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by **The_Rock** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:58 am

tel wrote:LMAO @ Klinsmann. No way he'll be given the gig.

Parry wants Mourinho

eh.........according to newspaper reports...hicks is pretty close to klinsmann.

by **skatesy** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:58 am

BENITEZ COMMITTED TO REDS CAUSE

Wed 09 Jan, 07:45 AM

Rafael Benitez has reiterated his desire to remain at Anfield following speculation surrounding his future as Liverpool boss.The Reds manager's future has been the subject of intense speculation in recent weeks and the FA Cup tie at Luton at the weekend was overshadowed by talk that Benitez would be sacked at the end of the season.

Chief executive Rick Parry is set to meet with the club's American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett although he insists the talks will concern the revised stadium plans and not the Spaniard's future.

Now Benitez has pledged his allegiance to the Anfield club and insists he sees his future in the north-west.

He said: "I don't know how many times I have to say I only see my future at Liverpool football club before certain people believe me, but I will say it again because it is really important that everyone understands this.

"I love the club, I love the fans, I love the city and I am very, very happy here.

"I do not see my future at Real Madrid or Inter Milan or anywhere else.

"I see my future at Liverpool and this is where I want to stay.

"I want to win trophies for my club, for our fans and for the people and I still believe we can do this."

http://eurosport.yahoo.com/0901200....se.html

by **Ciggy** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:14 am

Message to MR Klinsmann: If G & H ask you if you would like to be Liverpools new manager could you kindly tell them to fuck off.

Cheers Cigs xxx

by **Ciggy** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:22 am

Oh FFS.......................

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport....0279545

Liverpool owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks have held secret talks with millionaire John Miskelly after turning to the Northern Ireland tycoon to solve their financial crisis.

Lifelong Liverpool fan Miskelly - a property magnate - tried to put together a £250million takeover consortium last year only to lose out to the American pair.

But Hicks and Gillett have gone to Miskelly after struggling to put together a £300m refinancing package, and also need to find a further £300m for their 'new Anfield' stadium project.

After failing to find a suitable refinancing package through a bank, Hicks and Gillett are investigating other options - including an outside partner or even selling their interest.
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Ulsterman Miskelly has the funds to help but he would need support to put together a full consortium bid for the club.

Even as Hicks and Gillett met in New York late last night to discuss financing a new stadium and the future of manager Rafa Benitez, the Spanish coach hit out at suggestions that he could look elsewhere as the pressure grows on him.

"I want to completely commit myself to Liverpool Football Club. I do not see my future anywhere else because I do not want to go anywhere else," said Benitez.

"I want to win trophies for my club, for our fans and for the people - and I still believe we can do this.

"There has been so much improvement here over the last couple of seasons and I believe there is still a lot more to come.

"The squad is now the best it has been since I first came here and we have many young players who are only going to get better.

"All I can say is that I want to be here this summer... and many other summers after that."

by **bunglemark2** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:38 am

Ciggy wrote:Oh FFS.......................

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport....0279545

Liverpool owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks have held secret talks with millionaire John Miskelly after turning to the Northern Ireland tycoon to solve their financial crisis.

Lifelong Liverpool fan Miskelly - a property magnate - tried to put together a £250million takeover consortium last year only to lose out to the American pair.

But Hicks and Gillett have gone to Miskelly after struggling to put together a £300m refinancing package, and also need to find a further £300m for their 'new Anfield' stadium project.

After failing to find a suitable refinancing package through a bank, Hicks and Gillett are investigating other options - including an outside partner or even selling their interest.
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Ulsterman Miskelly has the funds to help but he would need support to put together a full consortium bid for the club.

Even as Hicks and Gillett met in New York late last night to discuss financing a new stadium and the future of manager Rafa Benitez, the Spanish coach hit out at suggestions that he could look elsewhere as the pressure grows on him.

"I want to completely commit myself to Liverpool Football Club. I do not see my future anywhere else because I do not want to go anywhere else," said Benitez.

"I want to win trophies for my club, for our fans and for the people - and I still believe we can do this.

