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by **Scottbot** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:30 am

Let's just go out and play 'pass and move'. It's that straight forward is it? The football hasn't been pretty the past few weeks but don't all sit their pretending we've been nothing but a long ball team the past four seasons.

Sure it's been mentioned before but we played some lovely pass & move football under Roy Evans and won f..u..c...k all.

by **red_guy** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:05 pm

Scottbot wrote:Let's just go out and play 'pass and move'. It's that straight forward is it? The football hasn't been pretty the past few weeks but don't all sit their pretending we've been nothing but a long ball team the past four seasons.

Sure it's been mentioned before but we played some lovely pass & move football under Roy Evans and won f..u..c...k all.

that's why i don't agree with 'Rafa has to go' Sentiments... At least his tactical knowledge is a lot superior than most managers around. anyway, Rafa can always try something new...

by **puroresu** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:05 pm

Scottbot wrote:Let's just go out and play 'pass and move'. It's that straight forward is it? The football hasn't been pretty the past few weeks but don't all sit their pretending we've been nothing but a long ball team the past four seasons.

Sure it's been mentioned before but we played some lovely pass & move football under Roy Evans and won f..u..c...k all.

U cant argue that under Rafa is hasnt been the most expansive of football? It will be interesting to see how the team starts and whether Rafa will actually go 4 the win or put out a negative side with the aim of not conceding.

by **SuperScouser** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:41 pm

any1 goin ??

i am in the lower tier row 23

by **redsince2001** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:47 pm

if rafa puts out a negative side with the aim of not conceding ... MARK MY WORDS .... WE WILL LOSE :angry:

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:47 pm

Scottbot wrote:Let's just go out and play 'pass and move'. It's that straight forward is it? The football hasn't been pretty the past few weeks but don't all sit their pretending we've been nothing but a long ball team the past four seasons.

Sure it's been mentioned before but we played some lovely pass & move football under Roy Evans and won f..u..c...k all.

Coca Cola cup in 95 shows we did something :P

Also under Evans we were never more than 20 points the champions like we have been under Benitez, so in english football passing works. Bit of advice go and watch some videos of Livepool in the mid 80s and watch better football than Arsenal play now. Passing football is what will trophies in the english game.

by **puroresu** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:00 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Scottbot wrote:Let's just go out and play 'pass and move'. It's that straight forward is it? The football hasn't been pretty the past few weeks but don't all sit their pretending we've been nothing but a long ball team the past four seasons.

Sure it's been mentioned before but we played some lovely pass & move football under Roy Evans and won f..u..c...k all.

Coca Cola cup in 95 shows we did something :P

Also under Evans we were never more than 20 points the champions like we have been under Benitez, so in english football passing works. Bit of advice go and watch some videos of Livepool in the mid 80s and watch better football than Arsenal play now. Passing football is what will trophies in the english game.

My friend is an arsenal fan and all he says to me is "its like watching Liverpool in the 80's".

The football under evans was great. He was the first manager to ditch the 4-4-2 and started the wingback craze. At times we would destroy sides. We would go to OT and play them off the park.

He took over at a bad time for the club and after 4 years never won the title but hey neither did houllier and this is rafa's 4th year.

by **Scottbot** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:59 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Coca Cola cup in 95 shows we did something :P

Also under Evans we were never more than 20 points the champions like we have been under Benitez, so in english football passing works. Bit of advice go and watch some videos of Livepool in the mid 80s and watch better football than Arsenal play now. Passing football is what will trophies in the english game.

I'm not knocking Evans and i loved watching us play for much of his tenure but i nver felt like we were gonna win anything.

As for the 80's i'm not so young (unfortunately) that i can't remember how good we were to watch back then, i've got a copy of the 5-1 demolition of Notts Forest on tape and watched it back a little while ago, fantastic stuff.

