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by **NANNY RED** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:54 pm

LFC2007 wrote:Done.

Also for your information: Link 2

But don't pester them.

Pleaded a few days ago on that one

by **LFC2007** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:10 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:Done.

Also for your information: Link 2

But don't pester them.

Pleaded a few days ago on that one

I said that I'd chip in

by **tubby** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:32 pm

Not trying to sound like a downer but is this really going to make a difference?

by **welsh wizzard** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:24 pm

If you ask me we are wasting our time !!!!!!!

by **KOPMATT** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:31 am

Done, Done Done!!!!!!

by **KOPMATT** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:32 am

welsh wizzard wrote:If you ask me we are wasting our time !!!!!!!

Maybe? But don't we do that anyway? Do you really think the demo's will have any effect on Hicks?
I don't mean it wasn't worth it an glad we did it what I mean is we need to do evrything we can to get shot of Hick's! you just neva know?

by **ivor_the_injun** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:11 am

I really don't get why DIC are suddenly being hailed as our potential saviours. In all honesty, some of the fawning from our fans in recent weeks has been f*cking embarrassing.

We know very little about them or their plans for the club, yet many here want to give them the keys to the castle purely because they've got money in their pocket?

How about we rewind 11 months and remind ourselves exactly how well that kind of thinking has served us?

I'd rather my club was a plucky top 6 side in a 45,000 capacity stadium fighting the honest fight year after year than be the kind of club whose support hears the rustle of money and throws itself at a rich man's feet. Yes, the game is run by money these days, and to get the big prizes you need enormous spending power, but what price a bit of f*cking soul?

My jaw was agape the other night when I saw some of the "Dubai SOS" banners and their like. I'm currently aghast at the ineptitude of our current owners as much as anyone, but some of you just listen to yourselves for the love of god.

There is no financial saviour out there for us right now that will turn us into a Chelsea-style spending powerhouse. We made Gillett and Hicks' bed for them last year, and now they're jumping up and down on it until all the fivers come out from under the mattress. Yes we could've done without the lies on the way, but this was always going to happen. The fact is, I really don't think DIC getting the nod last year would have made any difference - the bottom line is that they want to make money, and everybody knows that we could spend no money on new players, play for 4th place in the Prem every single season, and we'd still manage to sell out a 70,000 stadium.

We've got the bulk of a squad that made the Champions League final last year, a competition with huge financial incentives. Compare that with the financial incentives on offer for doing better in the league - there's just over £1.5m difference in the prize money on offer for the champions and the team coming 4th. Is it any wonder that Hicks had his eye on another manager when our CL future this season was under threat? His eye in the short term is on the Champions League knockout gravy train. I bet the guy couldn't give a flying f*ck if we draw at home v Villa in the league so long as the TV money keeps coming in, and there's another one of those showpiece Yurpeen affairs on the horizon.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:37 am

ivor_the_injun wrote:I really don't get why DIC are suddenly being hailed as our potential saviours. In all honesty, some of the fawning from our fans in recent weeks has been f*cking embarrassing.

We know very little about them or their plans for the club, yet many here want to give them the keys to the castle purely because they've got money in their pocket?

We know they're fans of the club, we know they're top professionals, we know they have greater access to capital than G&H, we know they have clear links to the Asian market, we know they'll probably take a keener interest in the club than G&H, we know they probably won't approach an inexperienced German manager behind our current manager's back, we know they probably won't reveal all about the club and its inner workings to the media.

We know, and/or can deduce a number of facts about DIC and how they would compare to our current owners.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:56 am

LFC2007 wrote:
ivor_the_injun wrote:I really don't get why DIC are suddenly being hailed as our potential saviours. In all honesty, some of the fawning from our fans in recent weeks has been f*cking embarrassing.

We know very little about them or their plans for the club, yet many here want to give them the keys to the castle purely because they've got money in their pocket?

We know they're fans of the club, we know they're top professionals, we know they have greater access to capital than G&H, we know they have clear links to the Asian market, we know they'll probably take a keener interest in the club than G&H, we know they probably won't approach an inexperienced German manager behind our current manager's back, we know they probably won't reveal all about the club and its inner workings to the media.

We know, and/or can deduce a number of facts about DIC and how they would compare to our current owners.

Well for a start, there's no "they" when it comes to them being fans of the club. Their chief exec Samir Al Ansari is a fan, but it's not his money, and they've given no indication as to whether Al Ansari will have anything to do with the running of the club. For all we know, they could be putting an LFC link front and centre in order to appease us.

Also, there are a few too many "we know they'll probably" contradictions in your post for my liking. Either we know or we don't.

The way I see it - and I have been paying attention - we know f*ck all. They could come in and make G&H look like god's gift to chairmen, and their renewed approach absolutely reeks of opportunism to me.

