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Postby Sabre » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:38 pm

Woollyback wrote:bring back glen hysen, even he had better hair than voronin

Maybe we should open a new thread anbout hairdressing in off topic Woolly, but I do think that someone has to tell something Voronin about that.

That goes beyond that stuck in the nineties.

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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:38 pm

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gato_busta wrote:If I understand correctly, Crouch should have started the game even if many if not most people here think "he is not good enough and should be sold as soon as the tranfer window opens"? I think its incredible how fast some people change their point of view around here. The main problem at the moment is we don't have the depth we believe we have. With Xabi and Agger out at the moment, Rafa can't really change the team much at all. Hyppia is past his best, he's a great guy but we really are missing Agger. Mascherano is a great defensive midfielder but that is all he offers, as well as Sissoko. Leiva is basically Gerrard Jr. and without Torres, our strikers are not a threat at all. We need Xabi back to put order in midfield and to be able to vary our game since all our opposition know what to expect from us. We have not changed tactics in a long time, in fact we are not able to. What ever happened to Rafas 4-5-1 we used to see when he came in as manager, or the 3-5-2 formation which usually worked for these types of games? I really want all of our players to be available again, and to be honest, Im hoping Rafa starts rotating the team as he used to and not player for player as he is doing now.

I agree this.

Good post.

I'll only add that there are things to improve bar this men, we're scoring goals in set pieces situations, we're losing balls that we didn't use to lose when we play at our standard form.

What a load of BOLLOX, most people voted that Crouch would leave because Rafa's not giving him a chance for some reason. NOT because they don't think he's good enough, or a least better than Kuyt or Voronin. Just read the comments !!!
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Postby Reg » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:38 pm

Wonder if Phil Babb has kept himself fit?  ???
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Postby Igor Zidane » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:39 pm

Dundalk wrote:Is anyone going to ring Steve Staunton ??  :idea

Just phoned him mate , he said he wouldn't touch liverpool with a barge pole, you get sacked after 2 losses in 15 games . He said he'd rather go to real madrid :D
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:39 pm

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gato_busta wrote:If I understand correctly, Crouch should have started the game even if many if not most people here think "he is not good enough and should be sold as soon as the tranfer window opens"? I think its incredible how fast some people change their point of view around here. The main problem at the moment is we don't have the depth we believe we have. With Xabi and Agger out at the moment, Rafa can't really change the team much at all. Hyppia is past his best, he's a great guy but we really are missing Agger. Mascherano is a great defensive midfielder but that is all he offers, as well as Sissoko. Leiva is basically Gerrard Jr. and without Torres, our strikers are not a threat at all. We need Xabi back to put order in midfield and to be able to vary our game since all our opposition know what to expect from us. We have not changed tactics in a long time, in fact we are not able to. What ever happened to Rafas 4-5-1 we used to see when he came in as manager, or the 3-5-2 formation which usually worked for these types of games? I really want all of our players to be available again, and to be honest, Im hoping Rafa starts rotating the team as he used to and not player for player as he is doing now.

I agree this.

Good post.

I'll only add that there are things to improve bar this men, we're scoring goals in set pieces situations, we're losing balls that we didn't use to lose when we play at our standard form.

What a load of BOLLOX, most people voted that Crouch would leave because Rafa's not giving him a chance for some reason. NOT because they don't think he's good enough, or a least better than Kuyt or Voronin. Just read the comments !!!

Saint dont make me dig out all the quotes of Crouch is not good enough mate.
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Postby Ola Mr Benitez » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:40 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
Dundalk wrote:Is anyone going to ring Steve Staunton ??  :idea

Just phoned him mate , he said he wouldn't touch liverpool with a barge pole, you get sacked after 2 losses in 15 games . He said he'd rather go to real madrid :D

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Postby brenitez » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:40 pm

HOW MANY PEOPLE ON HERE SUFFER HUGE KNEEJERK REACTIONS? ?????

RAFA OUT? DO ME A FAVOUR......