BUT while we don't play the most expansive game under Benitez a lot of posters are now painting a picture of Rafa's teams as boring, predictable, long-ball, negative etc. The media do the same but it's lazy journalism, we have put in some fantastic performances in Benitez's tenure. While we have struggled to sort out the away form every other season, our home form has been very good. I would argue that we have passed the ball well, controlled games and attacked visiting teams. OK, it hasn't always been scintilating but we've still played a lot of good football under Rafa.

by **stmichael** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:11 pm

Scottbot wrote:BUT while we don't play the most expansive game under Benitez a lot of posters are now painting a picture of Rafa's teams as boring, predictable, long-ball, negative etc. The media do the same but it's lazy journalism, we have put in some fantastic performances in Benitez's tenure. While we have struggled to sort out the away form every other season, our home form has been very good. I would argue that we have passed the ball well, controlled games and attacked visiting teams. OK, it hasn't always been scintilating but we've still played a lot of good football under Rafa.

it's pure media bias mate simple as. they rarely have a good word to say about us.

i thought we played some brilliant stuff against derby but the media just latch on to how poor derby were. contrast this to arsenal beating one of the worst teams in champions league history 7-0 and it being lauded as one of the greatest perfomances of all time.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:15 pm

Scottbot wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Coca Cola cup in 95 shows we did something :P

Also under Evans we were never more than 20 points the champions like we have been under Benitez, so in english football passing works. Bit of advice go and watch some videos of Livepool in the mid 80s and watch better football than Arsenal play now. Passing football is what will trophies in the english game.

I'm not knocking Evans and i loved watching us play for much of his tenure but i nver felt like we were gonna win anything.

As for the 80's i'm not so young (unfortunately) that i can't remember how good we were to watch back then, i've got a copy of the 5-1 demolition of Notts Forest on tape and watched it back a little while ago, fantastic stuff.

BUT while we don't play the most expansive game under Benitez a lot of posters are now painting a picture of Rafa's teams as boring, predictable, long-ball, negative etc. The media do the same but it's lazy journalism, we have put in some fantastic performances in Benitez's tenure. While we have struggled to sort out the away form every other season, our home form has been very good. I would argue that we have passed the ball well, controlled games and attacked visiting teams. OK, it hasn't always been scintilating but we've still played a lot of good football under Rafa.

I think the side we now have under Benitez is defensively as strong as we've been since Brucie, Nicol, Hansen, Lawro and Staunton was the back 5, but going forward I think Evans had a better bunch of players than Benitez has now. Saying that the players Benitez has at his disposal we could play as good a level of football as we did under Evans. The fans weren't happy under Houllier when we lumped the ball up to Owen to see what happened, with the arrival of Torres and his pace, I think we could revert back to over the top football.

by **babu** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:18 pm

first game in ages i can't watch. gutted.

C'mon RED u men!!

by **Scottbot** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:45 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:The fans weren't happy under Houllier when we lumped the ball up to Owen to see what happened, with the arrival of Torres and his pace, I think we could revert back to over the top football.

That's the last thing i want to see mate but like you say, it's something that 'could' happen and not something that has nessesarily happened already. We have got a bit long-ballish at times with Torres in the side, particularly Reina and to a lesser extent Riise, Carra and Gerrard who have all been guilty of hitting too many hopeful (or Hollywood) balls in the direction of the Spaniard. However, Benitez is no long-ball merchant, his mantra is 'controlling the game' and you cannot do that without the ball.

by **burjennio** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:48 pm

Please may we win this game, if only to halt the whining for a few days

by **peterc1992** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:14 pm

Reina

Finnan Agger JC Arbeloa

Pennant Gerrard Mascherano Benayoun

Babel Crouch

by **europian-kings** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:16 am

i thought agger was still injured?
if he is then i predict this.

reina
arbeloa
carra
hyypia
aurelio
yossi
gerrard
mashcherano
babel
crouch
voronin
subs: kewell, kuyt, lucas, finnan and that shity keeper =]

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