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by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:10 pm

Wilhelmsson wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:If you take net spending into account, then divide it by each season, Wenger has outspent Rafa.

That's the only stat you can possibly use.

That’s not much of a point considering Wenger has been at Arsenal for over a decade and Rafa has been at Liverpool for less than half of a decade.

I'll simplify it, shall I?

If you take the net amount of money Rafa has spent, then divide it by the 4 seasons he's been here, that number is lower than if you divide Wenger's net spending by the 11 or so seasons he's been at Arsenal.

Do you understand now?

by **LFC2007** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:12 pm

I'd go for:

Reina

Finnan
Hyypia
Carragher
Arbeloa

Gerrard
Mascherano
Alonso
Babel

Torres
Crouch

I can imagine Alonso and Mascherano playing in order to give as much protection as possible to Hyypia, who may have some problems if exposed to Arsenal's quick-witted attack on too many occasions. Riise has been poor, therefore I'd play Arbeloa at left back if fit, he may be more adept and aware at coping with a player like Walcott.

I think Babel is worth a shot on the left, against Besiktas he had some decent runs, although I foresee that he will be afforded much less time and space in this match. I'd like to see him use his pace at the correct times and deliver the ball with a greater degree of intelligence, whilst also having a few shots at the right times. If there isn't a ball on, look for support rather than risk conceding possession.

Hopefully Alonso and Gerrard's ability to spot a pass at some stage will co-incide with Torres's ability to time a run, Crouch is quite nimble with his feet so maybe able to feed through the odd ball also.

Please let this be the game that changes our season for the better.

by **Wilhelmsson** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:33 pm

SoppMeister wrote:It's ugly, but it works and I also think we should go in with that attitude.

I know it's not the sort of game where you experiment, but if Alonso doesn't start I'd love to see Lucas in the line-up. Without Torres, I have to say I can only see us getting a win if lucks heavily on our side - with him, Alonso and good support though, there's no reason why we can't beat them.

I’m afraid if the team tries to match Arsenal in the football stakes, they’ll come out second best, a strong physical presence is needed and the basics need to be implemented and implemented well, if the team can do this then there’s little reason why we cannot win. It will be an ugly win, but a win is a win IMO.

I'll simplify it, shall I?

If you take the net amount of money Rafa has spent, then divide it by the 4 seasons he's been here, that number is lower than if you divide Wenger's net spending by the 11 or so seasons he's been at Arsenal.

Do you understand now?

This proves what exactly? That Rafa has spent less than Wenger? So what? Wenger has been at Arsenal significantly longer than Rafa has been at Liverpool. This statistic doesn’t hold any importance or any relevance IMO.

Also how do you know Wenger has outspent Rafa? Most of Arsenal’s transfers in and out are undisclosed fees, so I am not taking your statistic at face value, especially when there is no concise evidence to back it up.

I’ll give you a fact though; Wenger knows what it takes to win the league and that’s the most important fact when comparing them, not that there is any need for comparison mind.

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:33 pm

Arsenal

season bought(M) sold(M) net(M)

2007/8 6 3 3
2006/7 12 28 -16
2005/6 21 14 7
2004/5 1 3 -2
2003/4 16 0 16
2002/3 7 5 2
2001/2 15 4 11
2000/1 35 32 3
1999/0 23 29 -6
1998/9 14 5 9
1997/8 1 1 0

£25/ 11 = £2.3 average spend

Liverpool

season bought(M) sold(M) net(M)
2007/8 17 12 5
2006/7 45 14 31
2005/6 37 10 27
2004/5 26 3 23

£86/4 = £21Million average spend

Soccerbase

If you take the net amount of money Rafa has spent, then divide it by the 4 seasons he's been here, that number is lower than if you divide Wenger's net spending by the 11 or so seasons he's been at Arsenal.

Not even close Lando

by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:44 pm

Wilhelmsson wrote:
I'll simplify it, shall I?

If you take the net amount of money Rafa has spent, then divide it by the 4 seasons he's been here, that number is lower than if you divide Wenger's net spending by the 11 or so seasons he's been at Arsenal.

Do you understand now?

This proves what exactly? That Rafa has spent less than Wenger? So what? Wenger has been at Arsenal significantly longer than Rafa has been at Liverpool. This statistic doesn’t hold any importance or any relevance IMO.

