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by **NANNY RED** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:50 am

Im absolutly gutted i decided not to go the match if there was some way i could get there now i would

Will Parry be there i wonder

by **skatesy** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:55 am

NANNY RED wrote:The fact that Rafa new about this in November and kept his mouth shut says it all

The man is loyal it just proves how much he loves this club and the supporters . Hes gone up in my estimation even more now

And we need to stick by him.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:03 am

The meeting with Klinsmann supposedly took place on November 23rd btw. Just before we beat Newcastle and just after we beat Besiktas and Fulham. So it's no wonder Rafa was narked.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:10 am

You've been of the belief for a while though that Rafa should have at the very least next season to develop a title winning side.
Has your position now changed?

Nope. That hasn't changed.

I see one of the following outcomes.

Rafa wins CL and ensures next seasons qualification = SAFE

Rafa fails to win CL and we don't finish 4th = DOOMED

Rafa fails to win CL but we finish 4th = MAY BE SAFE.

Secondly, I think the hysteria is perfectly legitimate. Hicks shouldn't have come out in the press, especially at at time of relative crisis, and explained how they lined up another manager to replace Rafa. Do you accept this?

I'd accept that Hicks could be criticised.

But not the level of hysteria I've seen today.

by **holylamb2006** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:23 am

“He is a very impressive man. We attempted to negotiate an option, as an insurance policy, to have him become our manager in the event Rafa decided to leave our club for Real Madrid or other clubs that were rumoured in the UK press, or in case our communication spiralled out of control for some reason.”

An impressive man

FREAKS !!!!

And no do not agree wat the yanks did basically behind Benitez' back !!!

I'd be offended if sumone did this to me ...... and where the hell is PARRY !!!!!

I find it surprising that he is not trying to stop the yanks from getting a new manager ...
He is the man who at the end of the day communicates with Benitez and the Yanks !!!!
Well imo i dnt really like him .. he's got a Lazy mentality ... and sure as hell aint trying to save RAFA his job !!

And please sumbody tell me how are these 2 knobs struggling to pay a loan of 200+ mil ??

I thought these 2 were ''Billionaires'' even if they get the loan sorted out
How in gods name will they be able to pay a 700+mill loan for a new stadium

?

Well i see them runnin this club into the ground by the looks of it !!!

G&H OUT !!!!!
PARRY OUT !!!!!

RAFA IN !!!!! :buttrock

by **heimdall** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:23 am

Pedro Maradona wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:
you think u would....yet again ur arrogance is astounding! how can you presume to destroy anyone o a political debate that you dont know....?

you arrogant t w at
you need to get a life u knobend!

You do realise right that ad hominem attacks are a clear sign that someone has absolutely no credible arguments, right?

honestly you should read some of the rubbish that you write.... its actually pathetic.....and patronising....go get a life! im sure u need a finer stage than a football forum to prove your no doubted genius.......

You're quite correct. I think I'll join the MENSA forums and offer my opinion regarding Rafa, Hicks and Gillett....then again I suppose I could just post those opinions on a Liverpool FC forum, where it belongs.

and if you read any of my posts did i say or advocate burning any flag?

The forum mod already asked for that discussion to end.

Which I have complied with.

It's a dead issue.

no i didnt, so get your facts right sunshine, I dont like the 2 americans and i dont the way they are running Liverpool Football club,

In that case, stop wasting your time making a fool of yourself by trying to insult me, and actually post something relevant to the thread.

nor do I like some of the things that have been done by the United States under the name of freedom.

The policies of the United States are irrelevant to this discussion and forum.

so get your facts straight and dont be so patronising.
as for a political debate....I wouldnt advice you to go down that route if i were u.......

Oh I tremble with fear.

wow!!! there is a surprise! another arrogant and patronising post from you....wow i bow to your incredible powers of intelligence...Im sure your mother is very proud of u, but have u any friends?

I like Manhatten, he's a good guy and so are most Americans I have ever met in my life so stop talking sh1t, and don't attack America just becuase of Hicks and Gillet, that is stupid and moronic.
Hicks and Gillet are :censored:

but you find their sort in every country in the world not just America.

I find myself in a slightly weird situation because I still want Rafa out, here comes that popularity award again

, but I actually want these incompetent d1ckhead owners out more. To come out and admit to having talks with Klinsman is incredible and I can only assume that this is leading up to them selling as they can't possibly continue now.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:37 am

Rafa's a big boy, he would have known back during the CL crisis that something would have happened had we been knocked out. Had Hicks revealed that he was talking to Jose, I would have been OK with it. My problem is that they were talking to Klinsmann who, as a manager, has accomplished nothing.

by **holylamb2006** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:40 am

My problem is that they were talking to Klinsmann who, as a manager, has accomplished nothing

Ah i'll give ya that one ....

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:43 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:I'd accept that Hicks could be criticised.

But not the level of hysteria I've seen today.

There is a certain way to conduct yourself as a Chairman and 'Custodian' of a football club, coming out in the media and stating how you had lined up another manager during the existing tenure of your current manager, is not the way to conduct yourself. As a club we can do without as much media coverage as possible right now, and if he's unaware of the state of affairs, he shouldn't be our owner.
Trying to line up another manager, on the basis that they believed Rafa might have left us, is unacceptable. Rafa's said time and time again that he has absolutely no intention of leave us, he rejected Real Madrid, his home club twice FFS!

If they can't communicate with our manager effectively, they shouldn't be our owners. There is no excuse for making an approach to another manager whilst Rafa was still in charge, but then to make this public knowledge at this particular time, is a poor, poor error of judgement. Whether it was Klinnsmann or not is largely irrelevant, the fact that it was Klinnsmann they approached suggests they lack sufficient knowledge about the game.

