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by **Bad Bob** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:13 am

s@int wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:To elaborate, I think Mascherano is a fantastic player but doesn't do enough with the ball going forward. In terms of distribution, Alonso is a better option. Defensively, I don't think Alonso matches the Argentine in terms of pace or tenacity in harrying ball carriers but his defensive positioning and tackling are superior (Masch opts for the risky slide tackle too often, IMO) so it's fairly close in that department. Overall then, Alonso shades it for me and I'll be happy to have him back.

I prefer Mascherano (very slightly)but to be fair to Alonso I am sure he would have benefitted from the return of Kewell. Big difference between hitting Riise with an early ball and getting one to Kewell IMO.

Alonso has not played to his best level for a long while, either he has been "sussed out" or maybe the lack of options infront of him has restricted him slightly. Hopefully he will refind his form when he comes back.

I just hope we manage to keep both.

Agree with that, mate, and would add that Alonso would have also benefited from a resurgent Steven Gerrard playing next to him--not to mention a rampant Fernando Torres ahead of him.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:34 am

Some stats :-

Mascherano Alonso
mins played 608 506
Assists 1 0
Passes 468 299
Passing success 82.1% 77.6%
tackles 63 17
Tackles success 69.8% 58.8%
interceptions 25 12

Link to stats

So surprisingly Mascherano seems to beat Alonso in EVERY Catagory except goals scored (Alonso 2, including one fluke) It also seems to defeat the strange idea that Alonso is the better tackler.

by **mungi** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:36 am

yea but masherano tends to play short simple passes. where xabi tries the risky defence splitting passes which sometimes can be unsuccessful. its insane to compare very different players.

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:47 am

peewee wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Reading the Daily post today and in an interveiw it said that Xabi is back in the squad for the game anyone know if this is true,
Nice to see him back if it is might get a little 10 mins just to get the legs goin

is this the same alonso that certain posters said our blip was due to his injury, then totally missed the fact our good run and great results were achieved when he wasnt playing also.

also its the pro rotationers that said we couldnt do without him while at the same time saying its ok to rotate him, work that one out.

anyway the mancs, i wonder if he will gamble with his team selection, surely he wont for this game

I wasnt lookin for an Alonso start Peewee its just nice to see him back in the squad .
But sayin that yea i do prefer Alonso to Macherano better ball player in my opinion, but everyone got there own opinion

by **112-1077774096** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:48 am

Bamaga man wrote:
I'd still prefer Alonso to Masch

So what.

careful mate, bob has a history of dishing out cards for no reason while ignoring the people who deserve them

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:50 am

mungi wrote:yea but masherano tends to play short simple passes. where xabi tries the risky defence splitting passes which sometimes can be unsuccessful. its insane to compare very different players.

But they are both in competition for the same position (if not the same role) in the team so it would be silly not to compare the two.

Riise and Kewell are also very different players but I know which I prefer to play left midfield.

by **112-1077774096** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:51 am

Bad Bob wrote:To elaborate, I think Mascherano is a fantastic player but doesn't do enough with the ball going forward. In terms of distribution, Alonso is a better option. Defensively, I don't think Alonso matches the Argentine in terms of pace or tenacity in harrying ball carriers but his defensive positioning and tackling are superior (Masch opts for the risky slide tackle too often, IMO) so it's fairly close in that department. Overall then, Alonso shades it for me and I'll be happy to have him back.

maybe if you went to a game you will see the work all the players do off the ball, obviously watching on tv you can only see what they show, sadly this is the same for me the last 5 years but thats why I try and talk about things i know about as opposed to speculating on who is the better player, they both have their plus points but the fact we have performed very well without alonso speaks volumes and shows people can stop blaming the 'blip' on his absence

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:52 am

NANNY RED wrote:
peewee wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Reading the Daily post today and in an interveiw it said that Xabi is back in the squad for the game anyone know if this is true,
Nice to see him back if it is might get a little 10 mins just to get the legs goin

is this the same alonso that certain posters said our blip was due to his injury, then totally missed the fact our good run and great results were achieved when he wasnt playing also.

