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Postby LFC2007 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:36 am

Emerald Red wrote:Recent examples?

Well, only the obvious ones spring to my mind here. Israel, Burma, Iraq. I dare say there's been quite a few people in those regions that have fled. I'm sure those aren't the only places in conflict the arms dealers have supplied. It's big money, man. Money makes the world spin.[/quote]
As far as I'm aware, munitions are exported from the UK to a number of countries around the world. However, our munitions factories are privatised.

Strictly speaking, Britain in recent times hasn't 'given' munitions to any oppressive regime intent on causing internecine warfare.

There are merely companies forging deals with other countries, according to UK and international regulations.

Business is business. Whether Israel source their munitions from the UK, or an alternative source, is largely inconsequential.


The regulations surrounding munitions exports, are undoubtedly shaped by the views of our gov't and the U.S. gov't.

What they view as an oppressive regime is very different from what you or I may view as an oppressive regime.

What happens to those munitions once exchanged, is out of our control, and hence there will always be the possibility that arm's are appropriated by rogue groups within conflicting regions.

It's perhaps ironic, but to some extent an inevitability. In recent times however, I don't think there have been many clear cut examples.


Burma, to my knowledge, does not import munitions from the UK, or certainly not a significant proportion.

Isreal are predominantly sourced by the U.S. and develop much of their own weapons systems, whilst in Iraq, the weapons used in sectarian violence, are allegedly sourced from Iran.
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Postby Emerald Red » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:43 am

LFC2007 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Recent examples?

Well, only the obvious ones spring to my mind here. Israel, Burma, Iraq. I dare say there's been quite a few people in those regions that have fled. I'm sure those aren't the only places in conflict the arms dealers have supplied. It's big money, man. Money makes the world spin.

As far as I'm aware, munitions are exported from the UK to a number of countries around the world. However, our munitions factories are privatised.

Strictly speaking, Britain in recent times hasn't 'given' munitions to any oppressive regime intent on causing internecine warfare.

There are merely companies forging deals with other countries, according to UK and international regulations.

Business is business. Whether Israel source their munitions from the UK, or an alternative source, is largely inconsequential.


The regulations surrounding munitions exports, are undoubtedly shaped by the views of our gov't and the U.S. gov't.

What they view as an oppressive regime is very different from what you or I may view as an oppressive regime.

What happens to those munitions once exchanged, is out of our control, and hence there will always be the possibility that arm's are appropriated by rogue groups within conflicting regions.

It's perhaps ironic, but to some extent an inevitability. In recent times however, I don't think there have been many clear cut examples.


Burma, to my knowledge, does not import munitions from the UK, or certainly not a significant proportion.

Isreal are predominantly sourced by the U.S. and develop much of their own weapons systems, whilst in Iraq, the weapons used in sectarian violence, are allegedly sourced from Iran.[/quote]
All valid points. But is it not a true and sad fact that some of the likes of the UK, USA, Russia, Israel and all the other super powers in the world's main profitable exports are weapons. Correct me if I'm wrong here, though.
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Postby LFC2007 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:44 am

Emerald Red wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Recent examples?

Well, only the obvious ones spring to my mind here. Israel, Burma, Iraq. I dare say there's been quite a few people in those regions that have fled. I'm sure those aren't the only places in conflict the arms dealers have supplied. It's big money, man. Money makes the world spin.

As far as I'm aware, munitions are exported from the UK to a number of countries around the world. However, our munitions factories are privatised.

Strictly speaking, Britain in recent times hasn't 'given' munitions to any oppressive regime intent on causing internecine warfare.

There are merely companies forging deals with other countries, according to UK and international regulations.

Business is business. Whether Israel source their munitions from the UK, or an alternative source, is largely inconsequential.


The regulations surrounding munitions exports, are undoubtedly shaped by the views of our gov't and the U.S. gov't.

What they view as an oppressive regime is very different from what you or I may view as an oppressive regime.

What happens to those munitions once exchanged, is out of our control, and hence there will always be the possibility that arm's are appropriated by rogue groups within conflicting regions.

It's perhaps ironic, but to some extent an inevitability. In recent times however, I don't think there have been many clear cut examples.


Burma, to my knowledge, does not import munitions from the UK, or certainly not a significant proportion.

Isreal are predominantly sourced by the U.S. and develop much of their own weapons systems, whilst in Iraq, the weapons used in sectarian violence, are allegedly sourced from Iran.

