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Postby Bermenstein » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:22 am

s@int wrote:I spotted this article over on YNWA that someone posted, it's from a few years back.

http://www.playthegame.org/Knowled....on.aspx


There are other examples: a contract between Bank of America and Vasco da Gama was intended to cover twenty five years but lasted only two. Worst of all, perhaps, is the case of the Hicks group. This group is a hedge fund based in Texas and linked to President George W. Bush. Hicks took over two teams, Corinthians and Cruzeiro, through contracts that should have run until the year two thousand and ten.

These deals included promises of construction of new stadiums. Hicks also bought forty nine percent of the traffic television network and dreamed up its own ultimate soccer business: Hicks teams facing each other in matches broadcast, naturally, by Hicks. Hicks set up a cable channel in Latin America, PSN, acquired national basketball association rights, formula one races and soccer championships at overblown prices. Hicks invested about five hundred million dollars and in only two years filed for bankruptcy.


I e-mailed the guy to make sure it was "our" Hicks and he replied saying this:



"Of course that the Group Hicks of Corinthians is the same. They also wanted to manage argentine clubs. I remember some years ago I wrote an article called Hicks vs Hicks by Hicks TV. Because they also founded a latinoamerican TV channell called PSN (Panamerican Sports Network). Many people believed it was a great excuse for money laundering. The payed 3or 4 times more the rights for Libertadores Cup, Formula One, NBA and so on, a lot of money. Friends from ESPN told me that it was imposible to make a good business with such a lot of money. Just one year and a half later PSN went on bankrupt. Cheers."


I posted this up on YNWA earlier and the lads have found a couple of articles about it:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BEK/is_12_8/ai_67881225


Carlos Roberto de Mello, Corinthians' vice president for finances, says Hicks, Muse waited too long to reinvest the profits from the trades. "That hurt Corinthians' performance and irritated fans used to a better playing team," he says. He warns that the strategy may cut into future team profits if Hicks, Muse doesn't get busy building the team up again.

But Hicks, Muse's Pan-American Sports Teams President Richard Law defends the decisions. "The reality of any sports franchise is that teams go through cycles as players mature," he says. "Our job is not to turn back the inevitable, but to build Corinthians and Cruzeiro up from the junior ranks," referring to the teams' 16- to 20-year-old players.


They were also supposed to build a 45,000 stadium for Corinthians


As part of a separate deal, Hicks, Muse plans to build the club a new training center in early 2001 and a new 45,000-seat stadium in the next few years.


It never happened.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Corpora....724.cms

Meanwhile, the free flow of capital has resulted in foreigners investing in football clubs, often with disastrous consequences, such as when the American buyout firm Hicks, Muse, Tate & Furst bought Corinthians, Sao Paulo’s leading club.

Corinthians won the World Cup championships in 2000, but the club’s performance subsequently slumped and a political row ensued as fans began to protest about everything from player trades to changes in the colour of jerseys. Hicks, Muse exited three years later, following a row with its local partner.


How the f*ck can a few random lads find out all this information after a 5 minute search of the internet yet the chairman and chief exec of our club can't? Moores and Parry sold us down the river the c*nts.

Also, how has this sh*t not come out in the papers? You'd think someone would have stumbled across this considering Corinthians is Mascherano's former club and it seemed he was at the centre of the row when it first happened.

ripped from RAWK

This post should be emailed to the powers that be @ Anfield and sent to Liverpoolfc.tv.
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Postby Redman in wales » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:24 am

sworth26 wrote:I feel sick.

i've felt sick all week

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it really does look like G & H are being stubborn and they're gonna stay.  :(
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Postby Sean » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:25 am

The bottom line is that Moores and Pary screwed up last year by selling the club to the wrong bidder.
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Postby lakes10 » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:28 am

There was a great bit on ccn last night about G&H not selling Liverpool. CNN said all tis talk come about due to a pro Rafa newspaper reporter in the UK. They spok about Rafa being the OUT GOING manager of liverpool, (not sure what they meant by out going as it could be used in two ways). They said the reporter fet that if he put that the owners were going to sell the club this could take the pressure off Rafa for sometime.

Keep in mind that this is an american tv station so they are not going to slag off G&H.

As i put in a few of my other posts , even if the club was sold they would not sell all of it.
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Postby Rimetto_ » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:34 am

Just been sent this by email, can but dream it's true

Subject:        no rumour this is official stuff

Mark this date in your calenders - February 18th 2008. Massive press conference being planned at Anfield as we speak. The club has been sold to DIC for 375 million pounds that will give the current owners $710 million - a $70 million profit. Al Ansari, CEO of DIC has completed his due diligence.

