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peewee wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

dawson99 wrote:wtf... i was actually agreeing with Wilhelmson for a bit...kind of. ok hes as elequent as a hippo on acid but i agree with some of his statements and you guys absolutely bullied him...

then he made the hospital comment.. wtf was that about!

as for immigration. of course theres too fricking many!!! its a population thing more than anything. we are building more and more flats and there are too many people in each area (london, north london very worse than anywhere) i dont care if they take our jobs. if more of 'us' got off our 'es wed have the jobs. the government should stop giving so many lazy bar stewards money, get our population working, then let in others if we need them.

there is nothing racist about being patriotic tho, but the hospital quote Wil, that was just stoopid.

He was going all round the houses trying to defend himself thats why i asked him that question and bang he turnrd himself into

He was a nobhead i actualy thought he was educated some education he had

nanny don't confuse yourself here, it's wrong to assume that all people with such beliefs are knuckle draggers, many well educated people have strong beliefs about immigration and also refuse to have any dealings with immigrants, it is not an educational thing, its a matter of that persons principals and beliefs and just because people tend to shout them down and call them racist does not make them wrong.

its the irrational beliefs that let people down, but many pro immigration people also have very irrational views.

the fact remains that many immigrants are a drain on the resources of the UK, whilst many also contribute to the economy. just as many white people are a drain on the economy.  it would be foolish to ignore this, sadly many people are scared to speak out as they get bullied like young wills here (ok his comment about hospitals was out of order if taken literally, i wouldn't want to be treated by anyone who didn't know what they were doing whatever their race, but wills took the bait and exploded).

the fact remains that the UK is heading for an even bigger problem, there will come a time when people will find their voices and it will come to a head. I am like most people, i don't mind as long as the immigrants work and fund their lives rather than come in and sponge of the system, I don't care as long as they abide by the laws of the UK, i don't mind as long as they accepted the Britons have a culture that should be respected rather than mocked and changed, and although I am not religious the immigrants should respect the fact that the UK is predominantly christian and as such christian festivals will be held, they are not being held to offend people, they are being held to celebrate christianity, just like Ramadan is held to celebrate islam.

the UK is (as far as i can see) the only place that bends over backwards to accommodate immigrants and their beliefs, and a lot of the time it is done at the expense of the indigenous population and the second and third generation immigrants who have contributed to british society and the economy.

to me it would be very simple, this is britain, these are our beliefs, these are our laws, this is our language, this is our benefits system and you will be allowed access to benefits once you have contributed to the benefits system by way of taxes. This is not harsh, this should be a minimum acceptable standard and if people are not prepared to meet the minimum standard then they are free to try and emigrate elsewhere. thats not racism, thats protecting your own people (again i include the 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants here and their offspring) and protecting your benefits system.

I left england 5 years ago, i learn the language where i live, i abide by the laws, i accept their culture and religion, and i don't expect anything given to me on a plate, its not hard to do, its minimum acceptable standard.

as for the EU where people have the freedom to move around, that should only be allowed where the person has employment and pays local taxes, or alternatively any benefits the claim should be equal to the benefits they can claim in their own country, i read recently about a polish bricklayer working in england, he was getting benefits for his wife and child who were living in poland, he was sending back the benefits which is about twice the average wage in poland, work that out and tell me thats fair (bearing in mind thats coming form your taxes), then tell me immigration causes no problems, it causes more problems than it cures in my opinion

Another good post Peewee wow

I agree with that, and if I'm deemed as a racist then so be it.




















































I hate the french ! 

peewee wrote:honica is jewish mate, i think they say 'happy holiday'

s@int wrote:

peewee wrote:honica is jewish mate, i think they say 'happy holiday'

They have said Happy Holiday in the USA for years mate. Certainly back in the early ninties.

wtf... i was actually agreeing with Wilhelmson for a bit...kind of. ok hes as elequent as a hippo on acid but i agree with some of his statements and you guys absolutely bullied him...

I didn't agree with much that Will said," shooting people on the border" etc was a bit much for me, but looking back he was bullied. No-one forced him to say the things he did though so maybe he had it coming?

Bamaga man wrote:

s@int wrote:

peewee wrote:honica is jewish mate, i think they say 'happy holiday'

They have said Happy Holiday in the USA for years mate. Certainly back in the early ninties.

wtf... i was actually agreeing with Wilhelmson for a bit...kind of. ok hes as elequent as a hippo on acid but i agree with some of his statements and you guys absolutely bullied him...

I didn't agree with much that Will said," shooting people on the border" etc was a bit much for me, but looking back he was bullied. No-one forced him to say the things he did though so maybe he had it coming?

I dont know about being bullied he did go off on one and showed his real colours, I think he got a lot of peoples backs up Saint.

I know he did mate, and not only in this thread (he certainly got me wound up a while back  )and I think he deserved his cards, but he had about 6 or 7 rattling at him. I know how that feels and it isn't nice.

Bamaga man wrote:okay.

I didn't bully you into agreeing did I ? 

s@int wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:okay.

I didn't bully you into agreeing did I ? 

yes.     

Kharhaz wrote:Hate to admit it but Stus right. Where as before we were cool its all a joke now. Heated debates are a no no. Ive mentioned it before and i'll mention it again, its like having new labour in charge of here. Anything controversial results in a card or the topic being locked.

Its not as fun as it used to be.

Bamaga man wrote:

I don't agree with patriotism

TBH with you Niall thats your problem, the internet can immoral and make people do stupid things, if your talking from personel experiance and you find that when you were being patriotic you did some things idiotic fair enough.

But to generalise people who are patriotic for their own reasons, and can keep moral and sensible I do not see a problem.

Bad Bob wrote:Sorry. folks, but I'm not having this stuff about bullying Willhelmsson.  The lad was spouting absolute rubbish about immigrants.  It was not empassioned but reasoned discussion, it was OTT nonsense like:

Wilhelmsson wrote:most immigrants are racist hypocrites who sponge off the state and reap the benefits of the welfare state and English life.

OR

Wilhelmsson wrote:It’s about time the Government pulled our troops out of Iraq and had them checking people entering the country via airports and docks as well as the border and get them to fire on will at anyone who enters here illegally.

IMHO, when you make statements like that you had better be prepared to batten down the hatches and deal with more than a few pointed questions.  He got people riled up--including me--and he was asked to answer for some of his comments.  The fact that his answers stirred the pot even more tells me that we were either dealing with a WUM or with a deeply misguided young lad who had effectively burned his bridges with a lot of people around here.  In essence, he had become Oasis Mark II and that's exactly why he had to go.

Now, had he managed to express concerns about immigration without making sweeping and grossly unfair negative generalizations and especially without making kneejerk, racist assumptions about professional qualifications and the like, I'm sure he'd still be here getting on everyone's t!ts.  Since he couldn't manage it, he's been shown the door and rightly so.

For a model as to how to get concerns about immigration across without kicking off WWIII, see Peewee's remarks above.

Agreed totally. I don't like ripping into a fellow poster but that boy was begging for it and had it coming. The bile that was spewing from him has no place on these boards.

Good riddance.