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by **66-1112520797** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:29 am

s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:Well I offload Carson for whatever we can get for him, and possibly Momo. Like you said we're over stocked in that department and he is the weakest link. I'd much rather have Mascha than Momo, he's just simply a better footballer. Hopefully with the Carson Momo sales we could purchase Mascha.

Left flank I'd leave alone, like you Ivor for now. Right mid hmmm I'd probably leave that alone too Gerrard, Pennant or Benayoun will have to fill in for the remainder of the season there. I dont think we can afford to buy another RM yet. Rafa's purchased the players and now he really needs to get the best out of both Yossi and Jermaine.

CH is a must, I honestly dont know though I havent see many players other than LFC ones this year. If the money were available though I'd take Micah Richards but as thats highly unlikely a cheaky bid for Ledley King. Other than that I have no real idea.

I wouldnt expect to many in's and out's during the Jan transfer window, so maybe Momo and Carson out, Mascha tied down, and a center half in.

Those are my thoughts, definately a lot different from Rafa's, I'd also if not in Jan in the summer offload Kuyt and Voronin. Just leaving Babel, Torres and Crouch upfront, and with the money made from the sale of Kuyt and Voronin bring in David Villa, is that wishfull thinking Ivor yeah probably, actually this is more realistic I'd get Robbie Keane from Spurs good player and is the kind of player we need.

I think I am the only person in England that doesn't rate Robbie Keane.

Him and Berbatov cut through our defence at Anfield like a hot knife through butter. Yes it was their partnership that did the damage, but the pair of them have troubled us more than any other strikers this season.

Keane had a blinder, a good jinky little player who is very creative and direct.

Berbatov had a blinder, Keane did what he does best and got the goals. Other than that he was average. I realise its hard to criticise a striker when he scores 2 goals against us, especially when he has a decent record, but Saunders scored lots of goals before he came to us as well.

I put him in the same class as Defoe and Bent, not quite good enough for Liverpool.

Anyway I will retreat gracefully back into my shell and let the transfer talk resume.

S@int he's a good player, and thats only on that performance, he's been very good for Spurs over the last few years, like I said he's a good player and the kind of style you've been going on about as the 'second creative striker, end of.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:43 am

Bamaga man wrote:
s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:Well I offload Carson for whatever we can get for him, and possibly Momo. Like you said we're over stocked in that department and he is the weakest link. I'd much rather have Mascha than Momo, he's just simply a better footballer. Hopefully with the Carson Momo sales we could purchase Mascha.

Left flank I'd leave alone, like you Ivor for now. Right mid hmmm I'd probably leave that alone too Gerrard, Pennant or Benayoun will have to fill in for the remainder of the season there. I dont think we can afford to buy another RM yet. Rafa's purchased the players and now he really needs to get the best out of both Yossi and Jermaine.

CH is a must, I honestly dont know though I havent see many players other than LFC ones this year. If the money were available though I'd take Micah Richards but as thats highly unlikely a cheaky bid for Ledley King. Other than that I have no real idea.

I wouldnt expect to many in's and out's during the Jan transfer window, so maybe Momo and Carson out, Mascha tied down, and a center half in.

Those are my thoughts, definately a lot different from Rafa's, I'd also if not in Jan in the summer offload Kuyt and Voronin. Just leaving Babel, Torres and Crouch upfront, and with the money made from the sale of Kuyt and Voronin bring in David Villa, is that wishfull thinking Ivor yeah probably, actually this is more realistic I'd get Robbie Keane from Spurs good player and is the kind of player we need.

I think I am the only person in England that doesn't rate Robbie Keane.

Him and Berbatov cut through our defence at Anfield like a hot knife through butter. Yes it was their partnership that did the damage, but the pair of them have troubled us more than any other strikers this season.

Keane had a blinder, a good jinky little player who is very creative and direct.

Berbatov had a blinder, Keane did what he does best and got the goals. Other than that he was average. I realise its hard to criticise a striker when he scores 2 goals against us, especially when he has a decent record, but Saunders scored lots of goals before he came to us as well.