The Burn the flag etc.. is not on, and that is going OTT.

by **holylamb2006** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:43 am

OH NO .....

Agger just got another injury set-back :angry:

Now this has made me extra angry :angry:

by **The Manhattan Project** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:50 am

There is a certain way to conduct yourself as a Chairman and 'Custodian' of a football club, coming out in the media and stating how you had lined up another manager during the existing tenure of your current manager, is not the way to conduct yourself.

I'm not sure I agree with that.

I think Hicks has shown a level of ruthlessness which I kinda like.

If they get the finances for the stadium and new players in place, I don't mind them being cut-throat with anyone they think isn't taking the club forward in terms of results.

The "dictator" model is the best one for football.

by **holylamb2006** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:51 am

And wenger said everton is a more difficult task then Liverpool :angry:

I hate wenger he thinks he's perfect in almost ever thing to do with football !!!

Ye thats y u only drew 1-1 with us and bet everton 3-1 .... Ye real clever thing to say !!!

He obviously doesnt like Rafa ...

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:52 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:Rafa's a big boy, he would have known back during the CL crisis that something would have happened had we been knocked out. Had Hicks revealed that he was talking to Jose, I would have been OK with it. My problem is that they were talking to Klinsmann who, as a manager, has accomplished nothing.

I am no "in Rafa we trust " fan Manhatten, but to say that he knew something would happen if we didn't qualify for the knockout stages is a bit harsh mate. At that time our priority was the league anyway (fans viewpoint anyway) and we certainly were in with a chance at that time.

I don't think that H&G were talking with Klinsmann because of how badly we were doing mate, more likely because Rafa had asked for transfer funds and exposed their financial problems in so doing.

Not qualifying for the CL is a problem, not getting to the knockout stage should not be seen as failure, in my book anyway.

To be honest mate, if they had been talking to Wenger , Ferguson or whoever is the best manager on earth, it WOULD STILL HAVE BEEN A SLY C*NTS TRICK, in my opinion anyway.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:55 am

I am no "in Rafa we trust " fan Manhatten, but to say that he knew something would happen if we didn't qualify for the knockout stages is a bit harsh mate. At that time our priority was the league anyway (fans viewpoint anyway) and we certainly were in with a chance at that time.

I don't think that H&G were talking with Klinsmann because of how badly we were doing mate, more likely because Rafa had asked for transfer funds and exposed their financial problems in so doing.

Not qualifying for the CL is a problem, not getting to the knockout stage should not be seen as failure, in my book anyway.

To be honest mate, if they had been talking to Wenger , Ferguson or whoever is the best manager on earth, it WOULD STILL HAVE BEEN A SLY C*NTS TRICK, in my opinion anyway.

It's the financial pressure perhaps of the CL. It's vital that teams qualify for the latter phases. I said on a different thread that the Champions League has become a monster that's eating European football with each passing season.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:02 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:
I am no "in Rafa we trust " fan Manhatten, but to say that he knew something would happen if we didn't qualify for the knockout stages is a bit harsh mate. At that time our priority was the league anyway (fans viewpoint anyway) and we certainly were in with a chance at that time.

I don't think that H&G were talking with Klinsmann because of how badly we were doing mate, more likely because Rafa had asked for transfer funds and exposed their financial problems in so doing.

Not qualifying for the CL is a problem, not getting to the knockout stage should not be seen as failure, in my book anyway.

To be honest mate, if they had been talking to Wenger , Ferguson or whoever is the best manager on earth, it WOULD STILL HAVE BEEN A SLY C*NTS TRICK, in my opinion anyway.

It's the financial pressure perhaps of the CL. It's vital that teams qualify for the latter phases. I said on a different thread that the Champions League has become a monster that's eating European football with each passing season.

But surely if it was to do with the financial pressure of the CL, once we were out of it the pressure should be on getting back into it next season. ie no point crying over spilt milk, even Mourinho couldnt get us back into it this season if we had failed to qualify. So it should have been about can Rafa get us back in. Our league position and points at the time would suggest that he could.

Rafa has a record second to none in the CL. So if it was about that surely they had the best man anyway.

Rafa's a big boy, he would have known back during the CL crisis that something would have happened had we been knocked out.

Failing To Qualify Not The End Of The World-Rafa
By Mighty Reds November 4 2007

Liverpool manager,Rafa Benitez, has stated that it won’t be the end of the world if Liverpool get knocked out of the Champions League, but he believes that his team can turn it around and get through to the knockout stages if they have enough belief in themselves. Rafa said: "Am I surprised that we are in this situation? No. In this competition if you make one mistake you can be in trouble and that has happened," said Benitez.

"Because of our past achievements, if we go out now people would say it is the end of something.

"But if we lose it is not the end of the world, and if we do the right things against Besiktas and win then we have the confidence to go forward and win again - we will have momentum.

"If we cannot win these three games and finish in the UEFA Cup, then we must accept that.

"I am not going to drive myself crazy by thinking about the permutations - you can't do anything about the other teams until you play them. But it is a time to believe."

The prestige of advancing to the latter stages of Europe's elite competition is not the only reason the Reds will be keen to win at home to Turkish outfit, with Benitez admitting that it would also go some way to boosting the Anfield coffers.

"It's important to win in terms of the financial situation," he said.

"We know the Besiktas game is really important but if you approach the game under pressure you will make mistakes. We need to win but we must play with confidence.

"If we qualify it will be much easier with money, but our long-term plan doesn't depend on this competition."

Obviously Rafa doesn't agree with you mate

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