We are in a great position in the league; beat arsenal on sunday and win our game in hand and go top!
We're out of the european cup now lets focus on the league without the distraction eh and see where we are in may...
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Postby Sabre » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:40 pm

s@int wrote:
Sabre wrote:
gato_busta wrote:If I understand correctly, Crouch should have started the game even if many if not most people here think "he is not good enough and should be sold as soon as the tranfer window opens"? I think its incredible how fast some people change their point of view around here. The main problem at the moment is we don't have the depth we believe we have. With Xabi and Agger out at the moment, Rafa can't really change the team much at all. Hyppia is past his best, he's a great guy but we really are missing Agger. Mascherano is a great defensive midfielder but that is all he offers, as well as Sissoko. Leiva is basically Gerrard Jr. and without Torres, our strikers are not a threat at all. We need Xabi back to put order in midfield and to be able to vary our game since all our opposition know what to expect from us. We have not changed tactics in a long time, in fact we are not able to. What ever happened to Rafas 4-5-1 we used to see when he came in as manager, or the 3-5-2 formation which usually worked for these types of games? I really want all of our players to be available again, and to be honest, Im hoping Rafa starts rotating the team as he used to and not player for player as he is doing now.

I agree this.

Good post.

I'll only add that there are things to improve bar this men, we're scoring goals in set pieces situations, we're losing balls that we didn't use to lose when we play at our standard form.

What a load of BOLLOX, most people voted that Crouch would leave because Rafa's not giving him a chance for some reason. NOT because they don't think he's good enough, or a least better than Kuyt or Voronin. Just read the comments !!!

To be honest, there are so many people and so many positions and are said so many things, that I didn't pay much attention to that bit of the post.

I agree though the bits in he talks about what we've been lacking in the team.
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Postby Dundalk » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:42 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
Dundalk wrote:Is anyone going to ring Steve Staunton ??  :idea

Just phoned him mate , he said he wouldn't touch liverpool with a barge pole, you get sacked after 2 losses in 15 games . He said he'd rather go to real madrid :D

Our loss, watch Madrid go, you mark my words   :nod
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:43 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
s@int wrote:
Sabre wrote:
gato_busta wrote:If I understand correctly, Crouch should have started the game even if many if not most people here think "he is not good enough and should be sold as soon as the tranfer window opens"? I think its incredible how fast some people change their point of view around here. The main problem at the moment is we don't have the depth we believe we have. With Xabi and Agger out at the moment, Rafa can't really change the team much at all. Hyppia is past his best, he's a great guy but we really are missing Agger. Mascherano is a great defensive midfielder but that is all he offers, as well as Sissoko. Leiva is basically Gerrard Jr. and without Torres, our strikers are not a threat at all. We need Xabi back to put order in midfield and to be able to vary our game since all our opposition know what to expect from us. We have not changed tactics in a long time, in fact we are not able to. What ever happened to Rafas 4-5-1 we used to see when he came in as manager, or the 3-5-2 formation which usually worked for these types of games? I really want all of our players to be available again, and to be honest, Im hoping Rafa starts rotating the team as he used to and not player for player as he is doing now.

I agree this.

Good post.

I'll only add that there are things to improve bar this men, we're scoring goals in set pieces situations, we're losing balls that we didn't use to lose when we play at our standard form.

What a load of BOLLOX, most people voted that Crouch would leave because Rafa's not giving him a chance for some reason. NOT because they don't think he's good enough, or a least better than Kuyt or Voronin. Just read the comments !!!

Saint dont make me dig out all the quotes of Crouch is not good enough mate.

Dig them out, and I will dig out the Kuyt is cr@p thread mate. If you look at the Crouch thread with the poll, the reason most people give for thinking Crouch is on his way out is because he is not being given a chance. Certainly thats was my view, and still is!
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Postby red37 » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:43 pm

To be honest, there are so many people and so many positions and are said so many things


How very true...some of these hypocrits don't even remember which side of the bed the fell out of. Never mind what exactly it was they were 'sticking' by.
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Postby gato_busta » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:44 pm

puroresu wrote:
gato_busta wrote:If I understand correctly, Crouch should have started the game even if many if not most people here think "he is not good enough and should be sold as soon as the tranfer window opens"? I think its incredible how fast some people change their point of view around here. The main problem at the moment is we don't have the depth we believe we have. With Xabi and Agger out at the moment, Rafa can't really change the team much at all. Hyppia is past his best, he's a great guy but we really are missing Agger. Mascherano is a great defensive midfielder but that is all he offers, as well as Sissoko. Leiva is basically Gerrard Jr. and without Torres, our strikers are not a threat at all. We need Xabi back to put order in midfield and to be able to vary our game since all our opposition know what to expect from us. We have not changed tactics in a long time, in fact we are not able to. What ever happened to Rafas 4-5-1 we used to see when he came in as manager, or the 3-5-2 formation which usually worked for these types of games? I really want all of our players to be available again, and to be honest, Im hoping Rafa starts rotating the team as he used to and not player for player as he is doing now.