Also how do you know Wenger has outspent Rafa? Most of Arsenal’s transfers in and out are undisclosed fees, so I am not taking your statistic at face value, especially when there is no concise evidence to back it up.

I’ll give you a fact though; Wenger knows what it takes to win the league and that’s the most important fact when comparing them, not that there is any need for comparison mind.

For the love of buggery. :no

If you take the total spending of Wenger over his reign, then divide it by the seasons he's been there, the number will be bigger than Rafa's spending. This works if the blokes been there 1 year or 100. :no

Read this THEN tell me the stats aren't right.

It works out that Wenger has spent about £2.9m on each player, and Rafa about £1.8m.

Now - stop whining about Wenger's superiority, cretins.

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:46 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Wilhelmsson wrote:
I'll simplify it, shall I?

If you take the net amount of money Rafa has spent, then divide it by the 4 seasons he's been here, that number is lower than if you divide Wenger's net spending by the 11 or so seasons he's been at Arsenal.

Do you understand now?

This proves what exactly? That Rafa has spent less than Wenger? So what? Wenger has been at Arsenal significantly longer than Rafa has been at Liverpool. This statistic doesn’t hold any importance or any relevance IMO.

Also how do you know Wenger has outspent Rafa? Most of Arsenal’s transfers in and out are undisclosed fees, so I am not taking your statistic at face value, especially when there is no concise evidence to back it up.

I’ll give you a fact though; Wenger knows what it takes to win the league and that’s the most important fact when comparing them, not that there is any need for comparison mind.

For the love of buggery.

If you take the total spending of Wenger over his reign, then divide it by the seasons he's been there, the number will be bigger than Rafa's spending. This works if the blokes been there 1 year or 100.

Read this THEN tell me the stats aren't right.

It works out that Wenger has spent about £2.9m on each player, and Rafa about £1.8m.

Now - stop whining about Wenger's superiority, cretins.

You are not right

by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:47 pm

s@int wrote:Arsenal

season bought(M) sold(M) net(M)

2007/8 6 3 3
2006/7 12 28 -16
2005/6 21 14 7
2004/5 1 3 -2
2003/4 16 0 16
2002/3 7 5 2
2001/2 15 4 11
2000/1 35 32 3
1999/0 23 29 -6
1998/9 14 5 9
1987/8 1 1 0

£25/ 11 = £2.3 average spend

Liverpool

season bought(M) sold(M) net(M)
2007/8 17 12 5
2006/7 45 14 31
2005/6 37 10 27
2004/5 26 3 23

£86/4 = £21Million average spend

Soccerbase

If you take the net amount of money Rafa has spent, then divide it by the 4 seasons he's been here, that number is lower than if you divide Wenger's net spending by the 11 or so seasons he's been at Arsenal.

Not even close Lando

Read me, then stop cumming over the frog

by **Wilhelmsson** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:48 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:For the love of buggery.

If you take the total spending of Wenger over his reign, then divide it by the seasons he's been there, the number will be bigger than Rafa's spending. This works if the blokes been there 1 year or 100.

Read this THEN tell me the stats aren't right.

It works out that Wenger has spent about £2.9m on each player, and Rafa about £1.8m.

Now - stop whining about Wenger's superiority, cretins.

There’s still a distant lack of evidence, how people can give an accurate assumption of Wenger’s transfers when the prices are open to dispute is beyond me. What do these facts prove exactly? That Wenger has outspent Rafa? It’s to be expected after all Wenger has been at Arsenal significantly longer than Rafa.

Who is showing Wenger superiority? It’s not showing anything in praising Wenger you know, he is a fantastic manager and I won’t lie, I’m slightly envious of Arsenal for having him.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:49 pm

s@int wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
Wilhelmsson wrote:
I'll simplify it, shall I?

If you take the net amount of money Rafa has spent, then divide it by the 4 seasons he's been here, that number is lower than if you divide Wenger's net spending by the 11 or so seasons he's been at Arsenal.

Do you understand now?

This proves what exactly? That Rafa has spent less than Wenger? So what? Wenger has been at Arsenal significantly longer than Rafa has been at Liverpool. This statistic doesn’t hold any importance or any relevance IMO.

