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Postby Kharhaz » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:26 am

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I am not anti -american but I wouldn't trust those two if they said it was dark outside. Latest story is the contract was on the table waiting to be signed, thats not an insurance policy, that was Klinsmann to take over !

As George Bush nearly said :- If someone fools you once, shame on them, if someone fools you twice, shame on you.

If they didn't want Rafa to go(not sacked), why bring it out now 2 months down the line? If they sack him it costs them £6million, if he walks it costs then nothing.


Key words here are STORY and NEARLY SAID. I cant wait for the day when this will all end....

You said it was all rubbish :D , I am surprised you haven't kept your head down as events have unfolded.

And so far it has been. Like I said earlier if they wanted a new manager we would have one already ! It seems that they have come out and tried to be as honest as they can be while making themselves look foolish. Rafas still here, unfortunately so are all the negatives. The show of support for rafa must have shown them how much the supporters care for rafa and that LFC are not your ordinary chop and change club and that a family atmosphere really does exist within the club which prompted them to be honest with what has gone on. Regardless, rafa is still here and the yanks have a lot to learn about the way clubs are run in england.
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Postby NANNY RED » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:34 am

Ciggy wrote:Here it is the pair of kunts where going to be found out so they had to come clean.

Graham Hunter reported this morning that Klinsmann was definitely offered the liverpool job.
Hunter was talking to Bayern officials at their winter training camp in spain about the klinsmann position and was briefed the following:

- Klinsmann had detailed talks with Hicks, and was assured that he would be taking over from Rafa at the end of the season
- Klinsmann started plans for the transition, including lining up his own men for back-up roles, including some 'new-age' type fellas he used with germany
- The talks went way beyond what hicks implied yesterday. The offer was definite, and was not some back-up insurance policy.
- When Bayern officials began to hear of this, they moved very quickly to offer klinsmann a lucrative deal.

Pair of :censored: do you know what i dont think well see them in Liverpool for a long time.
And how cheeky was Parry tonight turnin up id be movin to another country if i was him and askin to go into that protection programme thingy i dont think Rafas the dead man walkin i think Parry is :D
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Postby RUSHIE#9 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:46 am

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s@int wrote:. Latest story is the contract was on the table waiting to be signed, thats not an insurance policy, that was Klinsmann to take over !

As George Bush nearly said :- If someone fools you once, shame on them, if someone fools you twice, shame on you.

If they didn't want Rafa to go(not sacked), why bring it out now 2 months down the line? If they sack him it costs them £6million, if he walks it costs then nothing.

Are you serious Saint they had the contract on the table, if this is true it makes them even lower than they already are.

A provisional contract is understood to have been drawn up with Klinsmann there and then, though it seems to have been a subsequent drift of events – rather than a breakdown in negotiations between the parties – which contributed to Klinsmann not signing it.

Klinsmann never signed the contract with the Americans, probably because he knew his popularity would start off very low and would struggle to increase, and also probably when considering that if this sneaky way of doing business and managing key staff is how the American work, it was perhaps as well he steered clear.

Yer gotta give respect to Klinsmann in all this though the lad has kept his mouth shut.
As you say Saint it most prob opened his eyes to the way he could be trated if he accepted

Agree there with you NANNY.

Of this whole sorry mess the only one who is going to come out higher in my estimations is Klinsmann. Even though he could quite easily have used this to endear himself to the Bayern  fans even more (by claiming he turned down another European giant to join them) he decided to refute the stories.
Instead he left it to that Yank numb nuts to put his big fat :censored: cowboy boots squarely into his own gob by declaring to the world that YES HE DID GO BEHIND THE MANAGERS BACK PIMPING HIS JOB ABOUT!!   :veryangry
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Postby puroresu » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:21 am

Ciggy wrote:Here it is the pair of kunts where going to be found out so they had to come clean.