but I thought the depth was supposed to be there now.  Rafa has spent his money and bought this players.  He signed Kuyt, crouch and vorinin.  He signed Mascherano and sissoko.  He signed pennant.  He signed babel and seems to have no real idea with what to do with him

He signed Mascherano and Sissoko who are both defensive midfielders who offer nothing else to the game. Then there's Gerrard and Leiva who are simmilar players also. The only real wingers we have right now are Pennant and Kewell (who is injured 10 out 12 months a year apparently). Babel is not a winger or at least not a winger for a 4-4-2 formation. Benayoun is a second stiker and IMO is wasted playing there like Luis was in that possition. Depth is not having several players who play in the same possition and do the same thing for the team, it's having different players who play different roles and can offer something different for the team. Right now, our midfield only offers the same horrible performance game after game and the only one that can change that at the moment is Xabi.
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:45 pm

s@int wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
s@int wrote:
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gato_busta wrote:If I understand correctly, Crouch should have started the game even if many if not most people here think "he is not good enough and should be sold as soon as the tranfer window opens"? I think its incredible how fast some people change their point of view around here. The main problem at the moment is we don't have the depth we believe we have. With Xabi and Agger out at the moment, Rafa can't really change the team much at all. Hyppia is past his best, he's a great guy but we really are missing Agger. Mascherano is a great defensive midfielder but that is all he offers, as well as Sissoko. Leiva is basically Gerrard Jr. and without Torres, our strikers are not a threat at all. We need Xabi back to put order in midfield and to be able to vary our game since all our opposition know what to expect from us. We have not changed tactics in a long time, in fact we are not able to. What ever happened to Rafas 4-5-1 we used to see when he came in as manager, or the 3-5-2 formation which usually worked for these types of games? I really want all of our players to be available again, and to be honest, Im hoping Rafa starts rotating the team as he used to and not player for player as he is doing now.

I agree this.

Good post.

I'll only add that there are things to improve bar this men, we're scoring goals in set pieces situations, we're losing balls that we didn't use to lose when we play at our standard form.

What a load of BOLLOX, most people voted that Crouch would leave because Rafa's not giving him a chance for some reason. NOT because they don't think he's good enough, or a least better than Kuyt or Voronin. Just read the comments !!!

Saint dont make me dig out all the quotes of Crouch is not good enough mate.

Dig them out, and I will dig out the Kuyt is cr@p thread mate. If you look at the Crouch thread with the poll, the reason most people give for thinking Crouch is on his way out is because he is not being given a chance. Certainly thats was my view, and still is!

Not arguing with the Kuyt shout, but you cant say most everyone on here didnt say the same about Crouch.
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Postby gato_busta » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:47 pm

s@int wrote:
Sabre wrote:
gato_busta wrote:If I understand correctly, Crouch should have started the game even if many if not most people here think "he is not good enough and should be sold as soon as the tranfer window opens"? I think its incredible how fast some people change their point of view around here. The main problem at the moment is we don't have the depth we believe we have. With Xabi and Agger out at the moment, Rafa can't really change the team much at all. Hyppia is past his best, he's a great guy but we really are missing Agger. Mascherano is a great defensive midfielder but that is all he offers, as well as Sissoko. Leiva is basically Gerrard Jr. and without Torres, our strikers are not a threat at all. We need Xabi back to put order in midfield and to be able to vary our game since all our opposition know what to expect from us. We have not changed tactics in a long time, in fact we are not able to. What ever happened to Rafas 4-5-1 we used to see when he came in as manager, or the 3-5-2 formation which usually worked for these types of games? I really want all of our players to be available again, and to be honest, Im hoping Rafa starts rotating the team as he used to and not player for player as he is doing now.

I agree this.

Good post.

I'll only add that there are things to improve bar this men, we're scoring goals in set pieces situations, we're losing balls that we didn't use to lose when we play at our standard form.

What a load of BOLLOX, most people voted that Crouch would leave because Rafa's not giving him a chance for some reason. NOT because they don't think he's good enough, or a least better than Kuyt or Voronin. Just read the comments !!!

I've read the comments, in fact im one of the few that actually defended Crouch and said he should start up front with Torres.
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Postby Emerald Red » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:47 pm

Reg wrote:Wonder if Phil Babb has kept himself fit?  ???

Na, his balls packed in a long time ago and are still sore.

So I take it we lost then? I'm glad I didn't watch the game going on some of the posts. I'm not bothered. We can still make it through. We'll get better. We just have to beat Arsenal first with a good performance. If we play poor and win, then it will be still a worry to me, because we seem to be stagnating performance wise. Have faith, people. We'll come good.
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