Also how do you know Wenger has outspent Rafa? Most of Arsenal’s transfers in and out are undisclosed fees, so I am not taking your statistic at face value, especially when there is no concise evidence to back it up.

I’ll give you a fact though; Wenger knows what it takes to win the league and that’s the most important fact when comparing them, not that there is any need for comparison mind.

For the love of buggery.

If you take the total spending of Wenger over his reign, then divide it by the seasons he's been there, the number will be bigger than Rafa's spending. This works if the blokes been there 1 year or 100.

Read this THEN tell me the stats aren't right.

It works out that Wenger has spent about £2.9m on each player, and Rafa about £1.8m.

Now - stop whining about Wenger's superiority, cretins.

You are not right

For f*cks sake Saint - read the f*cking thing. It's there in black and white.

Why do Liverpool fans think it's somehow the done thing to big rivals up without the facts?

by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:50 pm

Wilhelmsson wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:For the love of buggery.

If you take the total spending of Wenger over his reign, then divide it by the seasons he's been there, the number will be bigger than Rafa's spending. This works if the blokes been there 1 year or 100.

Read this THEN tell me the stats aren't right.

It works out that Wenger has spent about £2.9m on each player, and Rafa about £1.8m.

Now - stop whining about Wenger's superiority, cretins.

There’s still a distant lack of evidence, how people can give an accurate assumption of Wenger’s transfers when the prices are open to dispute is beyond me. What do these facts prove exactly? That Wenger has outspent Rafa? It’s to be expected after all Wenger has been at Arsenal significantly longer than Rafa.

Who is showing Wenger superiority? It’s not showing anything in praising Wenger you know, he is a fantastic manager and I won’t lie, I’m slightly envious of Arsenal for having him.

The prices are disclosed at the end of each season in their financial report you prune.

by **Sabre** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:50 pm

Liverpool stats

Liverpool

season bought(M) sold(M) net(M)
2007/8 17 12 5
2006/7 45 14 31
2005/6 37 10 27
2004/5 26 3 23

£86/4 = £21Million average spend

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So, let's see if I get this right, this year we have bought less than the previous year, and the last year we bought 45M?, That's something I didn't expect. In what players did we spend 45M last season?

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:51 pm

Show me where my facts are wrong - I took them from the same place as you are quoting.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:52 pm

Wilhelmsson wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:For the love of buggery.

If you take the total spending of Wenger over his reign, then divide it by the seasons he's been there, the number will be bigger than Rafa's spending. This works if the blokes been there 1 year or 100.

Read this THEN tell me the stats aren't right.

It works out that Wenger has spent about £2.9m on each player, and Rafa about £1.8m.

Now - stop whining about Wenger's superiority, cretins.

There’s still a distant lack of evidence, how people can give an accurate assumption of Wenger’s transfers when the prices are open to dispute is beyond me. What do these facts prove exactly? That Wenger has outspent Rafa? It’s to be expected after all Wenger has been at Arsenal significantly longer than Rafa.

Who is showing Wenger superiority? It’s not showing anything in praising Wenger you know, he is a fantastic manager and I won’t lie, I’m slightly envious of Arsenal for having him.

And for god's sake LISTEN.

If you divide his bloody spending between the players - for saying sake £185m/40, then the amount he's spent is £4.6m per player.

When you compare their two records, Rafa has spent less that the frog.

THAT is what it proves.

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:53 pm

Sabre wrote:Liverpool stats

Liverpool

season bought(M) sold(M) net(M)
2007/8 17 12 5
2006/7 45 14 31
2005/6 37 10 27
2004/5 26 3 23

£86/4 = £21Million average spend
]

So, let's see if I get this right, this year we have bought less than the previous year, and the last year we bought 45M?, That's something I didn't expect. In what players did we spend 45M last season?

It splits it up by season Sabre Torres for example came under 2006/7 presumably because he was bought before a certain date.

by **Wilhelmsson** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:54 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:The prices are disclosed at the end of each season in their financial report you prune.

The point is no one really knows the ins and out’s of the finances of the clubs do they? Not you, not me and certainly not some website run by football fans that have a keen interest in accounts.

Again, I shall ask what do your ‘fact’s’ prove and what relevance do they have (if any)?

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