The players and staff were made aware of this prior to the Luton game.
Rafa's job is safe but he has to bring in an assistant, this will be Gary McAllister. Rick Parry who offended members of DIC last year, will 'step down' and the new owners will bring in David Dein as a replacement.

No more money will be available for transfer's in the January window as the current owners will not sanction any deals, unless players are sold.
The Summer will see massive player investment from DIC, believed to be in the region of 85 million + whatever is made from player sales. This could see a transfer budget of around 115 million. This is not a rumour, this is all ligit. Remember who told you the Americans had brought the club, four days before it was released and who let you guys know that Fernando Torres had signed a deal a full week before the press even got wind of it. Thats me. From Anfield Insider
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Postby Redman in wales » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:38 am

Rimetto_ wrote:Just been sent this by email, can but dream it's true

Subject:        no rumour this is official stuff

Mark this date in your calenders - February 18th 2008. Massive press conference being planned at Anfield as we speak. The club has been sold to DIC for 375 million pounds that will give the current owners $710 million - a $70 million profit. Al Ansari, CEO of DIC has completed his due diligence.

The players and staff were made aware of this prior to the Luton game.
Rafa's job is safe but he has to bring in an assistant, this will be Gary McAllister. Rick Parry who offended members of DIC last year, will 'step down' and the new owners will bring in David Dein as a replacement.

No more money will be available for transfer's in the January window as the current owners will not sanction any deals, unless players are sold.
The Summer will see massive player investment from DIC, believed to be in the region of 85 million + whatever is made from player sales. This could see a transfer budget of around 115 million. This is not a rumour, this is all ligit. Remember who told you the Americans had brought the club, four days before it was released and who let you guys know that Fernando Torres had signed a deal a full week before the press even got wind of it. Thats me. From Anfield Insider

already been posted on here...

sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it came from Krap-talk and is full of sh.it - its basically someone writing down what they want to happen and saying its all true.

G&H aren't going anywhere. The re-financing is all due to go through ok as announce by reuters yesterday
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Postby ruskiy playmaker » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:02 pm

Why do people make up this false information?  Don't they have anything better to do with their time?
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Postby maguskwt » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:23 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
maguskwt wrote:wow... this is a scary find saint...

It's also not that surprising. I have a strong feeling that these two c*nts will sell to DIC. It's just a hunch, but I'm thinking Parry, Moores and these two clowns are all going to end up a lot better off for their respective parts in this ridiculous scandal. It's a well disguised con if you ask me, and the real cost is that this club's name is to be dragged through the press as if it were a cheap prostitute. Someone needs hung.

this is seriously a scandal if you ask me... but if this has been reported in the media then I'm afraid Hicks will not sell even if he was thinking about selling just to prove/pretend that he did not buy LFC for such a purpose... this information is like a double-edged sword for us... I just hope that DIC makes an offer he can't refuse...
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Postby Rimetto_ » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:30 pm

Redman in wales wrote:
Rimetto_ wrote:Just been sent this by email, can but dream it's true

Subject:        no rumour this is official stuff

Mark this date in your calenders - February 18th 2008. Massive press conference being planned at Anfield as we speak. The club has been sold to DIC for 375 million pounds that will give the current owners $710 million - a $70 million profit. Al Ansari, CEO of DIC has completed his due diligence.

The players and staff were made aware of this prior to the Luton game.
Rafa's job is safe but he has to bring in an assistant, this will be Gary McAllister. Rick Parry who offended members of DIC last year, will 'step down' and the new owners will bring in David Dein as a replacement.

No more money will be available for transfer's in the January window as the current owners will not sanction any deals, unless players are sold.
The Summer will see massive player investment from DIC, believed to be in the region of 85 million + whatever is made from player sales. This could see a transfer budget of around 115 million. This is not a rumour, this is all ligit. Remember who told you the Americans had brought the club, four days before it was released and who let you guys know that Fernando Torres had signed a deal a full week before the press even got wind of it. Thats me. From Anfield Insider

already been posted on here...

sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it came from Krap-talk and is full of sh.it - its basically someone writing down what they want to happen and saying its all true.

G&H aren't going anywhere. The re-financing is all due to go through ok as announce by reuters yesterday

that is bad news, Oh well goodbye the liverpool we love.

Yanks are going to distroy our club if left to it
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Postby Paul C » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:33 pm

The thing I don't get is how Hick says they will not sell the club but last week said they had talks with DIC in November but the talks fell through over the evaluation of the club. ???
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Postby Scottbot » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:33 pm

Rimetto_ wrote:Just been sent this by email, can but dream it's true

Subject:        no rumour this is official stuff

Mark this date in your calenders - February 18th 2008. Massive press conference being planned at Anfield as we speak. The club has been sold to DIC for 375 million pounds that will give the current owners $710 million - a $70 million profit. Al Ansari, CEO of DIC has completed his due diligence.

