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by **kazza** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:01 am

Don't worry, Harry will be fit again for Australia's next match or the the end of the season or whatever comes first.

by **red37** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:56 am

You hear that Kewell gets injured....then there's a rough estimate saying he's going to be out for an 'unspecified' length of time. No expected date of return, was the phrase used on Physioroom.com for this last absence. All the moaning and groaning starts (some of it justified by now) Get rid...cash in on him while there's a Wigan or a Villa or Fulham et al daft enough to take him off our books.

Then.

All of a sudden - he is miraculously a week, maybe two away from featuring in a high profile game? Taking the pi55 that for me. What exactly is wrong here...Ive lost all hope of him rising up to the occasion in a Liverpool shirt again. Not even sure if im that bothered anymore. Sad really, the lad could have been one of Europe's biggest players had he cemented the privilege consistently enough at Anfield.

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:05 pm

red37 wrote:Sad really, the lad could have been one of Europe's biggest players had he cemented the privilege consistently enough at Anfield.

Perhaps even sadder, mate, is the fact that we still need him. The Best 11 thread demonstrated that he would still be most people's choice to start at LM if fit--an amazing position given that he's played in what, 2-3 games for us in the last year and half? Now, we can chalk some of that up to the "grass is always greener" syndrome but, really, it is a massive indictment of our current crop of options at LM is it not?

FWIW, I would not play him against Everton if he truly is fit. I'd get him in the reserves to get some match sharpness and, once that's achieved, give him a go. No need to throw him in at the deep end and give the lads one more thing to think about on derby day.

by **red37** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:12 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
red37 wrote:Sad really, the lad could have been one of Europe's biggest players had he cemented the privilege consistently enough at Anfield.

Perhaps even sadder, mate, is the fact that we still need him. The Best 11 thread demonstrated that he would still be most people's choice to start at LM if fit--an amazing position given that he's played in what, 2-3 games for us in the last year and half? Now, we can chalk some of that up to the "grass is always greener" syndrome but, really, it is a massive indictment of our current crop of options at LM is it not?

FWIW, I would not play him against Everton if he truly is fit. I'd get him in the reserves to get some match sharpness and, once that's achieved, give him a go. No need to throw him in at the deep end and give the lads one more thing to think about on derby day.

Neither would i Jason. He'd probably finish up on the treatment table after anyway..

Yep. LM is something of a millstone around Rafa's neck for a while now. Babel aint the answer...Leto, isn't ready - though there are encouraging signs. Riise is sporadic, Aurelio like Kewell, is unreliable. Rotating Pennant/Gerrard out there fleetingly during a game is a stop gap. 4-3-3 with Torres or Babel playing off to the left of a front line, might be one solution. Idk.

by **bigmick** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:19 pm

It makes you wonder why we haven't considered buying a genuine left-sided player, as opposed to someone who can play there a bit (like Benayoun or Babel). I must say on the couple of occasions I've seen him I think Bale looks like he's going to be a really top player, while blokes such as Matt Taylor could certainly do a job and at least genuinely play there. There must though in Europe be somebody, somewhere who is left footed and plays left side of midfield and is quite good surely?

We are so bereft of any threat from wide areas that I sense those of us who prefer Gerrard on the right may be not too far from seeing the theory tested out. Even those who think he can play left-midfield (assuming there is somebody other than Rafa who thinks he can play there) may get another look at the theory before the seasons end.

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:20 pm

red37 wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
red37 wrote:Sad really, the lad could have been one of Europe's biggest players had he cemented the privilege consistently enough at Anfield.

Perhaps even sadder, mate, is the fact that we still need him. The Best 11 thread demonstrated that he would still be most people's choice to start at LM if fit--an amazing position given that he's played in what, 2-3 games for us in the last year and half? Now, we can chalk some of that up to the "grass is always greener" syndrome but, really, it is a massive indictment of our current crop of options at LM is it not?

FWIW, I would not play him against Everton if he truly is fit. I'd get him in the reserves to get some match sharpness and, once that's achieved, give him a go. No need to throw him in at the deep end and give the lads one more thing to think about on derby day.

Neither would i Jason. He'd probably finish up on the treatment table after anyway..

Yep. LM is something of a millstone around Rafa's neck for a while now. Babel aint the answer...Leto, isn't ready - though there are encouraging signs. Riise is sporadic, Aurelio like Kewell, is unreliable. Rotating Pennant/Gerrard out there fleetingly during a game is a stop gap. 4-3-3 with Torres or Babel playing off to the left of a front line, might be one solution. Idk.

Yeah, I said we should give Babel a run of games there in another thread the other day but watching him play there for all of ten minutes against Spurs has convinced me that it'll never work. The lad does not have a wide player's mentality and cannot be counted on to play there with any discipline. Our LB would be exposed constantly (at least Garcia would track back--usually to give away a free kick but still...

). I would personally opt for Benayoun there against the lesser teams, with Riise there for the big matches (including the derby). If Rafa picked virtually the same team everywhere else on the pitch and rotated the LM every match, I would have no complaints, TBH, because it is a major problem position.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:23 pm

I'm pretty sure he's not planning his injuries and returns around our fixture list, it just seems like it at times. I don't think he's deliberately getting injured, having numerous operations, fighting his way back to fitness again, just for fun and a wage packet. He has had a lot of injuries that have ruined his career, surely he deserves a little sympathy rather than abuse.

