Liverpool FC Forum

by **skatesy** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:39 pm

It is so disappointing to see the state that Liverpool FC is in right now. Especially when you consider all of the high hopes after the off-season, with the new signings (specifically Torres) and the bright start to the year and the, generally, good position that Liverpool was in during the first half of the season...and now this. It is just so sad.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:05 pm

My first thoughts concerning the reports that appeared a few days ago linking Klinssman with the job were, 'what the fuck has Klinnsmann achieved in club management?'.

To now know that the owners actually had him lined up as Rafa's replacement, in the event that Rafa left, is absolutely ridiculous and underlines their limited knowledge of the game.

The guy has a German/Californian accent, they obviously found him easier to communicate with than Rafa.

What I find odd is that Rafa repeatedly underlined his desire to stay with us, 'My club, my supporters, my city'. How could Rafa have made it any clearer that he didn't want to go anywhere?

The yanks clearly have a lot to learn if they want to last in English football. You don't come out in the press and undermine the position of the manager like this, it's poor conduct. They shouldn't have offered any job of any sort in any type of deal to Klinnsmann in any scenario for the foreseeable future in any case, but to then make this public knowledge is an insult to Rafa IMHO. I really do wonder if they know what they've let themselves in for.

I don't care if you're not happy with the progress we've made under Rafa's tenure, the conduct of our owners is unacceptable and everybody should be acknowledging this.

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:06 pm

I want these two massive wankers out of our club ASAP!

They have three ways of redeeming themselves, and only all three will do. One is to come out publicly to state that Rafa is the man and then kiss his shiny forehead in front of the press and the cameras; two is to then hand Rafa a big massive check to go off and spend on shiny new players; and three is to sack Parry then kick him in the tools in front of the press and their cameras.

Alas, they are Yanks and have too much of an ego to say sorry in that manner. They don't have the cash they said they had. And Parry is a snake in the grass that would slime his way out of any sort of kick in the balls.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:07 pm

time to mass email the club I think, FAO Rick Parry...

opening line...

Oi cu.nt,

by **lakes10** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:14 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
s@int wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
redmikey wrote:we need a show of fan power like a boycott of the luton game in support of the manager and the clubs future

sorry thats , the only thing it would do is to get the players down even more.

sack him and get it over and done with, we know its coming so just do it and then we can get on with the football.

Lakes

1/ you are supposed to wait till someone is dead before you bury them

2/ you dont then sing and dance on their grave

3/ show a bit of respect mate

Saint i am just fed up with our club having on their face, the owners are a joke and if Rafa had learnt from the last 3 years in the pream we would not be in this state today.

I can not see how Rafa can stay at the club now, i can not see how the owners can ever win back the fans.

I am sick to see the club this way and would love to see a end to it all, and the only way i can see this is for Rafa to go now and put a new managewr in and then sell the club AGAIN.

sorry i am a bit off with it all today. I would love to bump into Parry and the owners right now, i could show then what anger management is not.

Lakes, you are a bellend lad.

I thought you worked in stress management ?

Jesus H Christ.

So if we where higher up the league Hicks would not have the subtelty of a rapist ?

Get a grip.

How is the best thing to do right now get rid of the only man who seems dignified in his stance on this issue ?

How is the best thing to do right now get rid of the only man who seems dignified in his stance on this issue ?

well the bottom line is mate, i dont think he can cut it in the Prem. In the CL yes in the prem no.

I hate they way the club has been treated by the yanks but i can not stand up and say Rafa should stay when i feel he is not doing a great job at the club.
Liverpool fc has always been about being the best club in England and i dont think Rafa has made many steps towards putting us back on top.

if you are happy with 4th of 3rd spot in England and see Man u win more league titles than us, then great keep him, yes we might win a few cups over the next few years but i dont think its better that the league titles.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:15 pm

lakes10 wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
s@int wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
redmikey wrote:we need a show of fan power like a boycott of the luton game in support of the manager and the clubs future

sorry thats , the only thing it would do is to get the players down even more.

sack him and get it over and done with, we know its coming so just do it and then we can get on with the football.

Lakes

1/ you are supposed to wait till someone is dead before you bury them

2/ you dont then sing and dance on their grave

3/ show a bit of respect mate

Saint i am just fed up with our club having on their face, the owners are a joke and if Rafa had learnt from the last 3 years in the pream we would not be in this state today.

I can not see how Rafa can stay at the club now, i can not see how the owners can ever win back the fans.

I am sick to see the club this way and would love to see a end to it all, and the only way i can see this is for Rafa to go now and put a new managewr in and then sell the club AGAIN.

sorry i am a bit off with it all today. I would love to bump into Parry and the owners right now, i could show then what anger management is not.

