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Postby Sabre » Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:06 pm

Last thing I've known about Klinsmann is that he was ready to get the Bosnia-Herzegovina job, but his wages were too high so they have hired Meho Kodro, a former Bosnian player.

I'd be surprised if Klinsmann made it to a great club that easily and after showing nothing at club level.
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Postby red37 » Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:29 pm

Sabre wrote:I'd be surprised if Klinsmann made it to a great club that easily and after showing nothing at club level.

So would i.

Smokescreen or complete bollox across the board. Either way Klinsmann isn't ready for a job of that magnitude.
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Postby welsh wizzard » Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:55 pm

Feckinnnnn great might get a new stadium by 2030, the whole episode lately is like billy smarts circus. Why ain't the owners come out and stated its all shitttteee. They are not doing themselves any favours. Never wanted them in first place!! Gillette knew he was into deep when he asked hicks to join him.

Then we got all the shittteeee saying we are gona be best team in the world, best stadium, with major transfer budget for rafa to buy who he wants. lollllllllll

So maybe just maybe Rafa got peeeeeeeeeeeddddddddd off with these wankkkkk yanksssss for promising the world and nothing coming of it.

Yes they financed torres deal but come on don't forget about money brought in from transfers out.

We are a laughing stock "Rafa is having to justify himself all the time at the moment" Whilst the clowns are in the U.S.A. learnin how to do more tricks!! Tosssersssss!!!!!

   

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Postby Dundalk » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:31 pm

Just came across this.

And for the record I dont want this to happen and am Pro Rafa.

It makes an interesting read.

How Jose Mourinho would transform Liverpool.

   1. Bring in his own team of right hand men. While Benitez has been reluctant to find an adequate replacement for his assistant Paco Ayesteran, Mourinho has a team of qualified assistants that are awaiting Mourinho’s call to follow him to his next club.

   2. Remove the dead wood. In quick succession, Mourinho would sell several of Liverpool’s players that are bringing the team down and are not qualified to be a part of what’s needed for a team that’s serious about winning the Premier League trophy. That means goodbye to Dirk Kuyt, John Arne Riise, Harry Kewell, Sami Hyypia and Momo Sissoko.

   3. Make tough decisions on the rest of the Liverpool squad. During Benitez’s tenure as manager, the Spaniard has brought in several promising younger players who are stuck in the reserve squad and don’t seem like they have much chance of playing first team football. Mourinho needs to decide what to do with these players and whether there are some hidden pearls there that deserve more playing time. The players include Lucas Leiva, Sebastian Leto, Emiliano Insua as well as 22 players out on loan at other clubs.

   4. Make tactical changes. Whether it’s key matches against the likes of Arsenal and Man United or against lesser opposition such as Wigan, Derby or Reading, Rafa Benitez’s squad has been outplayed and/or outwitted on too many occasions recently. Mourinho will bring a new lease of life to the Liverpool squad with fresh tactical ideas.

   5. New players. Rather than being too reliant on players from Spain, Mourinho will bring a whole new cast of winners to Liverpool from different corners of the globe. Benitez’s record thus far of signing decent players has been below par. Mourinho would change that in short order. The first order of business would be to bring in a quality striker to partner Torres up front. Other positions that need to be filled include a new right winger and better coverage for a centre back.

   6. A winning attitude. Watching Liverpool play of late, it’s easy to see that the players don’t have the confidence that they had at the beginning of the season. While they don’t admit it publicly, they’re playing like they know they’ve lost the chance of winning the Premier League trophy. Mourinho would infuse Liverpool players with a new self belief and winning attitude.


What do you think, personally I think the man has no class what so ever and should have nothing to do with Liverpool Football Club but I know a few on here would like to see him come
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Postby The Manhattan Project » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:38 pm

What do you think, personally I think the man has no class what so ever and should have nothing to do with Liverpool Football Club but I know a few on here would like to see him come


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Postby destro » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:48 pm

You cant fault the guy as a Manager, I personally just hate him as a person.Would I prefer him to Klinsman ...yes, Could I put my personal feelings aside if he came in and took us that final step forward is impossible to answer until it actually happens ( if it does)

The thing is, if the new owners want to bring him or anyone else in to replace Rafa it will happen, no matter what any of us think about it ???
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Postby bigmick » Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:47 pm

Dundalk wrote:Just came across this.