So, why we have dozens of banners at games right now hailing them as the saviour of all that is good and pure about LFC I have no clue.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:08 am

ivor_the_injun wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
ivor_the_injun wrote:I really don't get why DIC are suddenly being hailed as our potential saviours. In all honesty, some of the fawning from our fans in recent weeks has been f*cking embarrassing.

We know very little about them or their plans for the club, yet many here want to give them the keys to the castle purely because they've got money in their pocket?

We know they're fans of the club, we know they're top professionals, we know they have greater access to capital than G&H, we know they have clear links to the Asian market, we know they'll probably take a keener interest in the club than G&H, we know they probably won't approach an inexperienced German manager behind our current manager's back, we know they probably won't reveal all about the club and its inner workings to the media.

We know, and/or can deduce a number of facts about DIC and how they would compare to our current owners.

1) Well for a start, there's no "they" when it comes to then being fans of the club. Their chief exec Samir Al Ansari is a fan, but it's not his money, and they've given no indication as to whether Al Ansari will have anything to do with the running of the club. For all we know, they could be putting an LFC link front and centre in order to appease us.

2) Also, there are a few too many "we know they'll probably" contradictions in your post for my liking. Either we know or we don't.

3) The way I see it - and I have been paying attention - we know f*ck all. They could come in and make G&H look like god's gift to chairmen, and their renewed approach absolutely reeks of opportunism to me.

So, why we have dozens of banners at games right now hailing them as the saviour of all that is good and pure about LFC I have no clue.

1) They - more than one.

I'm willing to place my house on the line that more than one member of DIC's hierarchy is a Liverpool fan. Ansari is the main man at the organisation, the fact that he supports us is absolutely relevant. The fact that it's not his money is however irrelevant. DIC have numerous ventures, and although Ansari may not be involved in the day-to-day running of the club, whenever funds need authorised, stadium plans ratified he'll be there. He runs the organisation, the fact that he's a fan suggests that he'll take a keener interest than you may think.

2) I was replying to your 'we know very little about them'. In fact, we can deduce a fair bit about them, and we know a fair bit about them. We know Ansari is a fan - fact. We can deduce from that fact that he'll probably be more aware of the club's situation than G&H are, and hence is unlikely to make silly errors of judgement ala the Klinnsmann comments.

3) You may know well know f*ck all about them, most however can deduce a fair amount more.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:10 am

We know what we have now with H&G , and we don't like it. Sometimes its better the devil you don't know.

It would be nice if we could turn the clock back and reassess our options but thats impossible. We either have to make the best of what we have now (H&G) or look to someone else (DIC). Option 2 while not necessarily the answer to our prayers certainly seems better than H&G at this moment in time.

by **bigmick** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:20 am

I must say I agree with the notion that whoever comes in instead of these two c...s, it's worth getting rid and crossing that bridge when we get to it. I'm normally a fairly decent judge of character and that Tom Hicks interview made my skin crawl. He's so obviously a devious, slimy back stabbing fecker he might as well be wearing a neon sign saying so. Not the most scientific way of deciding the ownership of a club I'll grant you but if he's not a wrong 'un I'm a fecking Dutch International.

I don't think too many fans would begrudge owners making money out of the club, that's what they buy them for lets face it. It would be nice though if whoever owns the club was willing to expend some time and energy on the running of it, and is also mindful of the clubs traditions, respects the fans and is prepared to give the supporters a chance of seeing a decent football team from week to week by putting their hands in their pocket for some new players. To the best of my knowledge Gillet and Hicks don't tick a single one out of those boxes, they are vermin and deserve to be hounded out of the club completely.

As for DIC, I want them to come on board simply because it means the other two c...s can feck off quicker, having made a tidy profit and patted each other on the back as to how clever they were. Once the arabs are in, we'll see. Whether or not this bloke is a fan is irrelevent it seems to me, it's whether he and his company will run the club properly which interests me. If they are bad as well, the fans should feck them off as well.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:26 am

LFC2007 wrote:
ivor_the_injun wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
ivor_the_injun wrote:I really don't get why DIC are suddenly being hailed as our potential saviours. In all honesty, some of the fawning from our fans in recent weeks has been f*cking embarrassing.

We know very little about them or their plans for the club, yet many here want to give them the keys to the castle purely because they've got money in their pocket?

We know they're fans of the club, we know they're top professionals, we know they have greater access to capital than G&H, we know they have clear links to the Asian market, we know they'll probably take a keener interest in the club than G&H, we know they probably won't approach an inexperienced German manager behind our current manager's back, we know they probably won't reveal all about the club and its inner workings to the media.

We know, and/or can deduce a number of facts about DIC and how they would compare to our current owners.

1) Well for a start, there's no "they" when it comes to then being fans of the club. Their chief exec Samir Al Ansari is a fan, but it's not his money, and they've given no indication as to whether Al Ansari will have anything to do with the running of the club. For all we know, they could be putting an LFC link front and centre in order to appease us.

2) Also, there are a few too many "we know they'll probably" contradictions in your post for my liking. Either we know or we don't.

