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roberto green wrote:

peewee wrote:

roberto green wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

s@int wrote:We have a choice..... Rafa and rotation or change the manager, because the manager isn't going to change.

Saint that quote says it all really we can debate till the cows come home but at the end of the day hes the boss

Yes he is the boss and do you think liverpool will be a better team without him?

What if he leaves or gets sacked then guess who follows? Alonso, Reina, Torres, Mascharano,Arbelao all within the next season there would be major unrest and then we have another manager who has a 5 year plan who probally wont be as good as Rafa.

why do you assume those players would leave and there would be unrest?

personally i think the majority of players would see the bigger picture and be happy with some stability, and the players you mention would all pretty much be first choices for the new manager.

if we get rid of rafa there is only one person to blame, i am sure it has been discussed with him at board level, i am sure results and performances are discussed and if they are not then the club are not doing their job properly. if it carries on maybe the owners will start wanting to give some input, rafa will feel undermined and leave anyway.

with your comments you seem to think rafa is the best manager in the world, you seem to think nobody else could do the job, if rafa is the best in the world why does he get it wrong so many times?

so today lets hope for not just a win, but also a good performance, we need it.

yes your right on your comments that we need a win today and a verry good performance.but....

I am by no means saying rafa is the best manager in the world but listening to you you want him sacked.

I was only stating the spanish speaking contingent would leave because he is a major infulence that thier at our club in the first place and you only have to look back on history to see many managers who buy players who they like and then get sacked the favorites then follow them out the door a year or so later.

In answer to he gets it wrong so many times--

Ok he gets the selection wrong but whats been wrong with his first 3 seasons?

1.Is it his European cup (which was light years away with the team he had).

2.was it the FA cup he won(Another nail biting game which also aswell as the european cup went down to one of the best finals ever!!)

3.Or maybe its this season,yes its this season thats 2 mins old that everyone has made thier mind up already when we have the best team we have had in a long long time.

Just take stock and remember how far we have come!!

peewee wrote:

roberto green wrote:

peewee wrote:

roberto green wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

s@int wrote:We have a choice..... Rafa and rotation or change the manager, because the manager isn't going to change.

Saint that quote says it all really we can debate till the cows come home but at the end of the day hes the boss

Yes he is the boss and do you think liverpool will be a better team without him?

What if he leaves or gets sacked then guess who follows? Alonso, Reina, Torres, Mascharano,Arbelao all within the next season there would be major unrest and then we have another manager who has a 5 year plan who probally wont be as good as Rafa.

why do you assume those players would leave and there would be unrest?

personally i think the majority of players would see the bigger picture and be happy with some stability, and the players you mention would all pretty much be first choices for the new manager.

if we get rid of rafa there is only one person to blame, i am sure it has been discussed with him at board level, i am sure results and performances are discussed and if they are not then the club are not doing their job properly. if it carries on maybe the owners will start wanting to give some input, rafa will feel undermined and leave anyway.

with your comments you seem to think rafa is the best manager in the world, you seem to think nobody else could do the job, if rafa is the best in the world why does he get it wrong so many times?

so today lets hope for not just a win, but also a good performance, we need it.

yes your right on your comments that we need a win today and a verry good performance.but....

I am by no means saying rafa is the best manager in the world but listening to you you want him sacked.

I was only stating the spanish speaking contingent would leave because he is a major infulence that thier at our club in the first place and you only have to look back on history to see many managers who buy players who they like and then get sacked the favorites then follow them out the door a year or so later.

In answer to he gets it wrong so many times--

Ok he gets the selection wrong but whats been wrong with his first 3 seasons?

1.Is it his European cup (which was light years away with the team he had).

2.was it the FA cup he won(Another nail biting game which also aswell as the european cup went down to one of the best finals ever!!)

3.Or maybe its this season,yes its this season thats 2 mins old that everyone has made thier mind up already when we have the best team we have had in a long long time.