I put him in the same class as Defoe and Bent, not quite good enough for Liverpool.

Anyway I will retreat gracefully back into my shell and let the transfer talk resume.

S@int he's a good player, and thats only on that performance, he's been very good for Spurs over the last few years, like I said he's a good player and the kind of style you've been going on about as the 'second creative striker, end of.

I was trying not to get into this argument, but just for you I will. He's blind as a bat mate, he makes Baros look like Zidane for vision and awareness. He has skill, tricks and 2 good feet but he has no creative talent for others whatsoever. He is good on the ball etc but he's no way a creative player. His ideal role would be lone striker in a poor team, scoring breakaway goals.

Like Bellamy he looks better than what he is.

by **66-1112520797** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:49 am

s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:Well I offload Carson for whatever we can get for him, and possibly Momo. Like you said we're over stocked in that department and he is the weakest link. I'd much rather have Mascha than Momo, he's just simply a better footballer. Hopefully with the Carson Momo sales we could purchase Mascha.

Left flank I'd leave alone, like you Ivor for now. Right mid hmmm I'd probably leave that alone too Gerrard, Pennant or Benayoun will have to fill in for the remainder of the season there. I dont think we can afford to buy another RM yet. Rafa's purchased the players and now he really needs to get the best out of both Yossi and Jermaine.

CH is a must, I honestly dont know though I havent see many players other than LFC ones this year. If the money were available though I'd take Micah Richards but as thats highly unlikely a cheaky bid for Ledley King. Other than that I have no real idea.

I wouldnt expect to many in's and out's during the Jan transfer window, so maybe Momo and Carson out, Mascha tied down, and a center half in.

Those are my thoughts, definately a lot different from Rafa's, I'd also if not in Jan in the summer offload Kuyt and Voronin. Just leaving Babel, Torres and Crouch upfront, and with the money made from the sale of Kuyt and Voronin bring in David Villa, is that wishfull thinking Ivor yeah probably, actually this is more realistic I'd get Robbie Keane from Spurs good player and is the kind of player we need.

I think I am the only person in England that doesn't rate Robbie Keane.

Him and Berbatov cut through our defence at Anfield like a hot knife through butter. Yes it was their partnership that did the damage, but the pair of them have troubled us more than any other strikers this season.

Keane had a blinder, a good jinky little player who is very creative and direct.

Berbatov had a blinder, Keane did what he does best and got the goals. Other than that he was average. I realise its hard to criticise a striker when he scores 2 goals against us, especially when he has a decent record, but Saunders scored lots of goals before he came to us as well.

I put him in the same class as Defoe and Bent, not quite good enough for Liverpool.

Anyway I will retreat gracefully back into my shell and let the transfer talk resume.

S@int he's a good player, and thats only on that performance, he's been very good for Spurs over the last few years, like I said he's a good player and the kind of style you've been going on about as the 'second creative striker, end of.

I was trying not to get into this argument, but just for you I will. He's blind as a bat mate, he makes Baros look like Zidane for vision and awareness. He has skill, tricks and 2 good feet but he has no creative talent for others whatsoever. He is good on the ball etc but he's no way a creative player. His ideal role would be lone striker in a poor team, scoring breakaway goals.

Like Bellamy he looks better than what he is.

In your opinion.

In my opinion he's considerably better than both Kuyt and Voronin.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:53 am

Bamaga man wrote:
s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:Well I offload Carson for whatever we can get for him, and possibly Momo. Like you said we're over stocked in that department and he is the weakest link. I'd much rather have Mascha than Momo, he's just simply a better footballer. Hopefully with the Carson Momo sales we could purchase Mascha.

Left flank I'd leave alone, like you Ivor for now. Right mid hmmm I'd probably leave that alone too Gerrard, Pennant or Benayoun will have to fill in for the remainder of the season there. I dont think we can afford to buy another RM yet. Rafa's purchased the players and now he really needs to get the best out of both Yossi and Jermaine.

CH is a must, I honestly dont know though I havent see many players other than LFC ones this year. If the money were available though I'd take Micah Richards but as thats highly unlikely a cheaky bid for Ledley King. Other than that I have no real idea.