Graham Hunter reported this morning that Klinsmann was definitely offered the liverpool job.
Hunter was talking to Bayern officials at their winter training camp in spain about the klinsmann position and was briefed the following:

- Klinsmann had detailed talks with Hicks, and was assured that he would be taking over from Rafa at the end of the season
- Klinsmann started plans for the transition, including lining up his own men for back-up roles, including some 'new-age' type fellas he used with germany
- The talks went way beyond what hicks implied yesterday. The offer was definite, and was not some back-up insurance policy.
- When Bayern officials began to hear of this, they moved very quickly to offer klinsmann a lucrative deal.

That is totally believable.  The fact that Bayern appointed klinsmann out of nowhere tells u all u need to know. 

How anyone can swallow this insurance policy is beyond me.  Since when was Rafa going to Real this season?  Real Madrid have been top since the start of the season, doing well in the C. League and Schuster has them playing some great attacking football.  The only way he was leaving Madrid was if he walked out. 

I have no doubt the Yanks have tried to do some Damage control as they knew it was going to get leaked that Jurgen was in fact offered the Liverpool job.  It was just a matter of when they was going to get rid of rafa which was stopping klinsmaan taking over.

The yanks were never just going to get rid of rafa they needed an excuse to sack him.  If we would of went out of the CL I believe they would of sacked him.  Finishing 4th and not winning the CL is the reason they could use to sack him.

The funny thing is if the yanks wouldnt of said anything and Graham Hunter would of revealed oll the details many fans would of said "This is the press having agenda against LFC and just made up lies to undermine our season". 

This is as real as it gets and while Rafa may stay till the end of the season I think thats as far as it will go.  I feel sorry for the guy cos whenever we lose now this is matter is going to be emphasised non stop and the press will give him a real hard time.
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Postby Ciggy » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:31 am

MOTD reporter to Rafa:

Rafa how does it feel to a manager that has won the CL, been to the final twice, won the Uefa Cup, La Liga twice, the Super Cup, the Fa Cup.

Then be informed that they have offered your job to someone who has won absolutly nothing.

Rafas reply I am happy we won tonight and I am concentrating on beating Villa.

Im am more livid than yesterday when the news broke.
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Postby puroresu » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:33 am

Ciggy wrote:MOTD reporter to Rafa:

Rafa how does it feel to a manager that has won the CL, been to the final twice, won the Uefa Cup, La Liga twice, the Super Cup, the Fa Cup.

Then be informed that they have offered your job to someone who has won absolutly nothing.

Rafas reply I am happy we won tonight and I am concentrating on beating Villa.

Im am more livid than yesterday when the news broke.

the pressure going into the villa game will be immense.  This is a difficult game and one u would hope the management team and players could fully focus on but I dont believe that can happen.  Rafa is going to get asked the same questions over and over again.  Villa are playing us at the best time possible.
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Postby J*o*n*D*o*e » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:34 am

give credit to Klinsman, you lot have lost the plot if you believe for one minute he hasnt manipulated this situation to suit his own needs.

of course he isnt going to admit being offered the job and having talks behind Rafa`s back because then he`s just as big a :censored: as the other two.

tell you what hicks gillett and klinsman in an office having a discussion about him taking the liverpool job, who out of them three is more likely to leak it to the press, bingo klinsman gets offered the bayern job, yeah lets appluad him he`s a fooking genius.
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Postby NANNY RED » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:37 am

Ive got a feelin in me waters Rafa will still be with us next season hes not gonna walk not a chance ive watched his match interview Rafas a scouser now hes  learnt well how to dodge questions made me laugh.

And as far as them two :censored: go im gonna put money on them going before Rafa

Hopefully then we can Sheik Rafa and Roll
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Postby Ciggy » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:42 am

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:give credit to Klinsman, you lot have lost the plot if you believe for one minute he hasnt manipulated this situation to suit his own needs.

of course he isnt going to admit being offered the job and having talks behind Rafa`s back because then he`s just as big a :censored: as the other two.

tell you what hicks gillett and klinsman in an office having a discussion about him taking the liverpool job, who out of them three is more likely to leak it to the press, bingo klinsman gets offered the bayern job, yeah lets appluad him he`s a fooking genius.

