NiftyNeil wrote:There have been plenty of seasons when the squad has been good enough to win the league, so to blame the quality of the signings wide of the mark. It's all down to how the squad is managed and how the players perform as a team. It's well known that Chelsea bought a team of proven internationals for big money and delivered two league titles, but what about Arsenal and Man U?
Man U have won title after title since 1993, but they've done it as a team. Take last season, they won the League with John O'Shea and Michael Carrick in midfield plus an ageing Paul Scholes - they hardly compare to our "greatest midfield in the world" do they? How many times do people slag off Rio Ferdinand and Wes Brown? - yet good enough to star in a title wiining side. Who did they have up front last season? Rooney and who? It didn't stop them scoring though. Imaging how many goals Bellamy, Kuyt and Crouch would of scored in that team. Even Park Ji Sun was on the score sheet a few times last year. That's just last season, I'm not even going to go into the times they won it with legends like Phil Neville, Nicky Butt and Andy Cole.
This year Arsenal are top of the league with a load of players that most people hadn't heard of two years ago.
This year our squad is good enough, but we're never going to win the league by chopping and changing players and formations every single game. We're never going to win the league by playing 4-3-3 (translates as 4-5-1 for most of the game) with Kuyt and Couch on the wing. I'm sick of hearing that the squad is not good enough, or that Hicks and Gillet need to get their hands in their pockets. I believe that if Ferguson or Wenger had this squad, then we would be running away with the league. We've got the best IMHO goalkeeper in the league, the best midfield in the league, the best stiker in the league and when Agger gets back, I also think that we have the best defence (centre back duo). That gives us the perfect spine of a team which should afford us less than perfect wingers and full backs.
puroresu wrote:NANNY RED wrote:LittleHobo wrote:puroresu wrote:For all the faults under roy evans I agree that side was great to watch. Entertaining, full of creativity, flair and pace. Thats the way we should be playing.
thats true
and also back then we could up our game against the best teams and beat them whilst playing really well
our downfall was against the craap teams, were we would often underachieve
But we never won anything . Its great to have a flair team with flair pace and yes creativity but if your not winning trophys what good is it .
Remember Newcastle under Keegan so much creativity and pace and flair but what did they win
The old Spurs side with Hoddle and Archibald also Ardilless and the West Hams yes good to watch but what what did they achieve Nothin
Evans had 4 seasons after taking over a side in crisis under souness. He didnt win anything but still kept us in a title race longer than houllier or rafa has done. No players under Houllier or rafa so far can honestly say "that year we should have won the title". The players under Evans all look back and openly admit they should have won the title and blew it.
Owzat wrote:I think one problem our managers bring upon the club is they want a player and don't necessarily get best value or even opt out. Are we critical of the Heskey transfer because he was cr ap or because he cost £11m? Same for Diouf and other players who were less than huge successes.
Sean wrote:If you look at United teams from Fergies first four years in charge ('86 to '90), apart from from Jesper Olsen their wing options were limited. They were fortunate to win the F.A. Cup in 1990 and Fergie was lucky to have kept his job. Then, I remember in 1991 Fergie started playing Lee Sharpe on the left wing. He was 17 years of age and on fire as United won the European Cup Winners Cup. I reckon Fergie decided around this time that his teams would be built with an attacking philosophy.
At the beginning of the 91/92 season he started playing Andrei Kanchelskis on the right wing with Sharpe or Giggs on the left. It worked brilliantly. They should have won the league but were pipped by Leeds. The following year they made no mistake and haven't looked back since. Since discovering the winning formula Fergie has never deviated from the template of attacking football. Except for Giggs the ingredients have changed. Rooney is his new Mark Hughes, Vidic the new Bruce, Ferdinand the new Pallister.
Fergie does not over analyse the opposition. He simply sends his team out with a licence to express themselves and ultimately to outscore the opposition. Sure, he has often got caught out by the better teams in Europe but thats another debate. In the premiership the Fergie template works almost every time. Football should be a simple game. Every United player always knows exactly what his role is when he runs out onto the pitch, simply because his role remains the same every week. At Liverpool, we change personnel and formation so much it only succeeds in breeding confusion.