I wouldnt expect to many in's and out's during the Jan transfer window, so maybe Momo and Carson out, Mascha tied down, and a center half in.

Those are my thoughts, definately a lot different from Rafa's, I'd also if not in Jan in the summer offload Kuyt and Voronin. Just leaving Babel, Torres and Crouch upfront, and with the money made from the sale of Kuyt and Voronin bring in David Villa, is that wishfull thinking Ivor yeah probably, actually this is more realistic I'd get Robbie Keane from Spurs good player and is the kind of player we need.

I think I am the only person in England that doesn't rate Robbie Keane.

Him and Berbatov cut through our defence at Anfield like a hot knife through butter. Yes it was their partnership that did the damage, but the pair of them have troubled us more than any other strikers this season.

Keane had a blinder, a good jinky little player who is very creative and direct.

Berbatov had a blinder, Keane did what he does best and got the goals. Other than that he was average. I realise its hard to criticise a striker when he scores 2 goals against us, especially when he has a decent record, but Saunders scored lots of goals before he came to us as well.

I put him in the same class as Defoe and Bent, not quite good enough for Liverpool.

Anyway I will retreat gracefully back into my shell and let the transfer talk resume.

S@int he's a good player, and thats only on that performance, he's been very good for Spurs over the last few years, like I said he's a good player and the kind of style you've been going on about as the 'second creative striker, end of.

I was trying not to get into this argument, but just for you I will. He's blind as a bat mate, he makes Baros look like Zidane for vision and awareness. He has skill, tricks and 2 good feet but he has no creative talent for others whatsoever. He is good on the ball etc but he's no way a creative player. His ideal role would be lone striker in a poor team, scoring breakaway goals.

Like Bellamy he looks better than what he is.

In your opinion.

In mine opinion he's considerably better than both Kuyt and Voronin.

AND PROBABLY ONLY MY OPINION

I know everyone else rates him :down:

by **66-1112520797** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:02 am

No need to shout, I cant here you anyway.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:05 am

Bamaga man wrote:No need to shout, I cant here you anyway.

Sorry Bamaga, I typed it in capitals by mistake and couldn't be bothered re-typing it.

by **bigmick** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:18 am

I think a whole lot depends on what happens in between now and January.

Best case scenario: we beat Man Utd at Home in the League, while continuing with the momentum we currently have. We go to Marseilles and win, after also seeing of Porto at Home. We qualify for the next stages of the Champions league and we are in the hunt (not further than six points behind having played equal games as the leaders) in the Premiership.

Under theses circumatances I'd go for it big time, I'd gamble and go for a big signing up top, as well as probably one other player which I would expect to come straight into the team. If we have a genuine chance of the league, I'd definately go for it, particularly if the team six points ahead of us is Arsenal and not the Mancs, as the suspicion remains that they might just come back to the field.

Worst case scenario is that we lose at home to the Mancs and fall say, nine or ten points off the top of the league, before losing in Marseilles. We'd be out of the league and out of Europe. Under these circumstances, it would seem to me to be pointless gambling huge sums of money mid season (as January transfers are always more of a gamble than Summer ones in my view) and we may as well wait till the end of the season before we re-assess the situation.

My nature is pretty much always to gamble, but on this occasion while for sure I'd be talking to agents and considering options, it really does depend on where we are come the time in my opinion.

by **Bad Bob** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:28 am

Bamaga man wrote:
s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:Well I offload Carson for whatever we can get for him, and possibly Momo. Like you said we're over stocked in that department and he is the weakest link. I'd much rather have Mascha than Momo, he's just simply a better footballer. Hopefully with the Carson Momo sales we could purchase Mascha.

Left flank I'd leave alone, like you Ivor for now. Right mid hmmm I'd probably leave that alone too Gerrard, Pennant or Benayoun will have to fill in for the remainder of the season there. I dont think we can afford to buy another RM yet. Rafa's purchased the players and now he really needs to get the best out of both Yossi and Jermaine.