"There has been so much improvement here over the last couple of seasons and I believe there is still a lot more to come.

"The squad is now the best it has been since I first came here and we have many young players who are only going to get better.

"All I can say is that I want to be here this summer... and many other summers after that."

Well, that MUST be true if it was in the Mirror....what a wonderfully legit source of accurate news, eh ? :eyebrow

by **Ciggy** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:48 am

bunglemark2 wrote:Well, that MUST be true if it was in the Mirror....what a wonderfully legit source of accurate news, eh ?

Where did I say it was true?

Its getting fuckin ridicules now, this palava has gone on long enough, if these two havent got the money they should sell us to someone who has a.s.a.p, if these two want to get rid of Rafa they should do it now not the end of the season.

this is doing the clubs name no good, its doing the team no good hence the way we have been playing latelty, and its got some of us fans worried sick about the future of Liverpool football club.

by **bunglemark2** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:54 am

Ciggy mate - calm down mate....(prob. shouldn't use that phrase in the current climate though)
I didn't like the idea of these guys taking charge in the first place - it felt to me like it was purely business and less about the club itself, or how they felt about it. TBH, it looked liker *another* sporting venue/club they were adding to their portfolio.
Not that I felt the Dubai consortium were doing anything different, mind, but you could see the DIC had a different agenda. These guys are simply diversifying their sources of income for the time when the oil runs out. I could see them as people who just plugged the money in, let the "club" manage its own affairs, and let it run away merrily.
I agree I hope G&H just phuck off and sooner rather than later...

by **Dimshen** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:04 am

RedorDead wrote:
RUSHIE#9 wrote:
maguskwt wrote:I've already said again and again that Rafa should be given 2 more seasons to prove himself. This makes me probably one of the staunchest supporters of rafa on this forum... as even most of his supporters on here were only willing to say 1 more season.

Having said that, the prejudice on here against Klinsmann is really laughable. He single handedly revolutionalized the German national team from a boring long ball team to a team that can go toe to toe against argentina and italy and comfortably beat portugal. He has time and again proven his critics wrong whether he was as a player at spurs where he won the footballer of the year or whether he was the national coach of Germany where even the Kaiser, his staunchest critic, asked him to stay on as Germany coach. Pointing out that he doesn't have club experience is understandable.... but criticising him for being a diver and other ridiculous claims is laughable. Pls study how germany played before he took over and how they played at the world cup. I don't believe one can be as narrow-minded as this... I for one would want klinsmann instead of mourinho... I can never accept someone who treated Liverpool FC with disdain as our manager... that mourinho basically thought that LFC is I can never accept him.... especially not if he comes in and now say how what he said against LFC was just because of competition or something...

I think a lot of the 'prejudice' against Klinsmann is based purely on the fact that he's never managed a club side, only has one managerial position under his belt and quite frankly lacks the experience that modern day club management requires.

I agree that the common conception is that he rejuvenated the German national side but this is tempered by the fact that it was in a competition in their own backyard. There are many examples of being the hosts of a competition improves a teams abilities - South Korea(2002), Portugal(2004), England (1996).
Managerial wise a perfect example of this is Frank Rikjaard. Holland had a decent run during Euro 2000 under his guidance but when he left and took his first club job at Sparta Rotterdam they were RELEGATED. Ok he's had success at Barcelona but in his first six months he came very, very close to losing his job. His record since then has been decent but considering the options at his disposal I could've probably done just as well . His managerial deficiencies are being hi lighted now all too glaringly and I can see Klinsmann being just the same.

You've gotta ask do you really want to see Liverpool FC used as the proving ground for Klinsmann as a manager based solely on him being a good player years ago?
Personally I shudder at the thought of him being given the reins and I fear he could set us back years.

I have to agree with rushie here.....I don't have any problems with Klinsman in terms of diving or anything like that and he MIGHT be a great manager one day but he has never managed a club, let alone a club in top tier of European Club Football. I also agree that any passionate countryman with half a football brain can lead a national side to an internatinal tournament final on home soil. I know he did a good job tactically and they played nice football but it is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to the day to day running of a top club side.
Despite some recent mistakes I think Rafa should be supported for the rest of this and next season when any further review can take place....if, and ONLY if there is a top CLUB manager available then should we even consider getting rid of Rafa if it is deemed he cannot take us to Premiership glory.