Lakes, you are a bellend lad.

I thought you worked in stress management ?

Jesus H Christ.

So if we where higher up the league Hicks would not have the subtelty of a rapist ?

Get a grip.

How is the best thing to do right now get rid of the only man who seems dignified in his stance on this issue ?

How is the best thing to do right now get rid of the only man who seems dignified in his stance on this issue ?

well the bottom line is mate, i dont think he can cut it in the Prem. In the CL yes in the prem no.

I hate they way the club has been treated by the yanks but i can not stand up and say Rafa should stay when i feel he is not doing a great job at the club.
Liverpool fc has always been about being the best club in England and i dont think Rafa has made many steps towards putting us back on top.

if you are happy with 4th of 3rd spot in England and see Man u win more league titles than us, then great keep him, yes we might win a few cups over the next few years but i dont think its better that the league titles.

all that bollox aside, he's still our manager so get behind him! :buttrock

by **lakes10** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:18 pm

Lee J wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
s@int wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
redmikey wrote:we need a show of fan power like a boycott of the luton game in support of the manager and the clubs future

sorry thats , the only thing it would do is to get the players down even more.

sack him and get it over and done with, we know its coming so just do it and then we can get on with the football.

Lakes

1/ you are supposed to wait till someone is dead before you bury them

2/ you dont then sing and dance on their grave

3/ show a bit of respect mate

Saint i am just fed up with our club having on their face, the owners are a joke and if Rafa had learnt from the last 3 years in the pream we would not be in this state today.

I can not see how Rafa can stay at the club now, i can not see how the owners can ever win back the fans.

I am sick to see the club this way and would love to see a end to it all, and the only way i can see this is for Rafa to go now and put a new managewr in and then sell the club AGAIN.

sorry i am a bit off with it all today. I would love to bump into Parry and the owners right now, i could show then what anger management is not.

Lakes, you are a bellend lad.

I thought you worked in stress management ?

Jesus H Christ.

So if we where higher up the league Hicks would not have the subtelty of a rapist ?

Get a grip.

How is the best thing to do right now get rid of the only man who seems dignified in his stance on this issue ?

How is the best thing to do right now get rid of the only man who seems dignified in his stance on this issue ?

well the bottom line is mate, i dont think he can cut it in the Prem. In the CL yes in the prem no.

I hate they way the club has been treated by the yanks but i can not stand up and say Rafa should stay when i feel he is not doing a great job at the club.
Liverpool fc has always been about being the best club in England and i dont think Rafa has made many steps towards putting us back on top.

if you are happy with 4th of 3rd spot in England and see Man u win more league titles than us, then great keep him, yes we might win a few cups over the next few years but i dont think its better that the league titles.

all that bollox aside, he's still our manager so get behind him!

Sorry i can say i feel sorry for him in the way he has been treated but i can not get behind him to stay at the club if i dont think he should be there.

the owners have been looking for sometime to get rid of him and i think that is very clear now, but the way they have done it is very poor and they should just :censored:

of back to ice hockey.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:24 pm

the face of a yankee doodle, jumped up, never come down, good for nothing, lying, cheating, dirty, armadillo sh@gging, mother fking, inbred son of a b!tch, who happens to know sweet fk all about football.

I wanna see a formal apologie to rafa on the .tv site NOW YOU B@STARD FK PIG!

(was that ok? I tried to Lando it up a bit

)

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:31 pm

Seriously where the feck is David moores in all of this ? iI hope to god he's trying to sort it out behind the scenes , looks bad on him aswell.

by **Sabre** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:41 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Seriously where the feck is David moores in all of this ? iI hope to god he's trying to sort it out behind the scenes , looks bad on him aswell.

According to Pako Aiestaran, or at least what I understood, he can't do much. Pako saw crying Mr. Moores when he left it was a difficult decission to leave the managing. According to him now he feels like a stranger in the club's office.

He said all that to explain that sometimes the club is above the individuals, and sometimes to step back is the right thing to do. I wonder what Pako thinks about this now.

by **tommycockles** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:42 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Seriously where the feck is David moores in all of this ? iI hope to god he's trying to sort it out behind the scenes , looks bad on him aswell.

yeah i agree- Slimy Parry has his fat pay cheque to pick up each month (and expensive time-shares to fund) but Moores has made a mint out of selling it to Laurel and Hardy instead of DIC - he should at least show some loyalty to the club and the fans and do all in his powers to make up for his mistake.

Moores (who i have nothing against) and Parry should be ashamed and owe something back to the club that have given them so much - Rafa aside the club is a joke and needs sorting from the top.

by **parchpea** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:52 pm

I agree that Moores is at the root of this whole mess.

