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by **maguskwt** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:11 pm

Dimshen wrote:Klinsmann would be a massive risk surely? The yanks could just about justify his appointment on the back of his World Cup run with za germans but with no club track record to go on, I would have to agree with Rushie that it may well mean we would have to endure another period of failure before promised success is delivered. I'm not sure anyone would be happy with that.

You say you want Rafa to have two more seasons at Anfield, If we don't even challnge for the league (as we are in danger of doing) this season and next season, but finish 3rd or even 2nd would you still keep him??

Where do we draw the line?

where do we draw the line? easy mate... progress... and not the progress that you imply by the league position... it is more than that and it will be very obvious to see... 6 years should be enough for rafa to build a team that has AT LEAST the same quality as the mancs, the arsenals and the chelseas... and should also be genuinely challenging for the title...

if at the end of 6 years we finish 2nd but are nowhere near winning it then of course he should go... if at the end of 6 years we finish 2nd but were unlucky not to win the league, let's say missed out on it by 1-3 points... then maybe he should stay... it's all common sense...

of course at the end of the day it all depends on the owners...and if you ask me, if i were the owner I'm a very patient owner...

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:18 pm

If the Yanks are really trying to bring in a partner or sell, I think they could do a lot worse than try to get Moores back in as a partner, after all he has £80million from the sale under his mattress at the moment. If they decide to sell its got to be to DIC as at least they have plenty money.

by **Pedro Maradona** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:28 pm

maguskwt wrote:
RedorDead wrote:I also agree that any passionate countryman with half a football brain can lead a national side to an internatinal tournament final on home soil. I know he did a good job tactically and they played nice football but it is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to the day to day running of a top club side.

home soil or not you gotta give credit where credit is due... ask any non-german football fans to name a player from the german squad in 2006 and they probably would be only able to name Ballack, Lehmann, Oliver Kahn, and probably Miroslav Klose. He put together players who are good but not world class and made them play as a team and gave argentina, italy and portugal the run for their money. Beckenbauer is the biggest name in their football history and he surely he knows a thing or two about football since he led them to become world champions as captain as well as a manager... surely he can't be too wrong when he asked klinnsmann to stay on...

but that's not really a concern now... let's just concentrate on our rafa for now...

Its a rubbish story, klinsmann wont be liverpool manager, he is a bluffer who lives in the US and he was a figurehead as the German coach, how well they played was all based on his backroom staff not him. Why do you think he hasnt done anything in management since....forget the klinsmann story is rubbish journalism nothing more.

by **maguskwt** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:32 pm

Pedro Maradona wrote:Its a rubbish story, klinsmann wont be liverpool manager, he is a bluffer who lives in the US and he was a figurehead as the German coach, how well they played was all based on his backroom staff not him. Why do you think he hasnt done anything in management since....forget the klinsmann story is rubbish journalism nothing more.

I'm forgetting the klinsmann story but what you just said was pure non-sense and you should know better...

by **RUSHIE#9** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:33 pm

I don't like the sound of these 'reports' of bringing this Miskelly guy on board. The old saying of 'too many cooks spoil the broth' comes to mind.
We've already heard rumours that G&H are having fallings out over the running of the club and to bring in a possible third person wanting a say on running the club (if that's the way they are going with that story) just sets the alarm bells ringing with me.
They really need to come clean and say, 'There are no financing problems. We will deliver a stadium without putting ridiculous financial burdens on the club', or just admit that they've been bullshitting us all along and they can't afford any of what they promised and are fecking off into the sunset to let someone else with the funds do a better job. Whichever it is this REALLY needs sorting now cos it's starting to make the club a laughing stock and more seriously it's starting to affect affairs on the pitch as well.

by **Pedro Maradona** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:35 pm

s@int wrote:If the Yanks are really trying to bring in a partner or sell, I think they could do a lot worse than try to get Moores back in as a partner, after all he has £80million from the sale under his mattress at the moment. If they decide to sell its got to be to DIC as at least they have plenty money.