Just take stock and remember how far we have come!!

as john bull says mate, anyone can win a cup, but to win a league takes consistency, and since we have come nowhere near winning the league that shows that we do not have any consistency, and therein lies our problem,. we are inconsistent and that is brought on by rotation, i fail to see how anyone can argue against that.

with regards to wanting rafa sacked, i said before i am not calling for his head, i am just calling for him to start using it.

however for me the club comes first (with some people on here it seems rafa comes first) and if he keeps failing to win the league, if he keeps failing to get some consistency, if we keep having to watch dross like we have for this last month for the rest of the season then i wont shed any tears if he leaves, i know you will ask who will we replace him with, well there are many good managers out there

roberto green wrote:

peewee wrote:

roberto green wrote:

peewee wrote:

roberto green wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

s@int wrote:We have a choice..... Rafa and rotation or change the manager, because the manager isn't going to change.

Saint that quote says it all really we can debate till the cows come home but at the end of the day hes the boss

Yes he is the boss and do you think liverpool will be a better team without him?

What if he leaves or gets sacked then guess who follows? Alonso, Reina, Torres, Mascharano,Arbelao all within the next season there would be major unrest and then we have another manager who has a 5 year plan who probally wont be as good as Rafa.

why do you assume those players would leave and there would be unrest?

personally i think the majority of players would see the bigger picture and be happy with some stability, and the players you mention would all pretty much be first choices for the new manager.

if we get rid of rafa there is only one person to blame, i am sure it has been discussed with him at board level, i am sure results and performances are discussed and if they are not then the club are not doing their job properly. if it carries on maybe the owners will start wanting to give some input, rafa will feel undermined and leave anyway.

with your comments you seem to think rafa is the best manager in the world, you seem to think nobody else could do the job, if rafa is the best in the world why does he get it wrong so many times?

so today lets hope for not just a win, but also a good performance, we need it.

yes your right on your comments that we need a win today and a verry good performance.but....

I am by no means saying rafa is the best manager in the world but listening to you you want him sacked.

I was only stating the spanish speaking contingent would leave because he is a major infulence that thier at our club in the first place and you only have to look back on history to see many managers who buy players who they like and then get sacked the favorites then follow them out the door a year or so later.

In answer to he gets it wrong so many times--

Ok he gets the selection wrong but whats been wrong with his first 3 seasons?

1.Is it his European cup (which was light years away with the team he had).

2.was it the FA cup he won(Another nail biting game which also aswell as the european cup went down to one of the best finals ever!!)

3.Or maybe its this season,yes its this season thats 2 mins old that everyone has made thier mind up already when we have the best team we have had in a long long time.

Just take stock and remember how far we have come!!

as john bull says mate, anyone can win a cup, but to win a league takes consistency, and since we have come nowhere near winning the league that shows that we do not have any consistency, and therein lies our problem,. we are inconsistent and that is brought on by rotation, i fail to see how anyone can argue against that.

with regards to wanting rafa sacked, i said before i am not calling for his head, i am just calling for him to start using it.

however for me the club comes first (with some people on here it seems rafa comes first) and if he keeps failing to win the league, if he keeps failing to get some consistency, if we keep having to watch dross like we have for this last month for the rest of the season then i wont shed any tears if he leaves, i know you will ask who will we replace him with, well there are many good managers out there

yeah the big up heval again,it doesnt do any good.

Do you want us to become a Chelsea or real madrid who just sacks thier managers because they dont like them and for the fun of it. unlike them we havent got multiple millions to start a fresh team with fresh ideas and millins on new players.

