NiftyNeil wrote:peewee wrote:NiftyNeil wrote:peewee wrote:Bad Bob wrote:peewee wrote:qualification is not in our own hands
Is that true?
Aren't the standings as follows?:
Porto 8
Marseille 7
LFC 4
Besiktas 3
By my maths, we're through if we beat Porto and Marseille (assuming they both beat Besiktas), unless Marseille manage to tonk Besiktas by an even greater scoreline to over come our goal difference advantage. Have I missed something?
yes bob, you have missed the point that its not in our hands, we still have to rely on other results
the most we can get is 10 points, that means beating porto and marseille, if that happens and they both beat bestikas that will leave porto on 11 points and qualified and marseille on 10 points, so of course it will come down to goal difference. so like i say its not in our hands, we have to rely on others to not better us.
the fact is if we win our two games we will not automatically go through, we have to hope marseille dont do what we did last night.
You're wrong peewee. It's very much in our hands. If we finish on the same points as Marseille, then it goes on head to head results. If it finishes 1-0 to us, then it will go to goal difference. We need to beat Porto and Marseille, it doesn't get much more in our own hands than that.
Back to the game.!n' awesome!! What a statement of intent, to come out of our "rut" with an emphatic win. Rafa needs to do the right thing now and pick the same players for the game against Fulham. No more dickin' about. I can't believe that Crouch has hardly had a game this season, especially given Kuyt's form.
no mate i am not wrong, qualification does not rest in our hands. even if we win our two games we still have to rely on others for us to win on goal difference. the fact is we can not get through on points alone if marseille beat besiktas, thats what i am getting at.
its not as though two wins will guarantee us second place, this is the point i am making
I know exactly what you mean, but qualification is still in our own hands. If we win our next two games, say 4-0, then we will qualify. Compare this situation to that of the National team. If Russia win their remaining two games and Croatia win their next game, then England cannot qualify - even if they beat Croatia 100 - 0.
Now that, my friend, is the difference between having qualification in your own hands and having to rely on other results.
Apart from the head-to-head bit, this is what I thought. So, the only aspect that's not in our hands is how much Marseille beat Besiktas by, which only matters if (after beating Porto) we only beat them 1-0 (bringing us level on head-to-head meetings). So, I'd say it's 98% in our hands!