All valid points. But is it not a true and sad fact that some of the likes of the UK, USA, Russia, Israel and all the other super powers in the world's main profitable exports are weapons. Correct me if I'm wrong here, though.[/quote]
There's only one superpower  :;):
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:44 am

Kharhaz wrote:The yanks provided weapons for the Germans during the war did they not?
And they provided weapons for Al Quaida yes?
And Iraq?
And Afghanistan?

Heres what we should do....
We should round em....
Put em in a field....

Not just the Yanks. Russia, France, China and the Uk are the worlds biggest arms supplies.

They are also the five permanent membrs of the U.N. security council.
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Postby Kharhaz » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:46 am

Countries provide other countries with whatever resources they need but the fact is the yanks have provided firearms for all the threats we are up against today. And that was your first argument in which you tried to prove me wrong.
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Postby Emerald Red » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:51 am

LFC2007 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Recent examples?

Well, only the obvious ones spring to my mind here. Israel, Burma, Iraq. I dare say there's been quite a few people in those regions that have fled. I'm sure those aren't the only places in conflict the arms dealers have supplied. It's big money, man. Money makes the world spin.

As far as I'm aware, munitions are exported from the UK to a number of countries around the world. However, our munitions factories are privatised.

Strictly speaking, Britain in recent times hasn't 'given' munitions to any oppressive regime intent on causing internecine warfare.

There are merely companies forging deals with other countries, according to UK and international regulations.

Business is business. Whether Israel source their munitions from the UK, or an alternative source, is largely inconsequential.


The regulations surrounding munitions exports, are undoubtedly shaped by the views of our gov't and the U.S. gov't.

What they view as an oppressive regime is very different from what you or I may view as an oppressive regime.

What happens to those munitions once exchanged, is out of our control, and hence there will always be the possibility that arm's are appropriated by rogue groups within conflicting regions.

It's perhaps ironic, but to some extent an inevitability. In recent times however, I don't think there have been many clear cut examples.


Burma, to my knowledge, does not import munitions from the UK, or certainly not a significant proportion.

Isreal are predominantly sourced by the U.S. and develop much of their own weapons systems, whilst in Iraq, the weapons used in sectarian violence, are allegedly sourced from Iran.

All valid points. But is it not a true and sad fact that some of the likes of the UK, USA, Russia, Israel and all the other super powers in the world's main profitable exports are weapons. Correct me if I'm wrong here, though.

There's only one superpower  :;):

LFC?

But we ain't exporting anything these days, maybe apart from Salif Diao and some dodgy football.
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:59 am

LFC2007 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Recent examples?

Well, only the obvious ones spring to my mind here. Israel, Burma, Iraq. I dare say there's been quite a few people in those regions that have fled. I'm sure those aren't the only places in conflict the arms dealers have supplied. It's big money, man. Money makes the world spin.

As far as I'm aware, munitions are exported from the UK to a number of countries around the world. However, our munitions factories are privatised.

Strictly speaking, Britain in recent times hasn't 'given' munitions to any oppressive regime intent on causing internecine warfare.

There are merely companies forging deals with other countries, according to UK and international regulations.

Business is business. Whether Israel source their munitions from the UK, or an alternative source, is largely inconsequential.


The regulations surrounding munitions exports, are undoubtedly shaped by the views of our gov't and the U.S. gov't.

What they view as an oppressive regime is very different from what you or I may view as an oppressive regime.

What happens to those munitions once exchanged, is out of our control, and hence there will always be the possibility that arm's are appropriated by rogue groups within conflicting regions.

It's perhaps ironic, but to some extent an inevitability. In recent times however, I don't think there have been many clear cut examples.


Burma, to my knowledge, does not import munitions from the UK, or certainly not a significant proportion.

Isreal are predominantly sourced by the U.S. and develop much of their own weapons systems, whilst in Iraq, the weapons used in sectarian violence, are allegedly sourced from Iran.

Care to explain ?

Waiting ?
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Postby Emerald Red » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:59 am

Kharhaz wrote:Countries provide other countries with whatever resources they need but the fact is the yanks have provided firearms for all the threats we are up against today. And that was your first argument in which you tried to prove me wrong.

Wasn't just the yanks. It's well known that it was the taliban the CIA equipped in Afghanistan. Even so, they prefer to use the AK-47 which they get from Russians.