Why not build on what we have?(the best team we have had in years,"sorry IMO"!

no mate, chelsea and real madrid sack their manager without any good reason, but constant failure in the league is good reason.

what do you suggest, if he fails to win the league, or if he continues with his rotation that doesn't work (again i will refer you to our previous 3 seasons and this season) that we just give him a job for life.

come on, the club comes first and if the manager doesn't cut it then its bad for the club. the league is the most important thing, all these people saying europe is more important are wrong, they are saying that because we won it.

please don't take this as patronising mate because i don't know how old you are, but when you see your team win the league you will understand what i mean, then you will know you are the best, you will know you have the best team who have done it consistently week in week out, thats what is needed, ok the cup wins are nice but they are not the league, they don't show consistency.

but just remind me what we won last season................... thats right mate nothing, not only that we were 21 points behind the winners. read that again 21 points, thats 7 games   

in his second season rafa saw a little bit of sense and started sending out a consistent team, we benefited and went on a long  good run, but the reverted to rotation again for the next season and we finished 21 points behind, its not hard to work out mate is it

peewee wrote:

roberto green wrote:

peewee wrote:

roberto green wrote:

peewee wrote:

roberto green wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

s@int wrote:We have a choice..... Rafa and rotation or change the manager, because the manager isn't going to change.

Saint that quote says it all really we can debate till the cows come home but at the end of the day hes the boss

Yes he is the boss and do you think liverpool will be a better team without him?

What if he leaves or gets sacked then guess who follows? Alonso, Reina, Torres, Mascharano,Arbelao all within the next season there would be major unrest and then we have another manager who has a 5 year plan who probally wont be as good as Rafa.

why do you assume those players would leave and there would be unrest?

personally i think the majority of players would see the bigger picture and be happy with some stability, and the players you mention would all pretty much be first choices for the new manager.

if we get rid of rafa there is only one person to blame, i am sure it has been discussed with him at board level, i am sure results and performances are discussed and if they are not then the club are not doing their job properly. if it carries on maybe the owners will start wanting to give some input, rafa will feel undermined and leave anyway.

with your comments you seem to think rafa is the best manager in the world, you seem to think nobody else could do the job, if rafa is the best in the world why does he get it wrong so many times?

so today lets hope for not just a win, but also a good performance, we need it.

yes your right on your comments that we need a win today and a verry good performance.but....

I am by no means saying rafa is the best manager in the world but listening to you you want him sacked.

I was only stating the spanish speaking contingent would leave because he is a major infulence that thier at our club in the first place and you only have to look back on history to see many managers who buy players who they like and then get sacked the favorites then follow them out the door a year or so later.

In answer to he gets it wrong so many times--

Ok he gets the selection wrong but whats been wrong with his first 3 seasons?

1.Is it his European cup (which was light years away with the team he had).

2.was it the FA cup he won(Another nail biting game which also aswell as the european cup went down to one of the best finals ever!!)

3.Or maybe its this season,yes its this season thats 2 mins old that everyone has made thier mind up already when we have the best team we have had in a long long time.

Just take stock and remember how far we have come!!

as john bull says mate, anyone can win a cup, but to win a league takes consistency, and since we have come nowhere near winning the league that shows that we do not have any consistency, and therein lies our problem,. we are inconsistent and that is brought on by rotation, i fail to see how anyone can argue against that.

with regards to wanting rafa sacked, i said before i am not calling for his head, i am just calling for him to start using it.

however for me the club comes first (with some people on here it seems rafa comes first) and if he keeps failing to win the league, if he keeps failing to get some consistency, if we keep having to watch dross like we have for this last month for the rest of the season then i wont shed any tears if he leaves, i know you will ask who will we replace him with, well there are many good managers out there

yeah the big up heval again,it doesnt do any good.

Do you want us to become a Chelsea or real madrid who just sacks thier managers because they dont like them and for the fun of it. unlike them we havent got multiple millions to start a fresh team with fresh ideas and millins on new players.

Why not build on what we have?(the best team we have had in years,"sorry IMO"!

no mate, chelsea and real madrid sack their manager without any good reason, but constant failure in the league is good reason.

what do you suggest, if he fails to win the league, or if he continues with his rotation that doesn't work (again i will refer you to our previous 3 seasons and this season) that we just give him a job for life.

come on, the club comes first and if the manager doesn't cut it then its bad for the club. the league is the most important thing, all these people saying europe is more important are wrong, they are saying that because we won it.

please don't take this as patronising mate because i don't know how old you are, but when you see your team win the league you will understand what i mean, then you will know you are the best, you will know you have the best team who have done it consistently week in week out, thats what is needed, ok the cup wins are nice but they are not the league, they don't show consistency.

