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by **Emerald Red** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:48 pm

Bamaga man wrote:
Torres 2007 wrote:Sam Allardyce?

This aint a Liverpool supporter.

This kunt needs banning for that.

HAHAHA

That made me laugh so hard. Quality.

Right, who wants a cup of tea?

by **zarababe** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:49 pm

Parry's gutless - hiking up his own coffers - weak excuse for a CE - know one has backed the Manager since all this speculation it's utterly disgraceful !

by **hello_red** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:52 pm

Dundalk wrote:
hello_red wrote:Just watched This Is Anfield and they had some very good points.

Like what, I didnt see it.

Who was on?

John Bishop and David Johnson.

It was as you would expect about the Klinsman thing and the team performances recently.

About Klinsman the gist was that it is done and dusted and they probably fuct up with how they handled but the americans have only been here for a wet weekend nad havnt had a clear day to sort :censored:

out since november. They did tak to Jurgen but in an american way, not to undermine rafa but to assure a manager if rafa did walk.

They came out to the press to hopefully put to rest any rumours and its obviously back fired.

Now i take that with a pinch of salt.

But as David Johnson and John Bishop said its time to leave this debacle behind. I am, cant be arsed with the stress get enough at work.

by **Dundalk** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:54 pm

hello_red wrote:But as David Johnson and John Bishop said its time to leave this debacle behind.

Cheers hello red but I think it will be a long time before all of this will be left behind

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:54 pm

Never mind the scarlett pimpernell cigg if hes missin much longer he should be :censored:

called Lord Lucan mate.

couldnt even eat me tea tonight felt sick to me stomach with whats goin on . Mind you in my eyes this has been a time bomb waitin to go off
As soon a these (theres not even a name for them) came in to this club i knew they would turn us over one way or the other and as far as Parry goes he should do the only decent thing and resign for his part in this.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:57 pm

Whether Rafa stays or goes, after all this I think the 3 clowns have burned their bridges as far as most Liverpool fans are concerned.

I just wonder if they released this news at this time to divert attention away from their struggle to get funding and there failure to give the go ahead for the new stadium. Other than that the only reason I can see is to put pressure on Rafa to go.

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:59 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Torres 2007 wrote:Sam Allardyce?

This aint a Liverpool supporter.

This kunt needs banning for that.

HAHAHA

That made me laugh so hard. Quality.

Right, who wants a cup of tea?

Ill have one and a ciggarette aswell

Sorry cigg you must be dying for one with the stress

by **hello_red** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:59 pm

Dundalk wrote:
hello_red wrote:But as David Johnson and John Bishop said its time to leave this debacle behind.

Cheers hello red but I think it will be a long time before all of this will be left behind

Very true.

Im a mellow guy and this is affecting my mellow

It will take a while and they will have to show there hand in a very positive way like supporting Rafa in the transfer market very reasonably indeed.

by **ClONMEL_RED** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:01 am

Rafa is a really good manager in his own right......he won us the European Cup and you can never take that away from him, ya we would all like him to stay and win the epl but nothing in the last 4 yrs suggests we are even close, gone by xmas as usual...........His treatment by the Americans has not been nice.....not at all...but stop with all the anti american :censored:

........ G AND H didnt buy liverpool to screw us over nor themselves...... everyone is jumping down their back......in their first pre season ( had little time to get a feel for the club )they delivered a player i didnt think we could ever afford , 22mill plus for Torres.........and Babel for 10mill, under david moores we had to settle for the likes of Heskey for 11mill...........
G AND H look like decent men...stop trying to blame the yanks for all this trouble...... just look at benitez presistence with voronin ahead of crouch ------ Arrogance..... decides crouch is not good enough and wont backtrack...benitez is a likeable man....... but he is a dead man walking
He hasnt achieved was expected....... if g and h say it time to go.....they own the club and they sure as hell are not going to mess up their own asset if they dont think it is correct........
We just have to trust them....... show them a bit of support too like.... Everyone is entitled to their opinion. it is wierd that alot of ppl wanted benitez gone at the weekend and now they want to keep him.......

by **hello_red** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:03 am

Just to comfirm im not backing the owners.

by **puroresu** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:03 am

ClONMEL_RED wrote:Rafa is a really good manager in his own right......he won us the European Cup and you can never take that away from him, ya we would all like him to stay and win the epl but nothing in the last 4 yrs suggests we are even close, gone by xmas as usual...........His treatment by the Americans has not been nice.....not at all...but stop with all the anti american ........ G AND H didnt buy liverpool to screw us over nor themselves...... everyone is jumping down their back......in their first pre season ( had little time to get a feel for the club )they delivered a player i didnt think we could ever afford , 22mill plus for Torres.........and Babel for 10mill, under david moores we had to settle for the likes of Heskey for 11mill...........
G AND H look like decent men...stop trying to blame the yanks for all this trouble...... just look at benitez presistence with voronin ahead of crouch ------ Arrogance..... decides crouch is not good enough and wont backtrack...benitez is a likeable man....... but he is a dead man walking
He hasnt achieved was expected....... if g and h say it time to go.....they own the club and they sure as hell are not going to mess up their own asset if they dont think it is correct........
We just have to trust them....... show them a bit of support too like.... Everyone is entitled to their opinion. it is wierd that alot of ppl wanted benitez gone at the weekend and now they want to keep him.......

