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by **2cute4u** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:09 am

Im the devil in disguise.

Lets play a game before I go-you have to identify who I am referring to from what I remember.

1.Theres no need for sleeping tablets when this guys posting....he will go all round the world to say something which can be said in 2 or 3 words. A very boring individual IMHO, FWIW.

Who? Answers on a postcard plz.

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:12 am

2cute4u wrote: Im the devil in disguise.

Lets play a game before I go-you have to identify who I am referring to from what I remember.

1.Theres no need for sleeping tablets when this guys posting....he will go all round the world to say something which can be said in 2 or 3 words. A very boring individual IMHO, FWIW.

Who? Answers on a postcard plz.

Alex Ferguson?

by **Judge** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:12 am

liverpoolanytime ?

by **bigmick** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:15 am

Yes I think it probably is that Oasis character. During the period which he was absent from the forum, he might have taken the trouble to study the game a little bit so as to help him have a coherent opinion on it. Alas though it rarely happens with people such as this. They are happy to lurch through a life of wanton buffoonery, all the while clueless as to what is going on around them.

Once a fool always a fool unfortunately and the supreme irony of spending your own time, unpaid, to go onto an internet forum to "wind up" some football supporters despite the fact that all the while you do not have even the most basic appreciation of the rudiments of Association Football, is lost on them.

It's the acceptance of their lot, the total lack of aspirational thought which baffles me. Happy to co-exist with various crack-heads, dole wasters and hygenically challenged urchins in an overcrowded, mono-browed enclave of some God forsaken backwater, they crawl out annually to demonstrate that they still don't get it, they still don't understand. What's worse, is that they never will.

by **2cute4u** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:18 am

see what I mean?
:sleep

I feel so tired now Im going to bed

by **bigmick** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:19 am

Nightie night then.

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:20 am

Oasis feck of you bitter "meffy skiddy"

Your Mum has a lot to answer for :no

the dirty old scutter that she is.

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:21 am

And don't let the crabs...I mean, bed bugs bite.

by **Ciggy** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:24 am

2cute4u wrote:I know Im a boring Hermaphrodite with a willy and a mary. Please advise me on what I should keep I am getting the op soon for removal of one of my genitalia.

Should I keep the willy or the mary?

Thanx for the advice.

Do you think this is the Jeremy Kyle show?

by **Judge** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:54 am

Jerry springer, here we go

by **Ade** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:58 am

bigmick wrote:I seem to remember an Italian team giving Man Utd a good hiding in the Champions League semi a couple of years back before we gave the feckers a three goal start and still smacked their erse Similarly last season, the team which absolutely fecking banjoed them 3-0 in the semi was as lucky as erseholes to prevent us from winning it for a sixth time.

So are we better suited to European football under Benitez then Mick? Seems we are.

BTW, I agree with your original post - Kuyt, Riise and Carson have to go.

Last week, when everyone was picking their team for this fixture, i wanted Stevie on the right, with Lucas and Masch in the middle. For me, Stevie doesn't influence games against Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea as much as he should. The game needs to be better paced with better passing in the middle, and Lucas and Masch/Alonso need to be brought on now as our favoured central midfield against the top English sides.

I now think it's time to put Stevie wide right against the other big 3, as I think he can do real damage, and he would put the frighteners on Ronaldo and Evra. Joe and Ashley, and whoever the :censored:

play with Clichy.

When the other big 3 play us they ID Gerrard as our main threat and flood the middle around him, outnumber him. Put him out wide and they can't do that.

It's either that or play 4-2-3-1, with 2 out of Lucas/Masch/Xabi holding, Stevie in the middle of the 3, behind Torres, Babel out left, cutting in, and Benny wide right.

we're not out of it yet - Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea all have a tough run of games coming up - but there's no point playing cagey now. Bring on Babel full tilt and let's go for it. All or nothing now

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:07 pm

Ade wrote:
bigmick wrote:I seem to remember an Italian team giving Man Utd a good hiding in the Champions League semi a couple of years back before we gave the feckers a three goal start and still smacked their erse Similarly last season, the team which absolutely fecking banjoed them 3-0 in the semi was as lucky as erseholes to prevent us from winning it for a sixth time.

So are we better suited to European football under Benitez then Mick? Seems we are.

BTW, I agree with your original post - Kuyt, Riise and Carson have to go.

Last week, when everyone was picking their team for this fixture, i wanted Stevie on the right, with Lucas and Masch in the middle. For me, Stevie doesn't influence games against Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea as much as he should. The game needs to be better paced with better passing in the middle, and Lucas and Masch/Alonso need to be brought on now as our favoured central midfield against the top English sides.

I now think it's time to put Stevie wide right against the other big 3, as I think he can do real damage, and he would put the frighteners on Ronaldo and Evra. Joe and Ashley, and whoever the play with Clichy.

When the other big 3 play us they ID Gerrard as our main threat and flood the middle around him, outnumber him. Put him out wide and they can't do that.

It's either that or play 4-2-3-1, with 2 out of Lucas/Masch/Xabi holding, Stevie in the middle of the 3, behind Torres, Babel out left, cutting in, and Benny wide right.

we're not out of it yet - Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea all have a tough run of games coming up - but there's no point playing cagey now. Bring on Babel full tilt and let's go for it. All or nothing now

Interesting point Ade.