I am sure he never planned to lose 2 years of his career when he signed for us. Or for his Liverpool career to be put in jepody like this. These things happen in football, either he starts to play out of his skin with no further injuries or he will be moved on. I think he will be moved on myself, but I live in hope that miracles can happen and he returns to form and fitness. Either way I think he deserves a little more respect.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:27 pm

s@int wrote:I'm pretty sure he's not planning his injuries and returns around our fixture list, it just seems like it at times. I don't think he's deliberately getting injured, having numerous operations, fighting his way back to fitness again, just for fun and a wage packet. He has had a lot of injuries that have ruined his career, surely he deserves a little sympathy rather than abuse.

I am sure he never planned to lose 2 years of his career when he signed for us. Or for his Liverpool career to be put in jepody like this. These things happen in football, either he starts to play out of his skin with no further injuries or he will be moved on. I think he will be moved on myself, but I live in hope that miracles can happen and he returns to form and fitness. Either way I think he deserves a little more respect.

Sense at last!!!

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:29 pm

s@int wrote:I'm pretty sure he's not planning his injuries and returns around our fixture list, it just seems like it at times. I don't think he's deliberately getting injured, having numerous operations, fighting his way back to fitness again, just for fun and a wage packet. He has had a lot of injuries that have ruined his career, surely he deserves a little sympathy rather than abuse.

I am sure he never planned to lose 2 years of his career when he signed for us. Or for his Liverpool career to be put in jepody like this. These things happen in football, either he starts to play out of his skin with no further injuries or he will be moved on. I think he will be moved on myself, but I live in hope that miracles can happen and he returns to form and fitness. Either way I think he deserves a little more respect.

Not sure if this is directed my way, mate, but in case it is, I want to clarify that I would never blame a player for their injuries. Nor am I so cynical as to believe that players milk their injuries to collect a wage packet. I truly believe Harry's been genuinely crocked and that he's been as disappointed as we are by that. I do hope he can come through this latest patch and get back to playing football on a sustained basis. I fit and fresh Harry Kewell is still an asset we could use in our team and I would welcome him back. If, however, this to be another false dawn, I think the time will have come to offload him. At least then, we might actually go out and get a proper LM rather than living in hope that Harry will be fit again and ready to reclaim his spot in the side.

by **red37** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:34 pm

Christ, this Babel must have been pulling up some trees somewhere over in Holland...On paper its starting to look like one of the biggest wastes of over 10 million quid ever.

From the footage/reports i'd seen of him, the signs were that we were acquiring a very special talent in the making. Question is, can Benitez and his current philosophy really be the one who actually oversees that transformation into reality? Surely not another dead horse to be flogged. The lad must have some redeeming features - for me, they lie farther up the pitch as an attacker.

As for Kewell, bah. He's had all the support and respect going.. Time to deliver or get on yer bike.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:34 pm

It wasn't aimed at anyone in particular Bob, just thought we should all show him a bit of respect. I have been as guilty as anyone for making jokes about him anyway.

by **babu** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:47 pm

deja vu ....

This is the season, Harry's form will be be the driving factor behind our good runs late November and all through December. (probably get a minor injury sometime in Jan)

so saidth babu.

by **red37** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:59 pm

Bad Bob wrote:

Nor am I so cynical as to believe that players milk their injuries to collect a wage packet.

Exactly mate. Nobody is saying that at all in this instance. Cynicism or no, the fact is: Harry Kewell has had so many of these 'Resurrections' now, that although the comfort of being respected as a Liverpool player/talented individual is still by and large a valid commodity toward his defence...the Hope and resulting Patience required, that he will ever return to anything like his former self however, is very much almost (oxy) - extinguished by a heck of a lot of these supporters of his by now. And who could blame them.

While we are on the subject of it, it might also be considered cynical to mention here there is a transfer window 10 week away from opening...Australia are in action, The early weeks of the Premier League have passed - and there is a better comprehension of who has set an early marker down in terms of the competition that may be fighting that eventual battle out over the coming months. The Champions League has well and truly warmed up and is entering a vital phase...Reasons to be involved if you are a player focussed on helping your team be a part of that. Or conversely, wishing to present your portfolio to other clubs in the meantime. Either way, and whatever it is that is the ultimate aim of Kewell: The time to demonstrate exactly why he is a member of the squad at Liverpool - is now. Because it may turn out to be the last chance he gets.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:02 pm

One last thing about Kewell, I heard last week that the original groin problem that he had was misdiagnosed by a Liverpool physio, incorrect treatment followed, and that was the begining of his problems. It was only when he saw a specialist that the correct treatment was given and he began to recover. The physio was sacked. Maybe Leon can shed some light on this?

by **red37** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:11 pm

He's had a torrid time. No doubt about it. And yes, you would be a heartless so and so to have no sympathy with his plight whatsoever...

But it really is 'The last chance saloon' now. That is a harsh reality faced by all of us at some stage in life. 60K a week or 200 quid. If you're all aint good enough - someone elses will be.

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