Terrorists don't get equipped by anyone in particular, mate. They take what they can get from anyone or anything. The IRA made most of their bombs from fertilizer and a few other household ingredients. Just takes you to know a bit about science and you can make bombs. If the people who mean are indeed the terrorists?
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:02 am

the americans funded the taliban to fight agaisnt the soviets in afghanistan, terrorists ultimately will show no loyalty, they will side with whoever best suits their needs at any given time
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Postby LFC2007 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:03 am

Bamaga man wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:The yanks provided weapons for the Germans during the war did they not?
And they provided weapons for Al Quaida yes?
And Iraq?
And Afghanistan?

Heres what we should do....
We should round em....
Put em in a field....

Not just the Yanks. Russia, France, China and the Uk are the worlds biggest arms supplies.

They are also the five permanent membrs of the U.N. security council.

1) US
2) Russia
3) Germany
4) France
5) Netherlands
6) UK


China aren't big suppliers, TMK.
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Postby LFC2007 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:04 am

Bamaga man wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Recent examples?

Well, only the obvious ones spring to my mind here. Israel, Burma, Iraq. I dare say there's been quite a few people in those regions that have fled. I'm sure those aren't the only places in conflict the arms dealers have supplied. It's big money, man. Money makes the world spin.

As far as I'm aware, munitions are exported from the UK to a number of countries around the world. However, our munitions factories are privatised.

Strictly speaking, Britain in recent times hasn't 'given' munitions to any oppressive regime intent on causing internecine warfare.

There are merely companies forging deals with other countries, according to UK and international regulations.

Business is business. Whether Israel source their munitions from the UK, or an alternative source, is largely inconsequential.


The regulations surrounding munitions exports, are undoubtedly shaped by the views of our gov't and the U.S. gov't.

What they view as an oppressive regime is very different from what you or I may view as an oppressive regime.

What happens to those munitions once exchanged, is out of our control, and hence there will always be the possibility that arm's are appropriated by rogue groups within conflicting regions.

It's perhaps ironic, but to some extent an inevitability. In recent times however, I don't think there have been many clear cut examples.


Burma, to my knowledge, does not import munitions from the UK, or certainly not a significant proportion.

Isreal are predominantly sourced by the U.S. and develop much of their own weapons systems, whilst in Iraq, the weapons used in sectarian violence, are allegedly sourced from Iran.

Care to explain ?[/quote]
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:05 am

LFC2007 wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:The yanks provided weapons for the Germans during the war did they not?
And they provided weapons for Al Quaida yes?
And Iraq?
And Afghanistan?

Heres what we should do....
We should round em....
Put em in a field....

Not just the Yanks. Russia, France, China and the Uk are the worlds biggest arms supplies.

They are also the five permanent membrs of the U.N. security council.

1) US
2) Russia
3) Germany
4) France
5) Netherlands
6) UK


China aren't big suppliers, TMK.

Where do you get your facts from.

They are incorrect.

Neither are Germany or Holland TMK.
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Postby LFC2007 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:07 am

Bamaga man wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:The yanks provided weapons for the Germans during the war did they not?
And they provided weapons for Al Quaida yes?
And Iraq?
And Afghanistan?

Heres what we should do....
We should round em....
Put em in a field....

Not just the Yanks. Russia, France, China and the Uk are the worlds biggest arms supplies.

They are also the five permanent membrs of the U.N. security council.

1) US
2) Russia
3) Germany
4) France
5) Netherlands
6) UK


China aren't big suppliers, TMK.

Where do you get your facts from.

They are incorrect.

From my source, that list would be correct.
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Postby Emerald Red » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:08 am

LFC2007 wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:The yanks provided weapons for the Germans during the war did they not?
And they provided weapons for Al Quaida yes?
And Iraq?
And Afghanistan?

Heres what we should do....
We should round em....
Put em in a field....

Not just the Yanks. Russia, France, China and the Uk are the worlds biggest arms supplies.

They are also the five permanent membrs of the U.N. security council.

1) US
2) Russia
3) Germany
4) France
5) Netherlands
6) UK


China aren't big suppliers, TMK.

Where do you get your facts from.

They are incorrect.

From my source, that list would be correct.

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Postby 112-1077774096 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:09 am

and of course with china being a communist country you have total access to all their files to back up your claim that they do not provide arms.

just speculation dressed up with good grammar does not make it correct   :D
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