This is the guy that did the dirty on DIC by speaking with the yanks last minute and this upset them so much they bailed out leaving him with no option but sell too them given he didnt have another bid or the money to go it alone.

We then have these two yanks running the show and quite frankly they have no clue what they are getting into and alongside them is Parry whom himself has done nothing to move the club forward since he started working at Liverpool.

To add insult to injury we have a manager struggling to find a solution to the premiership, and behind him are these three duckeggs running around looking at plans to build a ground they can then can afford, and all of them bickering and arguing and backstabbing each other so none of them carry the can for the whole god damn mess.

In short they have ALL played their part in this tragic performance, and for my money all the main characters should be ousted and a new staff from top to bottom brought in to try and get things back on track with a new and fresh outlook.

The worst thing of all is it is the fans that suffer the most as the yanks, parry and benitez will walk away and get very good jobs and live a happy and wealthy life beyond it, but we are here forever and must deal with the trainwreck they have left behind every single day in hope it can be fixed and returned to former glories.

by **Bermenstein** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:54 pm

Consummate clowns Tom Hicks and George Gillette are turning Liverpool FC into the footballing equivalent a three-ring circus, and Hicks’ latest ill-advised public comments are yet more evidence that this particular Texas Cowboy has no idea what being the owner of Liverpool FC means.

In a completely unnecessary, undermining public interview, Hicks has revealed the worst kept secret in Liverpool’s recent history: Jurgen Klinnsman was approached to replace Rafa:

‘In November, when it appeared we were in danger of not advancing in the Champions League, weren't playing well in our Premier League matches, and Rafa and we were having communication issues over the January transfer window, George and I met with Jurgen Klinsmann to learn as much as we could about English and European football”

Indeed, yes. The obvious man to teach the Texas Cowboys about English football is someone who lives in California, has never managed a club team and has no contact whatsoever with the modern English game! Is this not the flimsiest, most tenuous reasoning imaginable?! Hicks continued:

"He is a very impressive man. We attempted to negotiate an option, as an insurance policy, to have him become our manager in the event Rafa decided to leave our club for Real Madrid or other clubs that were rumoured in the UK press, or in case our communication spiralled out of control for some reason”.

So – our illustrious owners allow the notoriously biased and sensationalist British press to dictate their major decisions?! Basically, they’re saying that The Sun said Real Madrid was interested in Rafa, so we decided to look for his replacement. Absolutely pathetic! If this is a snapshot of their business awareness and acumen, I genuinely fear for our club.

Of course, the reality is it’s just another excuse masking the reality: They wanted Klinnsman to replace Rafa. Hicks further added:

"Rafa has both of our support, and our communication has greatly improved”."Foster, Rick Parry and Rafa now have regular meetings at Melwood on Monday mornings. The two families always try to have a telephonic meeting on Monday afternoons, so we all are on the same page. We all want to win more games."

We all want to win more games? To coin a uniquely American phrase - no sh.it. If winning games is Hicks’ only criterion for success though, then Rafa might as well pack his bags right now.

Hicks’ simplistic attitude will be a problem for any Manager taking the hotseat – winning games is great but taking the long term view and considering the club’s progress in the proper context is more important. It can’t just be ‘We aint winnin’games so it’s ‘bout darn time for a new coach’.

Before Hicks arrived in a blaze of glory, the club had gone 115 years without the ignominy of internal strife being splashed across the media. There had never been a situation where the Chairman had criticised the Manager in public. The possibility of a Chairman engaging in public warfare with a Manager was an alien concept.

In just ten months associated with the club, Hicks has destroyed this long-standing harmony with key involvement in a very public spat and endless negative interviews splashed across the worldwide media.

Hicks has taken a Chainsaw to Liverpool’s exemplary media practices and turned the club into a laughing stock. As such, in my view, the Texan cowboy is not fit to run Liverpool FC; he is not deserving of the honour and privilege of owning the club and he is woefully bereft of the personal qualities needed to be an effective leader and ambassador.

Criticising the Manager and the team in public is a cardinal sin. Discussing potential Managerial changes in public is destabilizing. Hicks should have learned from his mistakes after the recent public debacle, but his latest comments prove that he has learned NOTHING.

by **puroresu** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:08 pm

Why did Rafa public criticizing the board? I really didn't that was necessary and something Managers shouldn't do.

DIC must be looking at this and have a cheeky smile. We screwed them out of a deal when in principle it was all agreed and now a few months later the club looks in turmoil.

by **username** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:10 pm

shocking, hopefuly DIC can come save us...

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