I still want Rafa to be gone. However I dont like all this madness. Still Rafa should never have went public originally when he had problems with the yanks. I dont blame the yanks for the poor league campaign. Thats down to the manager and his failed again.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:11 am

If its for purely football reasons , thats one thing, if its for anything else which it appears to be with G&H THEN THATS SOMETHING ELSE ALTOGETHER. If next summer they came forward, said, "we gave Rafa a bit of a go things didn't work out with the results so we are now looking for a manager. We thank Rafa for all the hard work etc etc." I think people would have accepted that, but the underhand , sneaking, sly an totally undermining way they have gone about things is just not on.

Just to confirm I am not backing the owners, and have had my doubts about them for some while.

by **bigmick** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:16 am

It's clearly a terrible situation Rafa finds himself in, and the fact that he's clearly (if you read his quotes, "dead man walking" etc etc) known about this for some time makes my heart go out to him. Football considerations totally aside, you wouldn't treat a dog like the way he has been handled, and those who at the centre of it should hang their heads in shame, not just as football club owners but as human beings.

I've been consistently critical of the manager on many occasions, but I hope his stubborness comes to the fore now and he resists the temptation to walk away "by mutual agreement" with a golden handshake. If the feckers are to get rid of him, make the c...s sack him so at last and least we can have a bit of honesty restored to the situation.

FWIW I'm not in the least bit surprised they were considering their options, I said so in the Capello thread. I said at the time that when he indicated that the owners had approached him I was fairly sure that they probably had. Similarly, the Klinnsman story had too much smoke to have no fire in it's roots, while I have maintained for some time now that Mourinho will have at the very least been discussed, and quite possibly approached about future possibilities. None of that in itself is earth shattering stuff IMHO, clubs do that with players and managers before they approach them. What is absolutely deplorable though is that this buffoon has decided, out of the blue and as the story was blowing over to release this snippet of news. It was surely designed for only one purpose, and that was to undermine the manager yet again. It is frankly sickening and they fully deserve the hostile reception they will recieve should they dare to set foot inside Anfield again.

The one good thing about the whole situation is that hopefully we are now entering the end-game stage. Step one should be for the team to run up a cricket score against Luton tonight, and after each goal ALL THE PLAYERS SHOULD CONVERGE ON THE BENCH TO EMBRACE THE MANAGER. This struggle now is beyond the future of Rafael Benitez, it is for the future of the club and for the integrity of English football. Two fools from accross the pond simply cannot be allowed to destroy the finest club in the land. Sabre is correct, it makes no difference who is the manager while these two are in charge of the club. Like a cancer, they need to be cut out, and fast.

by **66-1112520797** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:20 am

Liverpool manager is furious over talks with Klinsmann

By David Bond

LIVERPOOL manager Rafael Benitez is understood to be considering whether to launch a legal action against the club’s co-owner Tom Hicks after he made the startling admission that he tried to line up Jurgen Klinsmann to replace him.
Although Hicks claims the move for the former Germany manager was an “insurance policy” in case Benitez walked out on Anfield, the Spaniard is now weighing up whether he can sue the Dallas billionaire for constructive dismissal.
He is said to be furious at what he sees as another attempt to undermine his position, which comes just one month after Hicks and co-chairman George Gillett reassured Benitez that he had their full support.
But following Hicks’ comments, in an interview with the Liverpool Echo, the Spaniard’s position now looks untenable.
Hicks said: “We attempted to negotiate an option as an insurance policy to have him [Klinsmann] become manager if Rafael left for Real Madrid or other clubs that were rumoured in the press - or in case our communication spiralled out of control for some reason.
“We never reached agreement on an option with Jurgen, and we are both pleased for him that he has a great opportunity to return to Germany and coach a great club team.”
The confirmation that an approach was made to hire the former Tottenham striker, who has now agreed to take over at Bayern Munich at the end of the season, is all the more damaging for Benitez as it was reports linking Klinsmann with his job which prompted the November stand-off with Hicks and Gillett.
Benitez’s attack on the Americans over a perceived lack of support in the transfer market led to Hicks and Gillett slapping him down, telling him to “quit talking about new players”.
Since their meeting in mid December, Hicks claims relations have greatly improved with Benitez.
He added: “After George and I had our long and productive meeting with Rafa following the Manchester United match, we put all of our issues behind us and received Rafa’s commitment that he wanted to stay with Liverpool. Rafa
has both of our support, and our communication has greatly improved.”
But the Klinsmann revelation would appear to confirm Benitez’s fears that he will be sacked at the end of the season.
And if he were to be sacked or successfully claim wrongful dismissal then he would be entitled to around pounds 6?million in compensation for the two years outstanding on his contract.
The timing of Hicks’ comments is all the more surprising given the financial uncertainty at the club.
A pounds 350?million deal to refinance the Americans’ borrowings used to buy the club last February is still not concluded. But Hicks yesterday insisted: “It’s probably taken two to three months longer than if the markets had been healthy. It’s going to close by the end of the week.”

