s@int wrote:..... not bad considering Rafa has spent over £100million on strengthening the team.
ConnO'var wrote:s@int wrote:..... not bad considering Rafa has spent over £100million on strengthening the team.
As did Houllier mate....
I guess it's a question how you slice the data available. You could intepret it one way or another I suppose...
For me, at the end of the day is the state of the squad we have now vs at the end of Houllier's 3rd year (before his heart attack) and by god, it's a close call!
If you consider the squad at the end of Houlleir's reign, the purely and simply, it's no contest..... Rafa edges it by half a length at least.
To be fair, until he lost the plot, GH was doing really well. Let's hope that Rafa doesn't follow the path GH went down in his last 2 years.
s@int wrote:ConnO'var wrote:s@int wrote:..... not bad considering Rafa has spent over £100million on strengthening the team.
As did Houllier mate....
I guess it's a question how you slice the data available. You could intepret it one way or another I suppose...
For me, at the end of the day is the state of the squad we have now vs at the end of Houllier's 3rd year (before his heart attack) and by god, it's a close call!
If you consider the squad at the end of Houlleir's reign, the purely and simply, it's no contest..... Rafa edges it by half a length at least.
To be fair, until he lost the plot, GH was doing really well. Let's hope that Rafa doesn't follow the path GH went down in his last 2 years.
Which is pretty much were we came in at the start of the thread mate![]()
But take Houuliers team at the end of his reign, and to be honest there isn't much to choose between them and theteam now. (squad wise there is a huge improvement.)
s@int wrote:The thing is to get a squad of say 14/16 top players necessary for a pick your best team manager is a lot cheaper than getting a squad of 22 top players that you need with a rotation is best manager.
s@int wrote:Houllier didn't take over in the summer of 1998 Bob so unfortunately your list is meaningless, sorry mate . If you call it 3 years YOU WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE A SUPERCUP AND A CHARITY SHIELD MATE
LFC2007 wrote:
Third season: Rafa - reaches another UCL final, unfortunate to lose. Comes third in the league.
Houllier: 2nd in the league.
Rafa wins
I genuinely believe that had we persisted with Houllier, we'd have struggled to stay in the top four.
ConnO'var wrote:LFC2007 wrote:Third season: Rafa - reaches another UCL final, unfortunate to lose. Comes third in the league.
Houllier: 2nd in the league.
Rafa wins
This.... I disagree with.... As Houllier also won the Super Cup in this season. For me, this is a tie
LFC2007 wrote:ConnO'var wrote:LFC2007 wrote:Third season: Rafa - reaches another UCL final, unfortunate to lose. Comes third in the league.
Houllier: 2nd in the league.
Rafa wins
This.... I disagree with.... As Houllier also won the Super Cup in this season. For me, this is a tie
The Super cup, I can't have that swaying it.
A UCL final and third in the league tips it hands down for me in favour of Rafa.
Bad Bob wrote:s@int wrote:Houllier didn't take over in the summer of 1998 Bob so unfortunately your list is meaningless, sorry mate . If you call it 3 years YOU WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE A SUPERCUP AND A CHARITY SHIELD MATE
From .tv:
GERARD HOULLIER OBE
Former Clubs as Staff : Le Touquet, Arras, Noeux-les-Mines, Lens, Paris St Germain
Date of Birth : 03/10/1947
Birthplace : Therouanne
Joined : 1998
PROFILE
Though born in Therouanne, France, Gerard Houllier OBE has a long history of supporting Liverpool. It started in September 1969, when he was teaching at Alsop school in Walton. He stood on the Kop and watched the Reds defeat Dundalk 10-0.
In July 1998, Houllier returned to the city when he was appointed joint manager of the Reds alongside Roy Evans.
Gerard began his managerial career in 1973 as player-coach with Le Touquet. Spells at Arras and Noeux Les Mines followed before he managed Lens for three years and then guided Paris St.Germain to the French title in 1986.
Gerard then became Technical Director and assistant to the French national team, before becoming National Coach himself until 1994. He also coached the French team who won the European Under-18 Championship in 1996, and took the U-20s to the quarter-finals of the World Championships the following year. He also played an instrumental role in France winning the World Cup in 1998.
His managerial talents were much sought after during the summer of 1998 and Liverpool had to move swiftly to secure his services. At first Houllier was joint manager with Roy Evans but when that didn't work, Evans left the club in November 1998.
Houllier assumed sole control and in the summer of 1999 he launched an extensive programme of team rebuilding.
Success followed and in February 2001 he guided the Reds to a first trophy in six years, his first as the Reds won the Worthington Cup. He followed that by leading the Reds to the historic treble and five trophies in 2001, including the FA Cup, UEFA Cup, UEFA Super Cup and Charity Shield.
He had major heart surgery in October 2001 but returned to managerial duties in March 2002 against Roma at Anfield, as the team finished second in the Barclays Premiership in 2001/02 and reached the quarter-final of the Champions League.
Houllier led the team to another Worthington Cup success before he was awarded the prestigious OBE in 2003.
The folllowing season he guided the Reds to Champions League qualification but saw his six-year tenure as Anfield chief curtailed on 24 May 2004.
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Saint, for the sake of the argument about the cups, let's forget that first season of Houllier's and add the 2001/2002 season. That would bring, Houllier's Supercup and Charity Shield into the mix. As Rafa won both of those as well and as they are both somewhat tin-pot cups, we're left with weighing up a CL win and a FA Cup win (Rafa) against the UEFA/FA/League Cup treble (Houllier). You know what, I still think Rafa's achievements in the cups are more impressive and that's before I factor in reaching another CL final, which I still value very, very highly. Feel free to disagree but that's my opinion on the cup comparison.
s@int wrote:
Still wondering where all these KEY signings are that Houllier made that are still playing for us.
If you named Liverpools strongest team how many would be Houllier players :- Finnan, Carra, Riise (arguably) Gerrard, and Kewell. Agger would be chosen ahead of Hyypia now but is still not as good as the Hyypia of 2 or 3 years ago.
Thats half a team, not bad considering Rafa has spent over £100million on strengthening the team.
Rafael Benítez bought 45 players for £126,296,000
Gerard Houllier bought 40 players for £125,400,000
ConnO'var wrote:LFC2007 wrote:ConnO'var wrote:LFC2007 wrote:Third season: Rafa - reaches another UCL final, unfortunate to lose. Comes third in the league.
Houllier: 2nd in the league.
Rafa wins
This.... I disagree with.... As Houllier also won the Super Cup in this season. For me, this is a tie
The Super cup, I can't have that swaying it.
A UCL final and third in the league tips it hands down for me in favour of Rafa.
For me...
2nd in the league with only 7 points differential between the eventual champions and actually winning a cup instead of being in a cup final (albeit the Champions league final no less)... is enough to call it a tie....![]()
ConnO'var wrote:s@int wrote:The thing is to get a squad of say 14/16 top players necessary for a pick your best team manager is a lot cheaper than getting a squad of 22 top players that you need with a rotation is best manager.
Sorry mate... you lost me there.... Care to elaborate?
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