And for the record I dont want this to happen and am Pro Rafa.

It makes an interesting read.

How Jose Mourinho would transform Liverpool.

   1. Bring in his own team of right hand men. While Benitez has been reluctant to find an adequate replacement for his assistant Paco Ayesteran, Mourinho has a team of qualified assistants that are awaiting Mourinho’s call to follow him to his next club.

   2. Remove the dead wood. In quick succession, Mourinho would sell several of Liverpool’s players that are bringing the team down and are not qualified to be a part of what’s needed for a team that’s serious about winning the Premier League trophy. That means goodbye to Dirk Kuyt, John Arne Riise, Harry Kewell, Sami Hyypia and Momo Sissoko.

   3. Make tough decisions on the rest of the Liverpool squad. During Benitez’s tenure as manager, the Spaniard has brought in several promising younger players who are stuck in the reserve squad and don’t seem like they have much chance of playing first team football. Mourinho needs to decide what to do with these players and whether there are some hidden pearls there that deserve more playing time. The players include Lucas Leiva, Sebastian Leto, Emiliano Insua as well as 22 players out on loan at other clubs.

   4. Make tactical changes. Whether it’s key matches against the likes of Arsenal and Man United or against lesser opposition such as Wigan, Derby or Reading, Rafa Benitez’s squad has been outplayed and/or outwitted on too many occasions recently. Mourinho will bring a new lease of life to the Liverpool squad with fresh tactical ideas.

   5. New players. Rather than being too reliant on players from Spain, Mourinho will bring a whole new cast of winners to Liverpool from different corners of the globe. Benitez’s record thus far of signing decent players has been below par. Mourinho would change that in short order. The first order of business would be to bring in a quality striker to partner Torres up front. Other positions that need to be filled include a new right winger and better coverage for a centre back.

   6. A winning attitude. Watching Liverpool play of late, it’s easy to see that the players don’t have the confidence that they had at the beginning of the season. While they don’t admit it publicly, they’re playing like they know they’ve lost the chance of winning the Premier League trophy. Mourinho would infuse Liverpool players with a new self belief and winning attitude.


What do you think, personally I think the man has no class what so ever and should have nothing to do with Liverpool Football Club but I know a few on here would like to see him come

Well if we were to get a new manager, I'd certainly take Mourinho over Klinnsmann any day, but that's a long way off. I couldn't resist a comeback though on the points listed.

1. His own team of right hand men. I reckon one right hand man is quite enough, and if in Mourinho's case it was to be Steve Clarke then no thanks.

2. Remove the dead wood. Well culling of the squad needs doing whoever is the manager, including Rafa. We quite simply have tried to build two first teams, rather than one one with solid back ups and kids. If we really had a top class team and lead the Premiership in February only to eventually be denied because our squad wasn't quite deep enough, wouldn't this be better than being never ever in the title race yet again? I don't think Mourinho is any more expert at that (trimming the numbers) than the current manager. If Rafa slightly changes emphasis he is more than adept enough to cull the squad and buy top quality, first team replacements himself.

3. As above. I would say though that in terms of buying kids in a kind of scatter-gun approach, you can't really blame the management too much as we are so obviously outgunned financially by our immediate rivals. It would only need a couple of those kids to come through and the policy will be vindicated. My one criticism is that local players are historically the heartbeat of Liverpool teams, and we haven't done enoguh IMHO to really nurture local talent from what has always been an area which produces fantastic players, and indeed has produced the best two in the current England team.

4. Tactics. Rafa is more astute than Mourinho simple as that. IMHO he is a better coach. The one area where our man occasionally falls down is in over analysis of the opposition, and over compensation for their styles and strengths.

5. New players. Mourinho's buying at Chelsea was very hit and miss IMHO. He simpty went with fairly obvious choices and paid whatever he needed to get them in the early days. Signings such as Carvallo at 20 million weren't astute, but neither were they ever going to fail either. A bit like Rafa going to Madrid and buying Ferdinand and Gerrard for a combined 80 million quid. They'd succeed of course but is it a sign of a good buyer? Not really. Even Drogba who was a superb buy was hardly a shock success. Rafa has bought well, and as I said earlier if he cuts back on the quantity and ups the quality, then I'd back him to build a good team.

