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by **Owzat** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:31 am

Ciggy wrote:Funny how they have never won a cup in England in the last twelve years isnt it?

Oh just blame Heysel.

Their record is patchy at best, I do of course have a record of every club who has won a major trophy so can provide the stats

everton - the bitter ****s' club

League titles since 1963 (4) - 62/63, 69/70, 84/85, 86/87
FA Cups since 1963 (3) : 1966, 1984, 1995
League Cups since 1963 (0) : n/a

European Cups since 1963 (0) : n/a
Cup Winners Cups since 1963 (1) : 1985
UEFA Cups since 1963 (0) : n/a

Four of their fourteen trophies came in the 80s, one FA Cup win over Watford lead them to the Cup Winners Cup win over Rapid Vienna. I've picked 1963 as it gives equal time of 22 years before the Heysel Tragedy and 22 years after. They've managed ONE trophy since the Heysel ban ended so the only way they can conclude they'd have dominated is through scapegoating, denial and wild imagination. How can our tragedy in EUROPE be blamed on their lack of domestic success? They won the league just once during the ban and not since, their 'domination' in England in the 80s extended to three domestic trophies. The truth is we dominated the league in the 80s, they picked up the scraps. In the 90s the mancs dominated and Arsenal picked up the scraps. Only great sides win the European Cup (truly great sides more than once), that is why everton and Arsenal haven't won it - at least Arsenal made a final.

For the record the European Cup has run since 1957/58 so everton had already failed to win it in their previous two attempts. Five of their league titles were pre WWII, I'm surprised they haven't blamed the war for their lack of domestic success since!

And blaming Heysel is just typically bitter, it's one of those unprovable claims that get flogged to death because you can't disprove it either. It's just typical of them to hide behind it

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:13 pm

Ciggy wrote:Another gem:

Barry Horne in today's Post

While Old Trafford is a stunning stadium, it’s atmosphere is sterile because of their fan-base.

Nowhere, compares to Goodison for atmosphere – not even Anfield. keep em coming

got to admit kipper is a laugh a minute, he must of seen the hate barry horne thread so got in some brown nosing, wanker.

by **RedBlood** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:28 pm

who gives a fu.ck what moyes says just laugh at the idiot and move on

by **Mark 23** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:34 pm

Ciggy wrote:Another gem:

Barry Horne in today's Post

While Old Trafford is a stunning stadium, it’s atmosphere is sterile because of their fan-base.

Nowhere, compares to Goodison for atmosphere – not even Anfield. keep em coming

Another gem eh? League games at Anfield are :censored:

for atmosphere unless its a big team, its only the Kop that give you a song, the main stand is proper quiet. There is a group at the back of the Kop who start it all the time.

I got my French friends tickets for Birmingham and they were shocked at how quiet it was.

by **Number 9** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:11 am

Mark 23 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Another gem:

Barry Horne in today's Post

While Old Trafford is a stunning stadium, it’s atmosphere is sterile because of their fan-base.

Nowhere, compares to Goodison for atmosphere – not even Anfield. keep em coming

Another gem eh? League games at Anfield are for atmosphere unless its a big team, its only the Kop that give you a song, the main stand is proper quiet. There is a group at the back of the Kop who start it all the time.

I got my French friends tickets for Birmingham and they were shocked at how quiet it was.

Sadly thats about right mate.I go to plenty of games but have never sat in the Kop!!
Trying to start a song in any other stand is like trying to start a fire with a wet match..it can be a bit flat when we are playing teams we expect to beat and thats being honest.

On the other hand if its Man UTD,Arsenal,Chelesa or Everton the whole place is electric and totally amazing.
Champions League games are better and so much more noisier when theres something at stake and we NEED to win!

The reason Everton fans are noisy all the time is because they are simply frustrated...Lets face it if you could'nt remember the last trophy your team won you would shout and be frustrated too!

by **The Manhattan Project** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:13 am

From 1955 to 1985 there were thirty European Cup tournaments.

Why didn't Everton win any of those?

Who do they blame those failures for?

by **Anfield rapper** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:46 am

NEWS FLASH

EVERTON STILL BITTER

by **Mark 23** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:51 am

Number 9 wrote:
Mark 23 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Another gem:

Barry Horne in today's Post

While Old Trafford is a stunning stadium, it’s atmosphere is sterile because of their fan-base.

Nowhere, compares to Goodison for atmosphere – not even Anfield. keep em coming

Another gem eh? League games at Anfield are for atmosphere unless its a big team, its only the Kop that give you a song, the main stand is proper quiet. There is a group at the back of the Kop who start it all the time.

I got my French friends tickets for Birmingham and they were shocked at how quiet it was.