but just remind me what we won last season................... thats right mate nothing, not only that we were 21 points behind the winners. read that again 21 points, thats 7 games   

in his second season rafa saw a little bit of sense and started sending out a consistent team, we benefited and went on a long  good run, but the reverted to rotation again for the next season and we finished 21 points behind, its not hard to work out mate is it

roberto green wrote:

peewee wrote:

roberto green wrote:

peewee wrote:

roberto green wrote:

peewee wrote:

roberto green wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

s@int wrote:We have a choice..... Rafa and rotation or change the manager, because the manager isn't going to change.

Saint that quote says it all really we can debate till the cows come home but at the end of the day hes the boss

Yes he is the boss and do you think liverpool will be a better team without him?

What if he leaves or gets sacked then guess who follows? Alonso, Reina, Torres, Mascharano,Arbelao all within the next season there would be major unrest and then we have another manager who has a 5 year plan who probally wont be as good as Rafa.

why do you assume those players would leave and there would be unrest?

personally i think the majority of players would see the bigger picture and be happy with some stability, and the players you mention would all pretty much be first choices for the new manager.

if we get rid of rafa there is only one person to blame, i am sure it has been discussed with him at board level, i am sure results and performances are discussed and if they are not then the club are not doing their job properly. if it carries on maybe the owners will start wanting to give some input, rafa will feel undermined and leave anyway.

with your comments you seem to think rafa is the best manager in the world, you seem to think nobody else could do the job, if rafa is the best in the world why does he get it wrong so many times?

so today lets hope for not just a win, but also a good performance, we need it.

yes your right on your comments that we need a win today and a verry good performance.but....

I am by no means saying rafa is the best manager in the world but listening to you you want him sacked.

I was only stating the spanish speaking contingent would leave because he is a major infulence that thier at our club in the first place and you only have to look back on history to see many managers who buy players who they like and then get sacked the favorites then follow them out the door a year or so later.

In answer to he gets it wrong so many times--

Ok he gets the selection wrong but whats been wrong with his first 3 seasons?

1.Is it his European cup (which was light years away with the team he had).

2.was it the FA cup he won(Another nail biting game which also aswell as the european cup went down to one of the best finals ever!!)

3.Or maybe its this season,yes its this season thats 2 mins old that everyone has made thier mind up already when we have the best team we have had in a long long time.

Just take stock and remember how far we have come!!

as john bull says mate, anyone can win a cup, but to win a league takes consistency, and since we have come nowhere near winning the league that shows that we do not have any consistency, and therein lies our problem,. we are inconsistent and that is brought on by rotation, i fail to see how anyone can argue against that.

with regards to wanting rafa sacked, i said before i am not calling for his head, i am just calling for him to start using it.

however for me the club comes first (with some people on here it seems rafa comes first) and if he keeps failing to win the league, if he keeps failing to get some consistency, if we keep having to watch dross like we have for this last month for the rest of the season then i wont shed any tears if he leaves, i know you will ask who will we replace him with, well there are many good managers out there

yeah the big up heval again,it doesnt do any good.

Do you want us to become a Chelsea or real madrid who just sacks thier managers because they dont like them and for the fun of it. unlike them we havent got multiple millions to start a fresh team with fresh ideas and millins on new players.

Why not build on what we have?(the best team we have had in years,"sorry IMO"!

no mate, chelsea and real madrid sack their manager without any good reason, but constant failure in the league is good reason.

what do you suggest, if he fails to win the league, or if he continues with his rotation that doesn't work (again i will refer you to our previous 3 seasons and this season) that we just give him a job for life.

come on, the club comes first and if the manager doesn't cut it then its bad for the club. the league is the most important thing, all these people saying europe is more important are wrong, they are saying that because we won it.

please don't take this as patronising mate because i don't know how old you are, but when you see your team win the league you will understand what i mean, then you will know you are the best, you will know you have the best team who have done it consistently week in week out, thats what is needed, ok the cup wins are nice but they are not the league, they don't show consistency.

but just remind me what we won last season................... thats right mate nothing, not only that we were 21 points behind the winners. read that again 21 points, thats 7 games   

in his second season rafa saw a little bit of sense and started sending out a consistent team, we benefited and went on a long  good run, but the reverted to rotation again for the next season and we finished 21 points behind, its not hard to work out mate is it

DONT WORRY IM NOT TAKING IT AS PATRONISING.