also its the pro rotationers that said we couldnt do without him while at the same time saying its ok to rotate him, work that one out.

anyway the mancs, i wonder if he will gamble with his team selection, surely he wont for this game

I wasnt lookin for an Alonso start Peewee its just nice to see him back in the squad .
But sayin that yea i do prefer Alonso to Macherano better ball player in my opinion, but everyone got there own opinion

You only prefer Alonso because he reminds you of Bamaga man

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:53 am

Bamaga man wrote:

Oh my god Bamaga that pic has just put me off me bacon sandwich

by **112-1077774096** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:56 am

NANNY RED wrote:
peewee wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Reading the Daily post today and in an interveiw it said that Xabi is back in the squad for the game anyone know if this is true,
Nice to see him back if it is might get a little 10 mins just to get the legs goin

is this the same alonso that certain posters said our blip was due to his injury, then totally missed the fact our good run and great results were achieved when he wasnt playing also.

also its the pro rotationers that said we couldnt do without him while at the same time saying its ok to rotate him, work that one out.

anyway the mancs, i wonder if he will gamble with his team selection, surely he wont for this game

I wasnt lookin for an Alonso start Peewee its just nice to see him back in the squad .
But sayin that yea i do prefer Alonso to Macherano better ball player in my opinion, but everyone got there own opinion

sorry nanny it looks like i was having a go at you, I wasn't, I just wanted to point out while you gave the chance that alonso is not the be all and end all like some people seem to state when they were scrambling round for excuses earlier in the season to defend rafa and our abysmal form

by **112-1077774096** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:59 am

s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
peewee wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Reading the Daily post today and in an interveiw it said that Xabi is back in the squad for the game anyone know if this is true,
Nice to see him back if it is might get a little 10 mins just to get the legs goin

is this the same alonso that certain posters said our blip was due to his injury, then totally missed the fact our good run and great results were achieved when he wasnt playing also.

also its the pro rotationers that said we couldnt do without him while at the same time saying its ok to rotate him, work that one out.

anyway the mancs, i wonder if he will gamble with his team selection, surely he wont for this game

I wasnt lookin for an Alonso start Peewee its just nice to see him back in the squad .
But sayin that yea i do prefer Alonso to Macherano better ball player in my opinion, but everyone got there own opinion

You only prefer Alonso because he reminds you of Bamaga man

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:01 am

s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
peewee wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Reading the Daily post today and in an interveiw it said that Xabi is back in the squad for the game anyone know if this is true,
Nice to see him back if it is might get a little 10 mins just to get the legs goin

is this the same alonso that certain posters said our blip was due to his injury, then totally missed the fact our good run and great results were achieved when he wasnt playing also.

also its the pro rotationers that said we couldnt do without him while at the same time saying its ok to rotate him, work that one out.

anyway the mancs, i wonder if he will gamble with his team selection, surely he wont for this game

I wasnt lookin for an Alonso start Peewee its just nice to see him back in the squad .
But sayin that yea i do prefer Alonso to Macherano better ball player in my opinion, but everyone got there own opinion

You only prefer Alonso because he reminds you of Bamaga man

You got me there Saint :nod

his moves are just as good as Xabi s :laugh:

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:05 am

Daws are Paddy Power still givin 100/1 for a Torres hattrick

by **Woollyback** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:06 am

now then you bunch of bickering schoolgirls...

i'd pick masch ahead of alonso for tomorrow's game, he's the new kaiser - does all the simple stuff dead right 100% of the time and breaks up countless opposition moves. just what you need against a decent side who can play a bit. even if alonso was 100% match fit then i'd still go with masch for this game

i really can't wait for the match, it'll be a sh*te game as usual but those salford c*nts have got it coming to them. shame that little abortion gary neville won't be playing, victory would be all the sweeter if he was there to have it rammed down his inbred throat

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