I personally prefer Stevie in the middle, but I think your right about the other big 3 out numbering in the middle. So against them it may well be worth a punt though.

But in saying that though I remember the CL game at Stamford bridge last season. Gerrard was deployed on the right, but starved off possesion and Chelsea easily kept him quiet and isolated. His game then was much quieter than it was yesterday, but it could be worth a try if Benitez were to surprise the other big 3 come matchday and select Stevie on the right.

by **The_Rock** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:32 pm

With Alonso on the verge of coming back...and the disappointment of our wing players....Maybe rafa has to go 4-3-3 if he wants to get the best among our squad.

I mean he has 3 central mids that are all of world class quality, and all three are going to want their fair share of time on the pitch. if the are going to folk out 17 mill, for Mash, I guess the bosses would want him to be playing on a regular basis.

Having 3 world class midfielders and gerrard's reluctance to stay on the right flank when he is deployed there.....this is the way to go.

And our right wingers are not as good as kewell......

Reina
Arbeloa Carra Agger Riise
Mash Alonso
Gerrard
Babel Kewell
Torres

Looks good to me....

- I am choosing arbeloa as he is a better attacking full back than finnan
-riise has to be there until we get someone better than him.
-crouch to replace torres if he needs rest
-Pennant to replace babel if he needs rest
-kewell - untouchable.....

This is the way to go until the summer when we get rid of kuyt, voronin & crouch and get a striker as good as torres.

by **Ade** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:44 pm

4-2-3-1 negates the need for a classic no 10 playmaker, which seem to be thin on the ground out there right now. None of the other big 3 in the Prem use one, and if we want to play 4-4-2, Torres needs a little magician, that no 10, to play the Bearsley/Litmanen role. But where are they?

4-2-3-1 - it has to be the way ahead for us now, to get the best out of Xabi Masch and Stevie (Lucas as cover). Should've done this from day one of the season

by **stmichael** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:52 pm

Ade wrote:
bigmick wrote:I seem to remember an Italian team giving Man Utd a good hiding in the Champions League semi a couple of years back before we gave the feckers a three goal start and still smacked their erse Similarly last season, the team which absolutely fecking banjoed them 3-0 in the semi was as lucky as erseholes to prevent us from winning it for a sixth time.

So are we better suited to European football under Benitez then Mick? Seems we are.

BTW, I agree with your original post - Kuyt, Riise and Carson have to go.

Last week, when everyone was picking their team for this fixture, i wanted Stevie on the right, with Lucas and Masch in the middle. For me, Stevie doesn't influence games against Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea as much as he should. The game needs to be better paced with better passing in the middle, and Lucas and Masch/Alonso need to be brought on now as our favoured central midfield against the top English sides.

I now think it's time to put Stevie wide right against the other big 3, as I think he can do real damage, and he would put the frighteners on Ronaldo and Evra. Joe and Ashley, and whoever the play with Clichy.

When the other big 3 play us they ID Gerrard as our main threat and flood the middle around him, outnumber him. Put him out wide and they can't do that.

It's either that or play 4-2-3-1, with 2 out of Lucas/Masch/Xabi holding, Stevie in the middle of the 3, behind Torres, Babel out left, cutting in, and Benny wide right.

we're not out of it yet - Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea all have a tough run of games coming up - but there's no point playing cagey now. Bring on Babel full tilt and let's go for it. All or nothing now

As far as I'm concerned, Rafa can't be blamed for yesterday's defeat. The team was unchanged but quite simply, too many players had an off day. However I do think it's a fair point with regards to us being far more suited to playing in Europe under Rafa than in the Premiership.

However, if comparing us to United, you have to remember the kind of backing Fergie has had compared to Rafa. Rafa would love to be able to go spend £17 million each on potential such as Anderson and Nani and go spend nearly £30 million each on defenders (Ferdinand) and strikers (Rooney). Looking at the sort of spending made available to Ferguson and then the amount available to Rafa is it any wonder we are been left behind and playing catch up?

Rafas hands are tied far more then managers such as Ferguson and when you take into account the amount of time that Ferguson has been at the club is it any wonder he knows this league.

Having said this though, to not to be able to beat the Mancs in seven attempts in the league, and fall victim to the same tactics employed by Fergie all the time is abysmal. Yes we have better attacking players compared to previous seasons, but even that doesn't seem to be making a difference against the top sides. Even with genuine top class talent like Babel at his disposal, Rafa misuses it by playing him wide when he's clearly a striker. I also think Benayoun is far more suited to playing "between the lines" than out wide. Yesterday he just kept cutting infiled and as a consequence, our attacking down the right flank was virtually non-existent.

The reason I am annoyed is because I know how talented Rafa is, more so than Fergie and Wenger, its just that he doesn't apply his talents correctly. Its frustrating when Rafa should be the benchmark for other Managers, yet we look to see if he can match Fergie when it comes to the Premiership.

I also don't think you can discount the style of play issue. Fergie is a master of this league and he has devised a style of play built on winning it year in year out. I think Man United have the perfect blend of attack and defence without a doubt. I don't see them having any weaknesses this year and where they do the quality players can pull those players through. Last year they were the worst United side ever to win the league but they won it on guts and flair alone - they dared in every game and got their rewards. So I think the difference between United and Liverpool is not only some players but also the mentality.

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