Klinsmann would be a massive risk surely? The yanks could just about justify his appointment on the back of his World Cup run with za germans but with no club track record to go on, I would have to agree with Rushie that it may well mean we would have to endure another period of failure before promised success is delivered. I'm not sure anyone would be happy with that.

You say you want Rafa to have two more seasons at Anfield, If we don't even challnge for the league (as we are in danger of doing) this season and next season, but finish 3rd or even 2nd would you still keep him??

Where do we draw the line?

by **maguskwt** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:47 am

RUSHIE#9 wrote:
maguskwt wrote:I've already said again and again that Rafa should be given 2 more seasons to prove himself. This makes me probably one of the staunchest supporters of rafa on this forum... as even most of his supporters on here were only willing to say 1 more season.

Having said that, the prejudice on here against Klinsmann is really laughable. He single handedly revolutionalized the German national team from a boring long ball team to a team that can go toe to toe against argentina and italy and comfortably beat portugal. He has time and again proven his critics wrong whether he was as a player at spurs where he won the footballer of the year or whether he was the national coach of Germany where even the Kaiser, his staunchest critic, asked him to stay on as Germany coach. Pointing out that he doesn't have club experience is understandable.... but criticising him for being a diver and other ridiculous claims is laughable. Pls study how germany played before he took over and how they played at the world cup. I don't believe one can be as narrow-minded as this... I for one would want klinsmann instead of mourinho... I can never accept someone who treated Liverpool FC with disdain as our manager... that mourinho basically thought that LFC is I can never accept him.... especially not if he comes in and now say how what he said against LFC was just because of competition or something...

I think a lot of the 'prejudice' against Klinsmann is based purely on the fact that he's never managed a club side, only has one managerial position under his belt and quite frankly lacks the experience that modern day club management requires.

I agree that the common conception is that he rejuvenated the German national side but this is tempered by the fact that it was in a competition in their own backyard. There are many examples of being the hosts of a competition improves a teams abilities - South Korea(2002), Portugal(2004), England (1996).
Managerial wise a perfect example of this is Frank Rikjaard. Holland had a decent run during Euro 2000 under his guidance but when he left and took his first club job at Sparta Rotterdam they were RELEGATED. Ok he's had success at Barcelona but in his first six months he came very, very close to losing his job. His record since then has been decent but considering the options at his disposal I could've probably done just as well . His managerial deficiencies are being hi lighted now all too glaringly and I can see Klinsmann being just the same.

You've gotta ask do you really want to see Liverpool FC used as the proving ground for Klinsmann as a manager based solely on him being a good player years ago?
Personally I shudder at the thought of him being given the reins and I fear he could set us back years.

fair enough rushie... good post...

by **Pedro Maradona** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:01 pm

Ciggy wrote:Oh FFS.......................

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport....0279545

Liverpool owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks have held secret talks with millionaire John Miskelly after turning to the Northern Ireland tycoon to solve their financial crisis.

Lifelong Liverpool fan Miskelly - a property magnate - tried to put together a £250million takeover consortium last year only to lose out to the American pair.

But Hicks and Gillett have gone to Miskelly after struggling to put together a £300m refinancing package, and also need to find a further £300m for their 'new Anfield' stadium project.

After failing to find a suitable refinancing package through a bank, Hicks and Gillett are investigating other options - including an outside partner or even selling their interest.
Advertisement

Ulsterman Miskelly has the funds to help but he would need support to put together a full consortium bid for the club.

Even as Hicks and Gillett met in New York late last night to discuss financing a new stadium and the future of manager Rafa Benitez, the Spanish coach hit out at suggestions that he could look elsewhere as the pressure grows on him.

"I want to completely commit myself to Liverpool Football Club. I do not see my future anywhere else because I do not want to go anywhere else," said Benitez.

"I want to win trophies for my club, for our fans and for the people - and I still believe we can do this.