Sadly thats about right mate.I go to plenty of games but have never sat in the Kop!!
Trying to start a song in any other stand is like trying to start a fire with a wet match..it can be a bit flat when we are playing teams we expect to beat and thats being honest.

On the other hand if its Man UTD,Arsenal,Chelesa or Everton the whole place is electric and totally amazing.
Champions League games are better and so much more noisier when theres something at stake and we NEED to win!

The reason Everton fans are noisy all the time is because they are simply frustrated...Lets face it if you could'nt remember the last trophy your team won you would shout and be frustrated too!

Footballs dying - the crowds at the top clubs are packed with the middle classes, programme in one hand, hot dog in the other, acting like its a trip to the cinemas - no atmosphere anymore.
And because of the ticket prices, nobody wants to shell out big money to watch :censored:

. I hate the way football is going now

by **babu** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:22 am

IMO no English club or fans can be totally blameless for what was happening at the time. Reforms and re-education were desperately needed, but it took several incidents for clubs and the league to react with commitment. Tragic & terrible as Hysel was, it would only have been a matter of time for something similar to have happened to another English club.

All english clubs payed the price, and LFC will always carry the burden of responsilbilty for the actions of its fans that day, rightly so. It should always be remembered and serve as a warning.

However Everton can just f.uck off if they think they weren't part of the problem that existed at the time, and for continuing to cite this tragic event as an excuse for them not being a big club, is disrespectful and dellusional. w@nkers.

by **Number 9** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:58 am

Gollum can suck my big red ................

"There is a bit of me that wants to tell people in Europe that they should not forget that Everton were champions of England, and but for the Heysel disaster they have been denied a chance to have a long run in Europe.People forget that and don’t understand what happened. Everton were unfortunate but I accept it was a tragedy that made football unimportant…What happened after Heysel changed lots of careers. Players and managers. Since then we have been watching from the outside and the club was denied the chance to grow and benefit from the money in European competition.”

Right ok??

Now hold on...How many fuc.king years ago was that?
That type of comment me makes feel raw with anger and a hatred i usually dont feel.........Its actually sick to an extent.

In reality the facts are,yes you freak we know you have tried to make a shi.te team better and to an extent have succeeeded.In reality though you aspire to be what we already are proud to have been,but what we will leave behind!

'Forever in our shadow' is not a cliche in fact its probably the most apt term of describing how pathetic Everton are and how year after year they chase us wanting to emulate our success,when we and the world can see and KNOW they are a only a few minutes away....but in a real terms a million miles away in success and class!

Once they pipped us to fourth and once they beat us hard recently!
They made a video about both,no doubt watched by every 'blue'...I bet more 'blues' watched LFC beat AC Milan from 3 nil down than watched all those games with envy than both those shi.tty videos put together?

Of course im right...Deep down every blue wants to be a red...bottom line is they are just not as good,history has proven it and will continue to do so!

LFC are better thats a FACT...WALK ON REDMEN!! :buttrock

by **Boocity** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:27 pm

If Heysel happened now (god forbid) no clus or country would be banned from europe, Th club involved would just have to play behind closed doors or something. Heysel provided euafa with the excuse they needed.

Everton would probably gone out in the first round any way beaten 10-1 on aggregate by some obsure team from Iceland or something

by **Big Niall** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:32 pm

Boocity wrote:If Heysel happened now (god forbid) no clus or country would be banned from europe, Th club involved would just have to play behind closed doors or something. Heysel provided euafa with the excuse they needed.

Everton would probably gone out in the first round any way beaten 10-1 on aggregate by some obsure team from Iceland or something

It was horrific and a shameful moment in LFC history.

You shouldn't deny the past.

by **Boocity** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:45 pm

Big Niall wrote:
Boocity wrote:If Heysel happened now (god forbid) no clus or country would be banned from europe, Th club involved would just have to play behind closed doors or something. Heysel provided euafa with the excuse they needed.

Everton would probably gone out in the first round any way beaten 10-1 on aggregate by some obsure team from Iceland or something

It was horrific and a shameful moment in LFC history.

You shouldn't deny the past.

I am not denying the past. I was devastated when Heysel happened. Hooliganism was a major problem in English football at the time and Heysel was the final straw, remember euafa first response when Hillsborough happened, their initial reaction was to blame the fans.
look at the things that have happened with other countries clubs in europe since Heysel, there has been some major incidents with people getting killed but the response from the football authorities has been inadequate and ineffectual

by **Big Niall** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:02 pm

I think the death toll was in the high thirties. Nothing has come close to that.

Add to that, that it was the European cup final, that English hooliganism was a major problem and UEFA were right to ban LFC and other English clubs.

I do agree, though, that other countries - especially Turkey and Italy - have got off lightly.

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