CH is a must, I honestly dont know though I havent see many players other than LFC ones this year. If the money were available though I'd take Micah Richards but as thats highly unlikely a cheaky bid for Ledley King. Other than that I have no real idea.

I wouldnt expect to many in's and out's during the Jan transfer window, so maybe Momo and Carson out, Mascha tied down, and a center half in.

Those are my thoughts, definately a lot different from Rafa's, I'd also if not in Jan in the summer offload Kuyt and Voronin. Just leaving Babel, Torres and Crouch upfront, and with the money made from the sale of Kuyt and Voronin bring in David Villa, is that wishfull thinking Ivor yeah probably, actually this is more realistic I'd get Robbie Keane from Spurs good player and is the kind of player we need.

I think I am the only person in England that doesn't rate Robbie Keane.

Him and Berbatov cut through our defence at Anfield like a hot knife through butter. Yes it was their partnership that did the damage, but the pair of them have troubled us more than any other strikers this season.

Keane had a blinder, a good jinky little player who is very creative and direct.

Berbatov had a blinder, Keane did what he does best and got the goals. Other than that he was average. I realise its hard to criticise a striker when he scores 2 goals against us, especially when he has a decent record, but Saunders scored lots of goals before he came to us as well.

I put him in the same class as Defoe and Bent, not quite good enough for Liverpool.

Anyway I will retreat gracefully back into my shell and let the transfer talk resume.

S@int he's a good player, and thats only on that performance, he's been very good for Spurs over the last few years, like I said he's a good player and the kind of style you've been going on about as the 'second creative striker, end of.

I was trying not to get into this argument, but just for you I will. He's blind as a bat mate, he makes Baros look like Zidane for vision and awareness. He has skill, tricks and 2 good feet but he has no creative talent for others whatsoever. He is good on the ball etc but he's no way a creative player. His ideal role would be lone striker in a poor team, scoring breakaway goals.

Like Bellamy he looks better than what he is.

In your opinion.

In my opinion he's considerably better than both Kuyt and Voronin.

My two fence-sitting cents on the Robbie Keane debate. While I agree with Bamaga Man that he would offer us more than either Voronin or Kuyt, I agree with Saint that he is by no means the sort of creative second striker that would dovetail well with Torres.

There's not much chance we could get Atletico Madrid to talk, given our swoop for Torres in the summer, but I would love to see Aguerro come to Anfield and renew his partnership with Torres.

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:39 am

Bamaga man wrote:
s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:Well I offload Carson for whatever we can get for him, and possibly Momo. Like you said we're over stocked in that department and he is the weakest link. I'd much rather have Mascha than Momo, he's just simply a better footballer. Hopefully with the Carson Momo sales we could purchase Mascha.

Left flank I'd leave alone, like you Ivor for now. Right mid hmmm I'd probably leave that alone too Gerrard, Pennant or Benayoun will have to fill in for the remainder of the season there. I dont think we can afford to buy another RM yet. Rafa's purchased the players and now he really needs to get the best out of both Yossi and Jermaine.

CH is a must, I honestly dont know though I havent see many players other than LFC ones this year. If the money were available though I'd take Micah Richards but as thats highly unlikely a cheaky bid for Ledley King. Other than that I have no real idea.

I wouldnt expect to many in's and out's during the Jan transfer window, so maybe Momo and Carson out, Mascha tied down, and a center half in.

Those are my thoughts, definately a lot different from Rafa's, I'd also if not in Jan in the summer offload Kuyt and Voronin. Just leaving Babel, Torres and Crouch upfront, and with the money made from the sale of Kuyt and Voronin bring in David Villa, is that wishfull thinking Ivor yeah probably, actually this is more realistic I'd get Robbie Keane from Spurs good player and is the kind of player we need.

I think I am the only person in England that doesn't rate Robbie Keane.

Him and Berbatov cut through our defence at Anfield like a hot knife through butter. Yes it was their partnership that did the damage, but the pair of them have troubled us more than any other strikers this season.

Keane had a blinder, a good jinky little player who is very creative and direct.

he's a good finisher who takes his chances well , and we need some1 like that , i think he would cost ard 8 to 10 mill and that ould fit the bill nicely if we can offload crouch .. will post on who i tink shud come and go later , gonna go play football nw

by **Owzat** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:24 am

s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:No need to shout, I cant here you anyway.