"There has been so much improvement here over the last couple of seasons and I believe there is still a lot more to come.

"The squad is now the best it has been since I first came here and we have many young players who are only going to get better.

"All I can say is that I want to be here this summer... and many other summers after that."

What a joke....Are these Yanks b u ll sh iters or what? If and I say IF this is true what on earth was David Moores doing selling to these all talk merchants in the first place?
These clowns are making Liverpool Football Club look like a farce.
Unbelievable.....feckin unbelievable

by **maguskwt** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:02 pm

RedorDead wrote:I also agree that any passionate countryman with half a football brain can lead a national side to an internatinal tournament final on home soil. I know he did a good job tactically and they played nice football but it is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to the day to day running of a top club side.

home soil or not you gotta give credit where credit is due... ask any non-german football fans to name a player from the german squad in 2006 and they probably would be only able to name Ballack, Lehmann, Oliver Kahn, and probably Miroslav Klose. He put together players who are good but not world class and made them play as a team and gave argentina, italy and portugal the run for their money. Beckenbauer is the biggest name in their football history and he surely he knows a thing or two about football since he led them to become world champions as captain as well as a manager... surely he can't be too wrong when he asked klinnsmann to stay on...

but that's not really a concern now... let's just concentrate on our rafa for now...

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:05 pm

Ciggy wrote:Oh FFS.......................

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport....0279545

Liverpool owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks have held secret talks with millionaire John Miskelly after turning to the Northern Ireland tycoon to solve their financial crisis.

Lifelong Liverpool fan Miskelly - a property magnate - tried to put together a £250million takeover consortium last year only to lose out to the American pair.

But Hicks and Gillett have gone to Miskelly after struggling to put together a £300m refinancing package, and also need to find a further £300m for their 'new Anfield' stadium project.

After failing to find a suitable refinancing package through a bank, Hicks and Gillett are investigating other options - including an outside partner or even selling their interest.
Advertisement

Ulsterman Miskelly has the funds to help but he would need support to put together a full consortium bid for the club.

Even as Hicks and Gillett met in New York late last night to discuss financing a new stadium and the future of manager Rafa Benitez, the Spanish coach hit out at suggestions that he could look elsewhere as the pressure grows on him.

"I want to completely commit myself to Liverpool Football Club. I do not see my future anywhere else because I do not want to go anywhere else," said Benitez.

"I want to win trophies for my club, for our fans and for the people - and I still believe we can do this.

"There has been so much improvement here over the last couple of seasons and I believe there is still a lot more to come.

"The squad is now the best it has been since I first came here and we have many young players who are only going to get better.

"All I can say is that I want to be here this summer... and many other summers after that."

It sounds to me they are acting like a couple of spivs who bought a car on the "never never" to "do up" found that the cost was too dear and are now desperately trying to sell it before the HP company repossess, or the payments become due.

Steptoe and son have nothing on these two

by **Scottbot** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:06 pm

I just want to know what's going on with the stadium plans. I'll be gutted if they revert back to the old plans which simply weren't a patch on the new design. It's this that is losing my confidence with the owners as opposed to any spats with Rafa or rumours about (speculative nonsense) Klinsman. On that front both Hicks and Rafa have been guilty of spewing stuff to the media when it's best left in the boardroom (or in an email!). If they end up reverting to the original stadium plans they will look like fools. They came and shouted "hey, we're here!!!", "That's not a stadium! This is a stadium" and now 6 months later there's a massive step-down (at least that's the way it's going) and suddenly the previous architechs are back in business with that souless Emirates impersonation again :no

by **Leonmc0708** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:08 pm

The_Rock wrote:
tel wrote:LMAO @ Klinsmann. No way he'll be given the gig.

Parry wants Mourinho

eh.........according to newspaper reports...hicks is pretty close to klinsmann.

Then it MUST be true. :sleep

by **Scottbot** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:08 pm

As for this Klinsman stuff, i wouldn't pay it too much attention. The owners are American, they live in America, Klinsman lives in America, he's available, Rafa's position is tenuous. Add that lot together and it's an easy story.

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