it right. If Hicks does deliver the money in the summer, then all the pressure is on Rafa. If he goes out and spends it on more average players then I won't be supporting him anymore.

by **hello_red** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:25 pm

Now thats fair, if he gets investment and backing and still we dont look like mounting a serious challenge then well we can start asking questions but not yet.

by **Owzat** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:16 am

Paul C wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
Paul C wrote:Yeah I think we need money as you can never have enough but Rafa has spent £140m (approx) which imo is enough to at least make a challenge, put it this way we've spent more than enough to be getting into fights for 4th place with Everton and Villa, it's not good enough

You're looking at it the wrong way. We are fighting for 4th place right now because of the troubles off the field. Rafa is also still building the ideal team why cant people see that? Let's not forget that Man U, Chelsea, and Arsenal have also improved over last year. Why should we suddenly expect the title challenge when teams like Chelsea and Man U are allowed to buy world class talents but we've only bought Torres to add to our pretty average team.

Rafa needs more time and funds. Just this summer we started to heavily rebuild the youth academy. We've brought in a lot of highly rated youngster. We should not forget that some of them will break into the first team in a couple of years, don't forget that.

Many laughed at Wenger a couple of seasons ago when the could barely get 4th place and now look where they are. I know a lot of ignorant Arsenal fans who were calling for Wenger's head but some more intelligent Arsenal supporters knew the team was in a process of rebuilding and they were willing to give him time. They stuck with their manager through the through the storm and now they are rewarded for it.

Glad your so possitive, especially over the youngsters (see my posts in the 'youth development' thread).

I don't expect a quick fix bit I do expect us to closing the gap, which we aren't

I was looking at the youngster thread and thinking we simply aren't getting any coming through. Fowler, Carra and Gerrard are about it for the players coming through (that aren't sold) and was it 1999/2000 that Gerrard became a regular in the side? EIGHT whole years without a top player coming through the ranks, when was the last time we went eight years without seeing someone who played 100+ games for Liverpool come through the ranks?

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