Liverpool FC Forum

by **Big Niall** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:54 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
Big Niall wrote:It is expensive to sack managers these days. When is his contract up?

Its more expensive to the progress of this football club to sack him this season or next than all the tea in china.

What progress?

Every season we are out of the league by new year?

by **Toffeehater** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:58 pm

LittleHobo wrote:we are 5 players short of a real title challenge

first team left back and right back of real quality

first team left and right wingers of real quality

striker in the mould of berbatov, ibrahimovic to partner torres

since u put it that way sir , a decent left back would be Lahm , a solid right back would be alves , this 2 would alone probaly cost us about 30 million ...

A left mid , would be david silva and a right mid i think we have Gerrard who can play there . David silva would cost us about 15 million

A striker , a top class one like berbatov would cost us about 20 million to 25 million .

Not forgetting the mascherano deal which would be a further 17 million.

Can u see the yanks giving us a kitty a transfer kit of about 90 million? , Sorry i can't yes we are in need of those players but no way can we get the money we need to pick and choose adn i would go for david silva and a top striker and sign mascherano which we could probably fund by selling off players

by **Toffeehater** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:59 pm

hello_red wrote:I love the annual 'how can we sort it out for next season discussions' The pain!

I think two players that we should be looking at attacking wise are Nasri and Bentley. Nasri is a attacking midfielder, stick him in the Yossi role and wtach him flourish. Bentley as our main second striker/another wide player as he is great at both ala Kewell at Leeds.

5 mill for the pair. Money well spent and get a left back and centre back in Jan!!!!!!

Forgot about nasri yes , he's a good player one for the future too , he can be sticked onto the right and no u will get bentley for prob 8 to 12 mill

by **Toffeehater** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:01 pm

s@int wrote:Anyone that thinks Rafa is going to change his style and stop rotating is living in cloud cuckoo land (otherwise known as New Zealand )

I think we may see a new five year plan and a new manager in the summer

U've just offended mick and 5 year plans? this isn't russia when stanlin took over

by **Leonmc0708** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:03 pm

Big Niall wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
Big Niall wrote:It is expensive to sack managers these days. When is his contract up?

Its more expensive to the progress of this football club to sack him this season or next than all the tea in china.

What progress?

Every season we are out of the league by new year?

Champions LEague winners (2005)

Champions LEague Runners Up (2007)

Attracting proper players (Torres, Lucas, Mascherano)

Youth Team (Nemeth, Iridjaz, Bruan etc)

by **Toffeehater** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:09 pm

holylamb2006 wrote:
Carragher and Agger hold up to Ferdinand and Vidic

I'd say Carragher is better than Vidic ....
But Ferdinand is better than Agger ...

Man u have a stronger back two

Or we can look at it this way

Carragher vs ferdinand , carragher is stronger physically but ferdinand is better in the air and gets goals also , carra rarely scores but is one of the best centre backs in the world

Verdict: Draw

Agger vs Vidic : Agger is better then him physically also and can outmuscle players with pace , also has a cracking left foot . Vidic is also better in the air and gets goals from corners but is very weak against players with pace

Verdict: Agger slightly better then vidic

I think our defence is stronger then theirs mate well at least our centre back pairing is

by **Toffeehater** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:16 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:Take each game as it comes and try and win every one.

You sound like rafa , "Take one game at a time"

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:31 pm

I have to have a little giggle now and then at some of the opinions on here.

I think some people need to look at the realities of this season, rather than the "money-spent" note they scribbled down in pre-season.

For example:

We have been without 1/2 of our preferred central defensive pairing for approximately 4 months now. (4 months out of the 5 played, I might add).

Previous to this, we were without our 1st-choice cb for a couple of important league games.

Arguably our first-choice leftback has only just managed to make it back from a ruptured achillies.

Our first-choice rightback has been in and out of the team with injury.

Our back-up centreback is out injured.

One of our best players this season was out for over 2 months with a stress-fracture. (Pennant.)

Our best winger has only just come back from basically a 5-year injury lay-off.

Alonso, (who I and Rafa rate much higher than the majority of you on here, apparently) has been out for the best part of 4 months this season, having been one of our best players previously.

Gerrard was out with a broken toe, aggravated on International duty.

Torres was out for over a month, interspersed with a 45-minute appearance against Arsenal.

Crouch got himself banned for 3 matches.

Sissoko's form has been woeful, even by his standards.