NiftyNeil wrote:There have been plenty of seasons when the squad has been good enough to win the league, so to blame the quality of the signings wide of the mark. It's all down to how the squad is managed and how the players perform as a team. It's well known that Chelsea bought a team of proven internationals for big money and delivered two league titles, but what about Arsenal and Man U?
Man U have won title after title since 1993, but they've done it as a team. Take last season, they won the League with John O'Shea and Michael Carrick in midfield plus an ageing Paul Scholes - they hardly compare to our "greatest midfield in the world" do they? How many times do people slag off Rio Ferdinand and Wes Brown? - yet good enough to star in a title wiining side. Who did they have up front last season? Rooney and who? It didn't stop them scoring though. Imaging how many goals Bellamy, Kuyt and Crouch would of scored in that team. Even Park Ji Sun was on the score sheet a few times last year. That's just last season, I'm not even going to go into the times they won it with legends like Phil Neville, Nicky Butt and Andy Cole.
This year Arsenal are top of the league with a load of players that most people hadn't heard of two years ago.
This year our squad is good enough, but we're never going to win the league by chopping and changing players and formations every single game. We're never going to win the league by playing 4-3-3 (translates as 4-5-1 for most of the game) with Kuyt and Couch on the wing. I'm sick of hearing that the squad is not good enough, or that Hicks and Gillet need to get their hands in their pockets. I believe that if Ferguson or Wenger had this squad, then we would be running away with the league. We've got the best IMHO goalkeeper in the league, the best midfield in the league, the best stiker in the league and when Agger gets back, I also think that we have the best defence (centre back duo). That gives us the perfect spine of a team which should afford us less than perfect wingers and full backs.
Sean wrote:If you look at United teams from Fergies first four years in charge ('86 to '90), apart from from Jesper Olsen their wing options were limited. They were fortunate to win the F.A. Cup in 1990 and Fergie was lucky to have kept his job. Then, I remember in 1991 Fergie started playing Lee Sharpe on the left wing. He was 17 years of age and on fire as United won the European Cup Winners Cup. I reckon Fergie decided around this time that his teams would be built with an attacking philosophy.
At the beginning of the 91/92 season he started playing Andrei Kanchelskis on the right wing with Sharpe or Giggs on the left. It worked brilliantly. They should have won the league but were pipped by Leeds. The following year they made no mistake and haven't looked back since. Since discovering the winning formula Fergie has never deviated from the template of attacking football. Except for Giggs the ingredients have changed. Rooney is his new Mark Hughes, Vidic the new Bruce, Ferdinand the new Pallister.
Fergie does not over analyse the opposition. He simply sends his team out with a licence to express themselves and ultimately to outscore the opposition. Sure, he has often got caught out by the better teams in Europe but thats another debate. In the premiership the Fergie template works almost every time. Football should be a simple game. Every United player always knows exactly what his role is when he runs out onto the pitch, simply because his role remains the same every week. At Liverpool, we change personnel and formation so much it only succeeds in breeding confusion.
The_Rock wrote:Houllier learnt the hard way that playing defensive does not work here.
Ola Mr Benitez wrote:Im sorry, but I just don't buy this "we've got the best midfield in the world" thing! We are nowhere close and I'll tell you why.
We potentially have the best central midfielders in the world, but our wingers are awful. That 50% of the midfield. I agree with the original poster, although I feel we really only need one "ronaldo" esque type winger.
My midfield would line up like this
Gerrard Mascher Alonso Sh!t hot new winger
Now that is the best midfield in the world
jeff.capes wrote:there are really talented hungry africans who would be cheap but never seem to turn up at anfield.
we seem to always get junk like salif diao or rigerbert song.
you look at the african finds ,people like essien and eto who eventually become big money players.
i know this will never happen because if my memory is correct valencia under rafa in spain had a specific look to them.
the same happens with south americans,everbody else get cheap players who become world stars we get strange south americans who are not that special at dribbling or passing.
for the money we are spending we should have easily found atleast 1 star by now.
speaking of black players i was wondering who is everyones all time favourite premiership black player that came through liverpools youth team.
i know everton has had a few with people like danny cadematri and there has been a couple of late, but i can't seem to remember one coming from our academy and playing regularly in the premiership.
it is strange considering how popular traditionaly liverpool is with asian,blacks and ethnic minorities.
we have bought a lot of black players but i don't remember any coming through the academy and doing anything.
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