THE LAST TIME WE WON THE LEAGUE I WAS TEN AND I CAN REMEMBER WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE, NOTHING BEATS IT THATS WHY THIS SEASON FOR THE FIRST SEASON SINCE I GOT THIS FELLING AGAIN, UNTILL THE PAST FEW GAMES.

I THINK A FAIR CRACK AT THE WHIP IS 5 YEARS AND IF RAFA HASNT DONE IT BY THEN ITS TIME FOR HIM TO GO.

IM JUST DEAD SET AGAINST UP HEAVAL ESPECIALLY NOW I FEEL WHERE NOT THAT FAR AWAY...JUST BE PATIENT FOR A BIT LONGER.

plus the teams ie. Chelsea Mna u would do anything to win the champions league if the cup compititions were down to luck how come Chelsea went and got shevchenko,ballack etc and now with man u tevez, hardgreaves,nani etc its because they want the euro title that Liverpool dominate so much for winning in this country.

In about 20 years there will be a european league with those that have conquered it the most at the very top seeding and liverpool will be within the elite..

roberto green wrote:In about 20 years there will be a european league with those that have conquered it the most at the very top seeding and liverpool will be within the elite..

yeah and nottingham forest will be in there with man utd   

peewee wrote:

roberto green wrote:In about 20 years there will be a european league with those that have conquered it the most at the very top seeding and liverpool will be within the elite..

yeah and nottingham forest will be in there with man utd   

Yes indead forest and united in the same seeding the"nationwide european league".

youv'e won it 2 times youve won it 2 times the same as forest youve won it 2 times

you come up with some valid point Pewee but just be patient and watch us come good i really do beliver this.

I didnt mean to shout i must keep knocking the caps lock,i am just off the x amount of beers i have had.

roberto green wrote:

peewee wrote:

roberto green wrote:In about 20 years there will be a european league with those that have conquered it the most at the very top seeding and liverpool will be within the elite..

yeah and nottingham forest will be in there with man utd   

Yes indead forest and united in the same seeding the"nationwide european league".

youv'e won it 2 times youve won it 2 times the same as forest youve won it 2 times

you come up with some valid point Pewee but just be patient and watch us come good i really do beliver this.

I didnt mean to shout i must keep knocking the caps lock,i am just off the x amount of beers i have had.

The Grudge wrote:Negative and unfaithfully droll as ever then Mick?

Listen fella ...today we will beat Spurs and get 3 points..if we dont i will buy you a personality that comes with a free penis extension!


Hold me to it!

What happened to believing???

peewee wrote:no mate, chelsea and real madrid sack their manager without any good reason, but constant failure in the league is good reason.

what do you suggest, if he fails to win the league, or if he continues with his rotation that doesn't work (again i will refer you to our previous 3 seasons and this season) that we just give him a job for life.

come on, the club comes first and if the manager doesn't cut it then its bad for the club. the league is the most important thing, all these people saying europe is more important are wrong, they are saying that because we won it.

please don't take this as patronising mate because i don't know how old you are, but when you see your team win the league you will understand what i mean, then you will know you are the best, you will know you have the best team who have done it consistently week in week out, thats what is needed, ok the cup wins are nice but they are not the league, they don't show consistency.

but just remind me what we won last season................... thats right mate nothing, not only that we were 21 points behind the winners. read that again 21 points, thats 7 games   

in his second season rafa saw a little bit of sense and started sending out a consistent team, we benefited and went on a long  good run, but the reverted to rotation again for the next season and we finished 21 points behind, its not hard to work out mate is it