Sorry Bamaga, I typed it in capitals by mistake and couldn't be bothered re-typing it.

You didn't notice you had a finger on the shift button or didn't notice you had put caps lock on?

They should not sack Rafa before it is clear we won't win the league this season, we had one manager leave while we were set to win the league and that departure signalled the beginning of the end.

You do have to wonder what planet these yanks are on, of course Rafa wants to strengthen the team and squad and it would be decidedly stupid to look at players only during the transfer windows. There's no point him looking at buying say Ronaldinho if in January the owners will say "no way, too expensive". He wants to gauge his spending budget now so he knows who he can look at, that is not unreasonable. He's not going to ask on January 1st "so how much can I have?" and work from there, he needs to have his targets watched NOW and until January to assess his targets, no good looking at them for a few days or weeks in January.

I bet the problem is the yanks don't fancy spending any more money and they're evading the issue because they are worried it will upset the applecart. Rafa is right to challenge them now, he needs to know and if they're not going to be open about it then I think we're in sh1t

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:35 pm

You didn't notice you had a finger on the shift button or didn't notice you had put caps lock on?

I didn't notice I had the caps lock on mate, I only use one finger to type (thumb for spacebar) and hardly look at the screen as I have to concentrate on the keyboard. I never use the shift key for Capitals as it would mean having to use my other hand which usually holds my cig

by **Perry Digweed** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:52 pm

Really think we need to strenghten midfield-not much quality in depth in this area.

by **mkingdom** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:58 pm

We HAVE to get a quality CB as cover. Agger being out has cost us already this season. Sammi is now, not good enough...not his fault...just a fact.

Any decent English CB will be silly money...like

Richards
King
Upson

so no doubt it will be an unknown (to me) CB from overseas.

Richards would be a great signing though as he can cover RB too.

I would really love to see how good a Torres/Crouch partnership could be for a run of six games. This could tell us whether we need to blow big money on another world class striker or not.

Having said that, Torres has shown what a difference a big money striker can make if it is the right signing. Imagine what we could do with another £25m striker alongside him. Manure have that in Rooney and Teves, and yesterday proved even they need this to really perform.

So for me, CB and striker...but I suspect we won't make any earth shattering signings in Jan...more a couple out, and some sub £10m players in, most likely youngsters for the future.

by **Leonmc0708** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:04 pm

s@int wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:Well I offload Carson for whatever we can get for him, and possibly Momo. Like you said we're over stocked in that department and he is the weakest link. I'd much rather have Mascha than Momo, he's just simply a better footballer. Hopefully with the Carson Momo sales we could purchase Mascha.

Left flank I'd leave alone, like you Ivor for now. Right mid hmmm I'd probably leave that alone too Gerrard, Pennant or Benayoun will have to fill in for the remainder of the season there. I dont think we can afford to buy another RM yet. Rafa's purchased the players and now he really needs to get the best out of both Yossi and Jermaine.

CH is a must, I honestly dont know though I havent see many players other than LFC ones this year. If the money were available though I'd take Micah Richards but as thats highly unlikely a cheaky bid for Ledley King. Other than that I have no real idea.

I wouldnt expect to many in's and out's during the Jan transfer window, so maybe Momo and Carson out, Mascha tied down, and a center half in.

Those are my thoughts, definately a lot different from Rafa's, I'd also if not in Jan in the summer offload Kuyt and Voronin. Just leaving Babel, Torres and Crouch upfront, and with the money made from the sale of Kuyt and Voronin bring in David Villa, is that wishfull thinking Ivor yeah probably, actually this is more realistic I'd get Robbie Keane from Spurs good player and is the kind of player we need.

I think I am the only person in England that doesn't rate Robbie Keane.

no.

by **Ciggy** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:06 pm

Perry Digweed wrote:Really think we need to strenghten midfield-not much quality in depth in this area.

Are you taking the p!ss?

Mind you with a name like that you probably are now run along............

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