3) The way I see it - and I have been paying attention - we know f*ck all. They could come in and make G&H look like god's gift to chairmen, and their renewed approach absolutely reeks of opportunism to me.

So, why we have dozens of banners at games right now hailing them as the saviour of all that is good and pure about LFC I have no clue.

1) They - more than one.

I'm willing to place my house on the line that more than one member of DIC's hierarchy is a Liverpool fan. Ansari is the main man at the organisation, the fact that he supports us is absolutely relevant. The fact that it's not his money is however irrelevant. DIC have numerous ventures, and although Ansari may not be involved in the day-to-day running of the club, whenever funds need authorised, stadium plans ratified he'll be there. He runs the organisation, the fact that he's a fan suggests that he'll take a keener interest than you may think.

2) I was replying to your 'we know very little about them'. In fact, we can deduce a fair bit about them, and we know a fair bit about them. We know Ansari is a fan - fact. We can deduce from that fact that he'll probably be more aware of the club's situation than G&H are, and hence is unlikely to make silly errors of judgement ala the Klinnsmann comments.

3) You may know well know f*ck all about them, most however can deduce a fair amount more.

Put it another way then. Substitute Al Ansari with Steve Morgan.

He's an LFC fan too, but it never stopped him pushing the idea of a groundshare with Everton. Look at us two now - we're both LFC fans and we're arguing. I think Graham Souness quite liked us too, back in the 90s. One man's great idea is another man's horsesh*t though, let's not forget.

Are people daubing bedsheets with red poster paint begging the Dubai lot to come save us because they deduce that, odds are, they'll probably be less sh*t than those American fellas?

Is money so important to us now that we want the big decisions to be made purely on tenuous LFC connections and the relative depth of two different sets of pockets?

In recent years we've had more false dawns than I'm comfortable with, and this idea that the nice men from the UAE will be the ones that break our poor run of form in business terms just seems to be sheer lunacy from where I'm sitting.

And anyway, this is probably going to all be completely moot so long as Hicks hasn't been telling more porkies when he says the refinancing deal is all but done. I just don't like this begging culture we've suddenly acquired. "SOS Dubai" a banner said the other night. Our souls are really wanting saving if we're blindly falling in love with someone's money before they've even got on a plane to come and introduce themselves.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:39 am

ivor_the_injun wrote:1) Put it another way then. Substitute Al Ansari with Steve Morgan.

He's an LFC fan too, but it never stopped him pushing the idea of a groundshare with Everton. Look at us two now - we're both LFC fans and we're arguing. I think Graham Souness quite liked us too, back in the 90s. One man's great idea is another man's horsesh*t though, let's not forget.

2)Are people daubing bedsheets with red poster paint begging the Dubai lot to come save us because they deduce that, odds are, they'll probably be less sh*t than those American fellas?

3) Is money so important to us now that we want the big decisions to be made purely on tenuous LFC connections and the relative depth of two different sets of pockets?

4) In recent years we've had more false dawns than I'm comfortable with, and this idea that the nice men from the UAE will be the ones that break our poor run of form in business terms just seems to be sheer lunacy from where I'm sitting.

5) And anyway, this is probably going to all be completely moot so long as Hicks hasn't been telling more porkies when he says the refinancing deal is all but done. I just don't like this begging culture we've suddenly acquired. "SOS Dubai" a banner said the other night. Our souls are really wanting saving if we're blindly falling in love with someone's money before they've even got on a plane to come and introduce themselves.

1) Morgan is a Liverpool fan as is Ansari, but that alone is't enough to justify why an individual or organisation is the most appropriate prospective owner. You have to consider everything - DIC hold a vast investment portfolio for example, one far more diverse than G&H put together. I've no doubt this would aid their ability to do the job if they were to takeover. Business diversity and the ability to adapt to any number of businesses, and corresponding success in those businesses is surely a pro-point. Depth of pockets is certainly a pro-point, however distatsteful that may seem.

2) I think most fans feel that they (DIC) would be so much an improvement on G&H, they are imploring them to make a bid.

3) That is modern-day football, what other criteria do you go by?

4) It's entirely a question of judgement, they'll not automaticaly save us. It doesn't work like that, but I've a fair idea in my mind that they'd be a significant improvement upon our current owners.

5) It probably is a moot point, why are we discussing a moot point? :laugh:

by **Ciggy** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:57 am

DIC

"Liverpool is the most successful football club in English football history. It exists to win things for its supporters. It deserves to be in the hands of people who support it, who understand its history and legend and who share the enthusiasm and passion of its fans."

“I am sure I will be back at Anfield with my family soon to support my team, as I have done so in the last thirty-plus years and will make sure that I am there the day they lift the Premier League trophy.”

Tom Hicks:

Liverpool are just like Weetabix.

I know all about Liverpools rivals Man Ham.

If I want to take money from Liverpool for my other franchises I will.

If we are losing we might aswell lose poor.

I interviewed Jurgen Klinsmann

Nothing more to say really.

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