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peewee wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

dawson99 wrote:wtf... i was actually agreeing with Wilhelmson for a bit...kind of. ok hes as elequent as a hippo on acid but i agree with some of his statements and you guys absolutely bullied him...

then he made the hospital comment.. wtf was that about!

as for immigration. of course theres too fricking many!!! its a population thing more than anything. we are building more and more flats and there are too many people in each area (london, north london very worse than anywhere) i dont care if they take our jobs. if more of 'us' got off our 'es wed have the jobs. the government should stop giving so many lazy bar stewards money, get our population working, then let in others if we need them.

there is nothing racist about being patriotic tho, but the hospital quote Wil, that was just stoopid.

He was going all round the houses trying to defend himself thats why i asked him that question and bang he turnrd himself into

He was a nobhead i actualy thought he was educated some education he had

nanny don't confuse yourself here, it's wrong to assume that all people with such beliefs are knuckle draggers, many well educated people have strong beliefs about immigration and also refuse to have any dealings with immigrants, it is not an educational thing, its a matter of that persons principals and beliefs and just because people tend to shout them down and call them racist does not make them wrong.

its the irrational beliefs that let people down, but many pro immigration people also have very irrational views.

the fact remains that many immigrants are a drain on the resources of the UK, whilst many also contribute to the economy. just as many white people are a drain on the economy.  it would be foolish to ignore this, sadly many people are scared to speak out as they get bullied like young wills here (ok his comment about hospitals was out of order if taken literally, i wouldn't want to be treated by anyone who didn't know what they were doing whatever their race, but wills took the bait and exploded).

the fact remains that the UK is heading for an even bigger problem, there will come a time when people will find their voices and it will come to a head. I am like most people, i don't mind as long as the immigrants work and fund their lives rather than come in and sponge of the system, I don't care as long as they abide by the laws of the UK, i don't mind as long as they accepted the Britons have a culture that should be respected rather than mocked and changed, and although I am not religious the immigrants should respect the fact that the UK is predominantly christian and as such christian festivals will be held, they are not being held to offend people, they are being held to celebrate christianity, just like Ramadan is held to celebrate islam.

the UK is (as far as i can see) the only place that bends over backwards to accommodate immigrants and their beliefs, and a lot of the time it is done at the expense of the indigenous population and the second and third generation immigrants who have contributed to british society and the economy.

to me it would be very simple, this is britain, these are our beliefs, these are our laws, this is our language, this is our benefits system and you will be allowed access to benefits once you have contributed to the benefits system by way of taxes. This is not harsh, this should be a minimum acceptable standard and if people are not prepared to meet the minimum standard then they are free to try and emigrate elsewhere. thats not racism, thats protecting your own people (again i include the 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants here and their offspring) and protecting your benefits system.

I left england 5 years ago, i learn the language where i live, i abide by the laws, i accept their culture and religion, and i don't expect anything given to me on a plate, its not hard to do, its minimum acceptable standard.

as for the EU where people have the freedom to move around, that should only be allowed where the person has employment and pays local taxes, or alternatively any benefits the claim should be equal to the benefits they can claim in their own country, i read recently about a polish bricklayer working in england, he was getting benefits for his wife and child who were living in poland, he was sending back the benefits which is about twice the average wage in poland, work that out and tell me thats fair (bearing in mind thats coming form your taxes), then tell me immigration causes no problems, it causes more problems than it cures in my opinion

Bad Bob wrote:For a model as to how to get concerns about immigration across without kicking off WWIII, see Peewee's remarks above.

aw bob you made me go all shy       

Big Niall wrote:If you can't play hurling you should be kicked right out of Ireland

and if you can you shouldn't be allwoed out 

bunglemark2 wrote:Hmmm...Interesting thread here.....
Truth be told, there are a lot of similarities between the UK and Ireland vis-a-vis slack immigration policies. For instance, in the past 12 months, a law was passed providing a one-off payment of €1K (I think !) for each child who is either in the care of, or for whom an adult resident in Ireland, is responsible for. So, even if the child(ren) is actually physically living in say, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, or wherever, the payment is still made. Daft or what.....?
Parts of the city - and I can only speak for Dublin here - are being ghetto-ised as the indigenous population moves out. Don't misinterpret that last fact however - people have the right to move where they like, but if over the course of a few short years, your neighbourhood's make-up changes dramatically, would you feel uncomfortable ? There's integration, and there's colonisation.....seemingly the latter is happening, and it's not good for either side. It creates a haves vs. have-nots ideology.....

Dunno what the way forward is. Integrated planning, for one; spatial planning, for another; regulated in-flow of immigrants another.....

Good thread, though I'm not sure what the original intentions were.....

dawson99 wrote:

Big Niall wrote:If you can't play hurling you should be kicked right out of Ireland

and if you can you shouldn't be allwoed out 

Dawson...
Putting on the best Norn Iron accent....."We know where you live...."

peewee wrote:honica is jewish mate, i think they say 'happy holiday'

Sabre wrote:

bunglemark2 wrote:Hmmm...Interesting thread here.....
Truth be told, there are a lot of similarities between the UK and Ireland vis-a-vis slack immigration policies. For instance, in the past 12 months, a law was passed providing a one-off payment of €1K (I think !) for each child who is either in the care of, or for whom an adult resident in Ireland, is responsible for. So, even if the child(ren) is actually physically living in say, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, or wherever, the payment is still made. Daft or what.....?
Parts of the city - and I can only speak for Dublin here - are being ghetto-ised as the indigenous population moves out. Don't misinterpret that last fact however - people have the right to move where they like, but if over the course of a few short years, your neighbourhood's make-up changes dramatically, would you feel uncomfortable ? There's integration, and there's colonisation.....seemingly the latter is happening, and it's not good for either side. It creates a haves vs. have-nots ideology.....

Dunno what the way forward is. Integrated planning, for one; spatial planning, for another; regulated in-flow of immigrants another.....

Good thread, though I'm not sure what the original intentions were.....

A question on Ireland. Is that true that you changed your constitution some years back, and by the means of it, a children of an inmigrant that is born in Ireland doesn't get the Irish nationality?

Citizen's security is a fair concern. We have ex Albanian and ex kosovar soldiers robbing houses in the east with military tactics, and advanced weapons. Methods that cannot be attacked properly by conventional police. Obviously, we do not want that here, and obviously, we'll combat it with all the resources we have. Criminals like that will be sent off Spain.

BUT, to extend the responsability of this attacks to all the inmigrants coming from the east, and ignoring that the majority of Russians, Romanians and Bulgarians or Polish are tough workers, would be unfair in my part.

The problem is to generalize. The fact that ETA, or IRA were Basque or Irish, didn't make all the rest of the people of that lands terrorist. THe fact there are criminals in the inmigrants, doesn't make all the inmigrants criminal.