I cant see DIC going back after the way they were treated the last time. Cant help but think that Moores backed the wrong horse in a two horse race.....
You would have thought that when Gillet had to ask Hicks to come on board for financial reasons that that might have set the alarm bells ringing about how rich these two bluffers really were....Meanwhile Sheik Maktoum of DIC gave away 10 billion US Dollars to Charity to set up an educational foundation in the Middle East.
Nice one David Moores... good thinking there old chum.

by **Pedro Maradona** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:38 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Pedro Maradona wrote:Its a rubbish story, klinsmann wont be liverpool manager, he is a bluffer who lives in the US and he was a figurehead as the German coach, how well they played was all based on his backroom staff not him. Why do you think he hasnt done anything in management since....forget the klinsmann story is rubbish journalism nothing more.

I'm forgetting the klinsmann story but what you just said was pure non-sense and you should know better...

Why is it nonsense? Did Germany win the world cup? has Klinsmann worked since? has he any coaching badges? Was he treated with the same respect by the German FA and the managers in the Bundesliga when he wouldnt leave the United States saying he could do the German coaching job from California? get a grip and some facts before you argue with me please.

by **maguskwt** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:44 pm

Pedro Maradona wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
Pedro Maradona wrote:Its a rubbish story, klinsmann wont be liverpool manager, he is a bluffer who lives in the US and he was a figurehead as the German coach, how well they played was all based on his backroom staff not him. Why do you think he hasnt done anything in management since....forget the klinsmann story is rubbish journalism nothing more.

I'm forgetting the klinsmann story but what you just said was pure non-sense and you should know better...

Why is it nonsense? Did Germany win the world cup? has Klinsmann worked since? has he any coaching badges? Was he treated with the same respect by the German FA and the managers in the Bundesliga when he wouldnt leave the United States saying he could do the German coaching job from California? get a grip and some facts before you argue with me please.

errrr... he left the job on his own accord...beckenbauer asked him to stay on... He was even decorated by the state for his achievements in the world cup...

so speak for yourself about getting some facts son...you obviously are the uninformed one

btw this argument is over... you can speak to my hand now if you want...

by **JohnBull** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:47 pm

£80million wouldn't make a dent in what we need and Moores has never made a penny on his own - just comes from a rich family (who were probably the best employers this city has ever seen).

The Yanks came here riding a tidalwave of cheap credit in the states, The same cheap credit that has bolloxed our banking system, through no fault of ours. The money has dried up and they're left high and dry. Their offer was no REAL improvement on the Arabs but Parry, as usual, had his own agenda and pushed ahead with the remortgage, remortgage deal which is now tyts up.

I still regret the refusal of the board to talk to Steve Morgan instead of spitting their dummies out and taking their ball home but if push comes to shove then the Arabs should have been the sensible alternative. They are not reliant on cheap, or any, credit and the main concern would have been the success of LFC.

Our club has massive potential for any investor but the initial imput will be great, mainly to do with the new ground. Roman didn't buy Chelsea as just a hobby. If he sold up today he would still turn over a nice tidy profit, the guy's not stupid. The yanks, however, will need to feed the finance deals and in the present finacial climate I just don't think they are up to it.

The recurring bad apple here is Parry. The lack of action over the past years cannot be put down to him (and the board) being cautious and worrying over the long term good of the club. The whole thing stinks of the "don't rock the boat" attitude of people on the gravy train (or boat ?). These guys are having a great life riding on the backs of the supporters, Bill and Bob must be spinning in their graves.

There is NO alternative to Raffa. I really want him to change those aspects which have caused so many threads on this site, the mystery tactics, the needless rotation etc but we are still better off with him than without him. He has got to get a fully bi-lingual (make that quad-lingual) side kick in soon to take some of the team talk pressure off him. The path between the managers office and the changing room has got to be hard wired so there are no misunderstandings on either side and both players and management know where they stand with each other.

At the end of the day keep Raffa and pull the visas on the Yanks.

by **Pedro Maradona** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:49 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Pedro Maradona wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
Pedro Maradona wrote:Its a rubbish story, klinsmann wont be liverpool manager, he is a bluffer who lives in the US and he was a figurehead as the German coach, how well they played was all based on his backroom staff not him. Why do you think he hasnt done anything in management since....forget the klinsmann story is rubbish journalism nothing more.