He would not have turned down the Liverpool job if he thought he could be successfull at it.

He must have thought to himself are these two kunts having a laugh, Rafa is one of the most astute and respectable managers in Europe and we wouldnt have even got a UEFA Cup place with Jurgen thats why he said no thanx.

He must have thought G & H have lost the plot even asking him.
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Postby JoeTerp » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:45 am

I also am very confused at people's reactions on here.

It seemed 4 days ago that well we are out of the league, probably can never win the league with Rafa, Rafa Out

Now this story breaks, and everyone is behind Rafa and mad at the owners

Now I don't follow who is who in which side of the argument so I wont call anybody out and don't act like you are being called out, I am just going with the generally themes of the message board

Me however, am the opposite of both in that I want Rafa to stay, and also am not to worried or mad at this latest news, because at the end of the day nothing has changed, same owners, same manager, same problems (rotation, can't win in league, need to sell momo and kuyt, need to bring in top quality players instead of a bunch of medicore ones)  speaking of the last point, how much would Kompany have cost us in comparison to Skrtel?  That may not be fair though, considering we haven't even seen him play yet, and there would be legit questions on the other's ability to adapt to England, but there is no doubt in who is held in higher regard as the more promising young defensive talent.

What are the odds right now of Rafa starting next season as our manager? I would like a piece of that action, because I think he will stay, unless we really Eff the rest of our season up.
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Postby NANNY RED » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:51 am

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:give credit to Klinsman, you lot have lost the plot if you believe for one minute he hasnt manipulated this situation to suit his own needs.

of course he isnt going to admit being offered the job and having talks behind Rafa`s back because then he`s just as big a :censored: as the other two.

tell you what hicks gillett and klinsman in an office having a discussion about him taking the liverpool job, who out of them three is more likely to leak it to the press, bingo klinsman gets offered the bayern job, yeah lets appluad him he`s a fooking genius.

Hows he manipulated it this happend in November lad he could of came ut and said something then , He could have said something the other day but did he no.

These Yanks havnt gotta a clue about football why are they askin the opinion about English football to someone whose never managed an English team.

There that naieve about the game they most probebly thought lets mention we tried to get Klinsmann the ex German national team manager them Liverpool supporters will be well happy were trying to bring a big name to the club. Might be a big name in there eyes but not good enough for us. Theve came unstuck underestimating us and not bothering to check we always stick by our own
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Postby Pedro Maradona » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:57 am

it was clear that the story was going to break, hicks' damage limitation just about insulted the intelligence of every liverpool fan, imagining thinking that Liverpool supporters would buy such rubbish as we spoke to jurgen klinsmann to get his thoughts on the premier league and european football! My god this mans level of arrogance is actually blinding! God when i think of it...what was david moores thinking when he was selling the club to this guy??? He couldnt see through such comments as "man ham are our biggest rivals" ?? did the alarm bells not start ringing david??? these are the so called guardians of the club??? youre having a laugh david moores u really are!
I think David Moores is a misguided bufoon, Ive thought this a while, the longer this sorry saga goes on the more blatantly obvious it bcomes.
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Postby Ciggy » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:01 am

JoeTerp wrote:I also am very confused at people's reactions on here.

Well you would be Joe you live in America like our owners, no offence like lad.
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Postby NANNY RED » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:02 am

Ciggys just out a good piece up in another thread i nearly fell off me chair i was that exited its in Leons thread
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Postby JoeTerp » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:03 am

NANNY RED wrote:These Yanks havnt gotta a clue about football why are they askin the opinion about English football to someone whose never managed an English team.

I think you answered your own question there.  They talked to Klinsman because they don't have a clue.  He is probably one of the bigger high profile names in football management in America, at least to Americans who only very casually follow football, because he was linked with the National Team job when Bob Bradley (who is doing a very good job) was only an interim manager
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