IF THE breathtaking admission by Liverpool’s American co-owner Tom Hicks Monday that the
club tried to recruit Jurgen Klinsmann as a back-up for Rafa Benitez was designed to bring an end to speculation over the Spaniard’s future then it was a spectacular
own goal.
Benitez, who has tried to distance himself from reports that he believed he was heading for the sack at the end of the season, can be in no doubt now that he is a dead man walking.
But the far bigger question is whether Hicks and his co-owner George Gillett will still be around to pull the trigger.
A pounds 350?million refinancing deal with the Royal Bank of Scotland and American investment bank Wachovia remains unsigned, despite Hicks insisting yesterday that the deal will be closed by the
end of this week.
A City source echoed that upbeat view yesterday, telling The Daily Telegraph that the two banks were confident of doing a deal if not this week then by the end of next.
Having put on hold plans to borrow pounds 300?million to finish the new 70,000-seater stadium at Stanley Park, Hicks and Gillett are trying to borrow pounds 350?million to refinance a one-year loan
with RBS which paid for their pounds 220?million takeover last February. They also want another pounds 60?million to provide working capital to get the
new stadium at Stanley Park
under way and pounds 20?million
to refinance loans used to purchase players in the summer.
The club’s net debt is thought to be around pounds 270?million but there is resistance from within Liverpool to the owners’ plans to transfer the liability for that from their own personal assets in the US to the club’s own balance sheet.
Talks with the banks also broke down in December amid concerns over the Americans’ ability to put up around pounds 150?million in cash and personal guarantees to secure the new loans.
With less than six weeks before the original loan with RBS runs out, Hicks and Gillett know their grip on the club is under serious threat.
At a board meeting in
New York last week, the club delayed a decision on a final design for the new stadium and amid all the uncertainty there has been growing speculation that Dubai International Capital,
the investment company bankrolled by Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid
al-Maktoum, is ready to launch a fresh takeover bid.
Hicks and Gillett have already held talks with
DIC about selling them a
15 per cent stake in the club last November to help bring pounds 150?million of fresh investment into the club.
As first reported in this newspaper on Dec 20, that deal collapsed after DIC pulled out, claiming Hicks’ pounds 1?billion valuation of the club was unrealistic.
But talks did reach an advanced stage and, despite dismissing weekend reports that DIC were set to make an offer, a deal cannot be ruled out.
Hicks continues to insist that outside forces are trying to destabilise Liverpool.
But by making such
naive comments about the approach for Klinsmann, it is clear the Dallas billionaire
is unaware of the chaos that
is actually being caused by those in charge at Anfield.
Judging by the response
to Hicks’ latest remarks on
the Liverpool fans’ forums yesterday, there can be no doubt who the supporters blame for the latest crisis.
One online poll revealed that Gillett and Hicks now have the backing of just over one per cent of the fans, with 83 per cent calling for DIC
to take over as owners.
The support for Benitez to continue as manager was equally overwhelming.
Everything now hinges on whether Hicks and Gillett can deliver on their promise to bring financial stability back to the club. If they succeed then Benitez is on borrowed time. Should they fail then the Spaniard may find he soon has new masters to impress.

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:22 am

ClONMEL_RED wrote:Rafa is a really good manager in his own right......he won us the European Cup and you can never take that away from him, ya we would all like him to stay and win the epl but nothing in the last 4 yrs suggests we are even close, gone by xmas as usual...........His treatment by the Americans has not been nice.....not at all...but stop with all the anti american ........ G AND H didnt buy liverpool to screw us over nor themselves...... everyone is jumping down their back......in their first pre season ( had little time to get a feel for the club )they delivered a player i didnt think we could ever afford , 22mill plus for Torres.........and Babel for 10mill, under david moores we had to settle for the likes of Heskey for 11mill...........
G AND H look like decent men...stop trying to blame the yanks for all this trouble...... just look at benitez presistence with voronin ahead of crouch ------ Arrogance..... decides crouch is not good enough and wont backtrack...benitez is a likeable man....... but he is a dead man walking
He hasnt achieved was expected....... if g and h say it time to go.....they own the club and they sure as hell are not going to mess up their own asset if they dont think it is correct........
We just have to trust them....... show them a bit of support too like.... Everyone is entitled to their opinion. it is wierd that alot of ppl wanted benitez gone at the weekend and now they want to keep him.......

Theres a few of us one here lad who have never trusted them i am one of them and have stated openly many times they have to earn trust. So far mate since theve been here theve done nothing to justify this. Today lad with a open statement like they have made theve shot themselves in the foot without any help from us.

Why did they have to go public with the sneaky dealings behind Rafas back. Klinnsmann never said publicly hed had a meeting with them so why did they have to come out and say it. Its stinks lad end of

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