6. A winning attitude. This is one area where Mourinho would offer an immediate improvement in Rafa IMHO. If he were the manager, we would go all out for the Premiership IMHO and really go for wins in every match. The players would believe it more than they do cuurently. He might be full of sh!te, but he's good at getting a bunch of footballers to play to the maximum of their ability as a team.

The man has no class and is a bit of an erse. As I've said on numerous occasions before though, if you're asking me whether we would have more chance of challenging for the Premiership if he were in charge rather than Rafa (if we are to have another season of "Rafa style" obviously), then for me the answer is yes.
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Postby tel » Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:55 pm

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tel wrote:LMAO @ Klinsmann. No way he'll be given the gig.

Parry wants Mourinho

eh.........according to newspaper reports...hicks is pretty close to klinsmann.

The owners are not going to risk money by making coaching selections themselves on a sporting code they know little about. Thats what Parry is there for, and by all accounts they have a lot of faith in what he has to say.

Parry is and was a bigger fan of Mourinho than Rafa, and Parry has been around long enough to know that Klinsmann lacks committment and cannot take the pressure of a big club.
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:58 pm

I think he's a good manager, maybe not as tactically sound as Rafa but still good. If Rafa left, I think he is probably the best we could get to replace him.

I am not worried about his personality etc, but maybe our new owners should be !
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Postby tel » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:06 am

bigmick wrote:
Dundalk wrote:Just came across this.

And for the record I dont want this to happen and am Pro Rafa.

It makes an interesting read.

How Jose Mourinho would transform Liverpool.

   1. Bring in his own team of right hand men. While Benitez has been reluctant to find an adequate replacement for his assistant Paco Ayesteran, Mourinho has a team of qualified assistants that are awaiting Mourinho’s call to follow him to his next club.

   2. Remove the dead wood. In quick succession, Mourinho would sell several of Liverpool’s players that are bringing the team down and are not qualified to be a part of what’s needed for a team that’s serious about winning the Premier League trophy. That means goodbye to Dirk Kuyt, John Arne Riise, Harry Kewell, Sami Hyypia and Momo Sissoko.

   3. Make tough decisions on the rest of the Liverpool squad. During Benitez’s tenure as manager, the Spaniard has brought in several promising younger players who are stuck in the reserve squad and don’t seem like they have much chance of playing first team football. Mourinho needs to decide what to do with these players and whether there are some hidden pearls there that deserve more playing time. The players include Lucas Leiva, Sebastian Leto, Emiliano Insua as well as 22 players out on loan at other clubs.

   4. Make tactical changes. Whether it’s key matches against the likes of Arsenal and Man United or against lesser opposition such as Wigan, Derby or Reading, Rafa Benitez’s squad has been outplayed and/or outwitted on too many occasions recently. Mourinho will bring a new lease of life to the Liverpool squad with fresh tactical ideas.

   5. New players. Rather than being too reliant on players from Spain, Mourinho will bring a whole new cast of winners to Liverpool from different corners of the globe. Benitez’s record thus far of signing decent players has been below par. Mourinho would change that in short order. The first order of business would be to bring in a quality striker to partner Torres up front. Other positions that need to be filled include a new right winger and better coverage for a centre back.

   6. A winning attitude. Watching Liverpool play of late, it’s easy to see that the players don’t have the confidence that they had at the beginning of the season. While they don’t admit it publicly, they’re playing like they know they’ve lost the chance of winning the Premier League trophy. Mourinho would infuse Liverpool players with a new self belief and winning attitude.


What do you think, personally I think the man has no class what so ever and should have nothing to do with Liverpool Football Club but I know a few on here would like to see him come

Well if we were to get a new manager, I'd certainly take Mourinho over Klinnsmann any day, but that's a long way off. I couldn't resist a comeback though on the points listed.

1. His own team of right hand men. I reckon one right hand man is quite enough, and if in Mourinho's case it was to be Steve Clarke then no thanks.

2. Remove the dead wood. Well culling of the squad needs doing whoever is the manager, including Rafa. We quite simply have tried to build two first teams, rather than one one with solid back ups and kids. If we really had a top class team and lead the Premiership in February only to eventually be denied because our squad wasn't quite deep enough, wouldn't this be better than being never ever in the title race yet again? I don't think Mourinho is any more expert at that (trimming the numbers) than the current manager. If Rafa slightly changes emphasis he is more than adept enough to cull the squad and buy top quality, first team replacements himself.