But it's all Rafa's fault, isn't it, folks? :laugh:

by **dawson99** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:34 pm

blame has to fall to someone lando. thats the way it works. and every team has injuries and problems, we just havent played well recently. simple as.

doesnt help of course that yet another keeper against us gets MOM but we rely toooooo much on stevie and torres, we need the players to stand up and help.

end of the day tho, yes, its rafas fault. its his job to manage the team available. im still pro rafa, dont want him gone by a long shot, but the buck stops with him.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:36 pm

dawson99 wrote:blame has to fall to someone lando. thats the way it works. and every team has injuries and problems, we just havent played well recently. simple as.

doesnt help of course that yet another keeper against us gets MOM but we rely toooooo much on stevie and torres, we need the players to stand up and help.

end of the day tho, yes, its rafas fault. its his job to manage the team available. im still pro rafa, dont want him gone by a long shot, but the buck stops with him.

He can't be held responsible if Gerrard misses two p*ss-easy chances.

You could therefore argue it's all Gerrard's fault for not following Benitez's orders...

by **dawson99** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:38 pm

or u can blame the coaches for the training, or the dinenr lady for not preparing the right food. but at the end of the day, its the manager who is accountable. im not saying its right, im just saying thats how it has always been.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:39 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:I have to have a little giggle now and then at some of the opinions on here.

I think some people need to look at the realities of this season, rather than the "money-spent" note they scribbled down in pre-season.

For example:

We have been without 1/2 of our preferred central defensive pairing for approximately 4 months now. (4 months out of the 5 played, I might add).

Previous to this, we were without our 1st-choice cb for a couple of important league games.

Arguably our first-choice leftback has only just managed to make it back from a ruptured achillies.

Our first-choice rightback has been in and out of the team with injury.

Our back-up centreback is out injured.

One of our best players this season was out for over 2 months with a stress-fracture. (Pennant.)

Our best winger has only just come back from basically a 5-year injury lay-off.

Alonso, (who I and Rafa rate much higher than the majority of you on here, apparently) has been out for the best part of 4 months this season, having been one of our best players previously.

Gerrard was out with a broken toe, aggravated on International duty.

Torres was out for over a month, interspersed with a 45-minute appearance against Arsenal.

Crouch got himself banned for 3 matches.

Sissoko's form has been woeful, even by his standards.

But it's all Rafa's fault, isn't it, folks?

Injuries. A point which I highlighted in an earlier post. Our injury list this season has been appalling to say the least, and a lot of key players as well. It's obviously had a detrimental effect on the team, as it would. It's just that one mediocre result like last night's has been made 1 million times worse because of these earlier setbacks in the season that were more than likely caused by these injuries. but because it came against Wigan, which let's be honest, does and can happen to the best, it's blown out of proportion above and beyond any rational person's thinking. Or at least anyone who has a clue about their own football club and footballing knowledge in general.

But sack Rafa. Bring in Klinsmann! Quality!

by **Big Niall** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:46 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
Big Niall wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
Big Niall wrote:It is expensive to sack managers these days. When is his contract up?

Its more expensive to the progress of this football club to sack him this season or next than all the tea in china.

What progress?

Every season we are out of the league by new year?

Champions LEague winners (2005)

Champions LEague Runners Up (2007)

Attracting proper players (Torres, Lucas, Mascherano)

Youth Team (Nemeth, Iridjaz, Bruan etc)

How is that progress?

Won Euro cup in first season, then some decent cup runs in other seasons including the FA cup.

League form shows progress.

Having some young players matters nothing unless they make it, a few years ago we were all saying le tellec and Pongolle were the future.

Its a bit early to be listing Lucas as a sign of progress.

The league PROVES we are not making progress.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:52 pm

Big Niall wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
Big Niall wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
Big Niall wrote:It is expensive to sack managers these days. When is his contract up?

Its more expensive to the progress of this football club to sack him this season or next than all the tea in china.

What progress?

Every season we are out of the league by new year?

Champions LEague winners (2005)

Champions LEague Runners Up (2007)

Attracting proper players (Torres, Lucas, Mascherano)

Youth Team (Nemeth, Iridjaz, Bruan etc)

How is that progress?

Won Euro cup in first season, then some decent cup runs in other seasons including the FA cup.

League form shows progress.

Having some young players matters nothing unless they make it, a few years ago we were all saying le tellec and Pongolle were the future.

Its a bit early to be listing Lucas as a sign of progress.

The league PROVES we are not making progress.

To be fair:

"Lucas also became the youngest player to ever to receive Placar magazine's Bola de Ouro (Golden Ball), given to the best player in the Campeonato Brasileiro — an honour previously won by the likes of Zico, Falcao, Careca, Romario, Kaká and Tevez."

He's got a promising future.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:07 pm

I'm happy to suspend giving up on the league until we know exactly what effect the African Nations exodus will have on our top 4 rivals.

A couple of draws for them and a couple of wins for us will close things up again, and everyone's been dropping points recently.

Liverpool FC Forum

If we are out of the league - What now?

Who is online