I'm forgetting the klinsmann story but what you just said was pure non-sense and you should know better...

Why is it nonsense? Did Germany win the world cup? has Klinsmann worked since? has he any coaching badges? Was he treated with the same respect by the German FA and the managers in the Bundesliga when he wouldnt leave the United States saying he could do the German coaching job from California? get a grip and some facts before you argue with me please.

errrr... he left the job on his own accord...beckenbauer asked him to stay on... He was even decorated by the state for his achievements in the world cup...

so speak for yourself about getting some facts son...you obviously are the uninformed one

btw this argument is over... you can speak to my hand now if you want...

grow up you clown....you dont know what you are talking about. so shut up about Klinsi

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:11 pm

Rick Parry: 'Excellent' new LFC stadium will be worth the wait
Jan 9 2008

Rick Parry (200)

RICK PARRY today pledged Liverpool will make a decision on their long awaited new stadium “soon” following a day of “constructive” meetings with architects in New York.

The Reds chief executive joined club owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett for a series of presentations by rival firms HKS and AFL who are both bidding to win the contract to build the club's new stadium on Stanley Park.

Dallas-based HKS produced a revised version of their original plans which were scrapped last month as the project became simply too expensive for the club to proceed with, while Manchester-based AFL came up with their own proposals as the two firms went head to head.

Both companies were asked to produce a full set of proposals with detailed costings, designs, time scales and planning information.

Parry was impressed by what he saw but the club are not yet willing to put their own timescale on when a final decision will be made.

But he fully believes that whichever option is selected it will produce an “excellent result”.

“It was a very full day,” he said. “We had two very detailed and very informative presentations which were very thorough and extremely professional. It has been another big step forward to finding the best possible solution and the whole meeting was very constructive.

“Everyone is reflecting on what they have heard and a clear decision will be taken soon.

“They were both very good in terms of coming closer to the right solution. As ever, when you have a competition you hope it produces outstanding results and I think that is what we have seen today.

“Whichever we do go with it will be an excellent result.”

by **stmichael** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:48 pm

Guillem puts the record straight:

http://link.brightcove.com/service....0845036

by **maguskwt** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:13 pm

Pedro Maradona wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
Pedro Maradona wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
Pedro Maradona wrote:Its a rubbish story, klinsmann wont be liverpool manager, he is a bluffer who lives in the US and he was a figurehead as the German coach, how well they played was all based on his backroom staff not him. Why do you think he hasnt done anything in management since....forget the klinsmann story is rubbish journalism nothing more.

I'm forgetting the klinsmann story but what you just said was pure non-sense and you should know better...

Why is it nonsense? Did Germany win the world cup? has Klinsmann worked since? has he any coaching badges? Was he treated with the same respect by the German FA and the managers in the Bundesliga when he wouldnt leave the United States saying he could do the German coaching job from California? get a grip and some facts before you argue with me please.

errrr... he left the job on his own accord...beckenbauer asked him to stay on... He was even decorated by the state for his achievements in the world cup...

so speak for yourself about getting some facts son...you obviously are the uninformed one

btw this argument is over... you can speak to my hand now if you want...

grow up you clown....you dont know what you are talking about. so shut up about Klinsi

talk to... :talktothehand

by **Dundalk** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:54 pm

stmichael wrote:Guillem puts the record straight:

http://link.brightcove.com/service....0845036

He said something very similar in the Times Podcast, looks like the media trying to whip up a storm

by **tommycockles** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:53 pm

stmichael wrote:Guillem puts the record straight:

http://link.brightcove.com/service....0845036

he speaks a lot of sense- as always it's the british press that stir up the :censored:

. At the end of the day if he's going to go it'll be because the yanks get rid! It's a farce, they should be supporting our manager as it's only feeding the press and affecting the team.
If there's someone who should go it should be Parry - he's a parasite on our club and couldn't run a bath nevermind Liverpool FC!

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