3. As above. I would say though that in terms of buying kids in a kind of scatter-gun approach, you can't really blame the management too much as we are so obviously outgunned financially by our immediate rivals. It would only need a couple of those kids to come through and the policy will be vindicated. My one criticism is that local players are historically the heartbeat of Liverpool teams, and we haven't done enoguh IMHO to really nurture local talent from what has always been an area which produces fantastic players, and indeed has produced the best two in the current England team.

4. Tactics. Rafa is more astute than Mourinho simple as that. IMHO he is a better coach. The one area where our man occasionally falls down is in over analysis of the opposition, and over compensation for their styles and strengths.

5. New players. Mourinho's buying at Chelsea was very hit and miss IMHO. He simpty went with fairly obvious choices and paid whatever he needed to get them in the early days. Signings such as Carvallo at 20 million weren't astute, but neither were they ever going to fail either. A bit like Rafa going to Madrid and buying Ferdinand and Gerrard for a combined 80 million quid. They'd succeed of course but is it a sign of a good buyer? Not really. Even Drogba who was a superb buy was hardly a shock success. Rafa has bought well, and as I said earlier if he cuts back on the quantity and ups the quality, then I'd back him to build a good team.

6. A winning attitude. This is one area where Mourinho would offer an immediate improvement in Rafa IMHO. If he were the manager, we would go all out for the Premiership IMHO and really go for wins in every match. The players would believe it more than they do cuurently. He might be full of sh!te, but he's good at getting a bunch of footballers to play to the maximum of their ability as a team.

The man has no class and is a bit of an erse. As I've said on numerous occasions before though, if you're asking me whether we would have more chance of challenging for the Premiership if he were in charge rather than Rafa (if we are to have another season of "Rafa style" obviously), then for me the answer is yes.

There are 2 major differences.

Mourinho is a better motivator, and reads the game better.

Rafa is better at preparation and planning, but once the whistle is blown, I question Rafa's ability to change things.

One thinig Mourinho has is the pragmatic ability to see whether the game is going to plan, and if not, to bring on players to change things. Rafa rarely wins games for us with his subs.
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Postby Kharhaz » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:11 am

Maybe its just me but since maureen left chelsea they have just quietly got on with things. No annoying stories, no were the best, nothing just got on with it, and I dont feel as much hatred towards them as I did when maureen was there. His arrogance spilled onto everyone to do with that club, the players and the day old supporters ! Can you imagine his attitude around this club ? Thank you no !
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Postby account deleted by request » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:13 am

One thinig Mourinho has is the pragmatic ability to see whether the game is going to plan, and if not, to bring on players to change things. Rafa rarely wins games for us with his subs.



S@int stands back and awaits blast from Leon about how subs changed the game in CL FINAL, FA CUP FINAL etc etc.

The fact that Rafa uses all his subs in almost every game seems to elude him :D
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:19 am

s@int wrote:
One thinig Mourinho has is the pragmatic ability to see whether the game is going to plan, and if not, to bring on players to change things. Rafa rarely wins games for us with his subs.



S@int stands back and awaits blast from Leon about how subs changed the game in CL FINAL, FA CUP FINAL etc etc.

The fact that Rafa uses all his subs in almost every game seems to elude him :D

Dont worry about Leon, I think he's alright really. But in any case I'll back you up S@int.  :D
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Postby NANNY RED » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:21 am

tel wrote:[.

Mourinho is a better motivator, and reads the game better.

Rafa is better at preparation and planning, but once the whistle is blown, I question Rafa's ability to change things.

One thinig Mourinho has is the pragmatic ability to see whether the game is going to plan, and if not, to bring on players to change things. Rafa rarely wins games for us with his subs.

Have to disagree with you a bit there tel regarding the Rafa Rafa rarely wins games with his subs Istanbul remember :nod

I could give you a couple more (wheres Saint to look thing up when you need him)

Might be a better motivator at winding the opposition fans up

As i said in another thread i would love to see how good Mourinio is when he is managing an ordinary team without ,millions at his disposal ill make my mind up on him then.
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:22 am

Side note: If the Yanks cant handle Rafa's demands, there is no way they'll be able to handle Maureens outbursts.

The reason they want (possibly) Klinsman, is probably due to the fact he's in the US allready, and is the only soccer connection they know, probably. Oh and he'll probably be like Steve Fecking Mclaren, a YES manager !
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