The players and staff were made aware of this prior to the Luton game.
Rafa's job is safe but he has to bring in an assistant, this will be Gary McAllister. Rick Parry who offended members of DIC last year, will 'step down' and the new owners will bring in David Dein as a replacement.

No more money will be available for transfer's in the January window as the current owners will not sanction any deals, unless players are sold.
The Summer will see massive player investment from DIC, believed to be in the region of 85 million + whatever is made from player sales. This could see a transfer budget of around 115 million. This is not a rumour, this is all ligit. Remember who told you the Americans had brought the club, four days before it was released and who let you guys know that Fernando Torres had signed a deal a full week before the press even got wind of it. Thats me. From Anfield Insider

Suggest you read the thread started by Jonny.Mac in the Advanced Debate section to see what a complete bunch of scheming, lying, bulls.h..i..t talking wa.n.k..ers Krap Talk really are. They've had their subscribers bent over for years.
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Postby Redman in wales » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:44 pm

Paul C wrote:The thing I don't get is how Hick says they will not sell the club but last week said they had talks with DIC in November but the talks fell through over the evaluation of the club. ???

where did hicks actually say they'd spoken to DIC in november?

source/quotes?

there was nothing about it on this site or in the media as I recall
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Postby Bad Bob » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:05 pm

Redman in wales wrote:
Paul C wrote:The thing I don't get is how Hick says they will not sell the club but last week said they had talks with DIC in November but the talks fell through over the evaluation of the club. ???

where did hicks actually say they'd spoken to DIC in november?

source/quotes?

there was nothing about it on this site or in the media as I recall

It was in the one of the press releases, mate.  I think it was actually in September and it was DIC looking to by up a minority share in the club on the order of 10-15%.  They backed out because the Yanks valued the club at a billion pounds!!!  Someone can post up a proper link, I'm sure.
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Postby Redman in wales » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:12 pm

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Redman in wales wrote:
Paul C wrote:The thing I don't get is how Hick says they will not sell the club but last week said they had talks with DIC in November but the talks fell through over the evaluation of the club. ???

where did hicks actually say they'd spoken to DIC in november?

source/quotes?

there was nothing about it on this site or in the media as I recall

It was in the one of the press releases, mate.  I think it was actually in September and it was DIC looking to by up a minority share in the club on the order of 10-15%.  They backed out because the Yanks valued the club at a billion pounds!!!  Someone can post up a proper link, I'm sure.

ah ok. I completely missed that. so they never wanted to sell... it was more like give away 10/15% in return for a lotta cash, so they would have to go round re-financing
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Postby Redman in wales » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:15 pm

and I've just read this on RAWK too:

Tony Barratt in the Echo:

TOM Hicks has repeated his desire to hold on to his stake in Liverpool Football Club – and also insisted co-chairman George Gillett is not interested in selling up either.

As revealed in yesterday's ECHO, Dubai International Capital is ready to launch its second bid to buy into the club in less than a year.

But Hicks is adamant any such approach will fall upon deaf ears.

A spokesman for the Dallas-based multi-millionaire said: "Any suggestion that Messrs Hicks and Gillett are contemplating a sale of the club or any portion thereof to DIC or anyone else is categorically untrue."

The duo now face a crucial week, both in terms of their own partnership and the future of the club they bought in February last year.

A finanacial restructuring deal which will allow them to borrow around £350m from the Royal Bank of Scotland and American investment bank Wachovia is close to completion.

If that deal is signed by both parties it will allow them to use the loan to wipe out the initial £218.9m debt accrued when purchasing Liverpool and also give them the necessary finance to start work on the long awaited new stadium.

But the new debt would be loaded onto the club, a situation which is causing concern among other members of the club's board.

Gillett has remained silent in recent weeks as he contemplates his next move but crunch time is approaching and in the next seven days he will have to decide if the restructuring deal which remains on the table is the right path for both himself and the club to follow.

Should he decide not to sign up to the deal then the door will be left ajar for DIC to make their approach.

DIC lost out in the pursuit of the former chairman David Moores' majority shareholding last February when its failure to meet agreed deadlines for the takeover enabled the Americans to succeed with a late and more lucrative bid. Though it withdrew acrimoniously from negotiations, DIC has maintained its interest and, having baulked at a £150m asking price for a 15% stake last October, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum's investment company now hopes to capitalise on any disunity between Hicks and Gillett.

The statement released by Hicks' spokesman on both of their behalfs suggests there may be no disunity for them to exploit and if Gillett signs up to the restructuring deal it would represent the biggest statement of intent he could make at this time.

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