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roberto green wrote:

Smeg wrote:

roberto green wrote:

Smeg wrote:

Graeme Noble wrote:I would love to see Babel playing as a striker more often though because I really think he has the potential to be almost as good as our man Fernando!

First Cisse bumming and now Babel... I'm starting to see a pattern. Both are/were a disgrace to the shirt. But I'm guessing there appearance and pace have alot to do with your assessments.

If Babel ends up half as good as Torres, I'll eat my hat.

Rediculous statement yet again.

That statement is very harsh to say the least.

How long has Babbel played in a red shirt?

To call him not fit to wear the shirt?

Your comparing him to Cisse and you havent even seem him in the striker role or givin him a real chance.

Maybe after a season you could say this but to say it after a handful of games in which he has hardly played, but has shown potential(and scored a good goal) is just a joke, ive read a few ex dutch players reviews on him and they wernt in the Cisse mould,

I think im starting to see a pattern myself and thats that some fans are far to impatient and just basically talk after a few games instead of giving them a chance, you were probally the same type of fan that loved Danny Murphy and wished he still played for us.  

What does it matter how long he's played in a red shirt for? I really don't see the relivance in that point. I could see Torres was good enough after one game as with Alonso.

He's not good enough for Liverpool. Simple as that.

He doesn't need to play upfront for me to see he's a headless chicken who runs down blind alley ways and struggles with the most basic aspects of the game, IE passing and ball control.

Maybe after a season? Listen lad, it doesn't take a season to see if a player can control a ball, or pass, or use their brain (if they have one) or show anything. It may take you 30 games to see if he can control a ball, it make take you 30 games to see if he has intelligence, or awareness, most people, it doesn't.

Where is the potential he's shown? That shot against Chelsea? I completely fail to see this "potential" that everyone bangs on about. Give me the examples of this potential please, I've not seen blistering runs, great turns, passes, intelligence, touches, I just haven't seen anything that makes me think theres something there apart from blind pace and average strength.

All I see is a headless chicken that runs into blind alleys, can't pass, doesn't provide width (which is what he was essentially bought for) and generally struggles to control a ball.

You then go onto his goal... I'm sorry, but the standard of defending wouldn't have looked out of place on a Sunday league pitch, once the defenders had gifted him the space he took his chance well, but to say it was a "good goal" is being generous to the level of defending to say the least.

Torres has potential lad, Gerrard, Rooney, Owen and Fowler had potential. Carragher had potential... Babel doesn't, never has have and never will have. He's not good enough.

I also couldn't give a toss what any "ex dutch player" says. Just because they're a professional or ex professional does that make what they're saying right? In that case Houllier was right about Cheyrou (the next Zidane) then wasn't he... and also the fact he said Diao was (the next Vieira) and Benitez was right about Sissoko (having the potential to be the best central midfielder over the last 15 years).

And you were probably the same sort of fan who couldn't see what Murphy gave to a side in terms of set peice delivery, through balls, vision and the ability to open up a defence with a clever pass or run.

Absoloutely pathetic to be quite honest.

So im right on the Murphy remark straight away i got your type straight away, if Danny Murphy was so good how come he wasnt good enough for Charlton, Spurs and i wouldnt be surprised if he fails at Fulham.
Ok he scored a few good goals,important goals at that,but generaly he was p*ss poor and give the ball away more times than i dont know what.

Your quick to emphasize my word "potential" but that is givin to young skilfull raw type players who most people can see they have it about them,ok some players dont reach there "potential" but thats all part of the meaning but as your such a expert you already know he wont make it although you have not really seen him play much,so you can tell in the 5 mins you have seen him play that he is a disgrace,im sorry but i havent heard such a stupid statement in my life.But at the end of the day Danny Murphy is good just look at him now.lol.

I am the same sort of fan that thought DANNY MURPHY WAS TOTALL SH!T AND I THINK I HAVE BEEN WELL AND TRULY PROVED RIGHT, AS FOR BABBEL I THINK YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT LONGER THAN 7 MATCHES TO PROVE ME WRONG WHICH WONT BE THE CASE.

You "got my type"?

Murphy consistently got 10 a season from midfield. He also consistently gained alot of assists as the weight of his final ball could be exceptional at times. He shown flashes of skill and intelligence. He also shown a lack of premiership fitness.

Murphy was by no means a bad player and for you to come out with a comment like "he wasn't good enough for Charlton" shows the knowledge (or lack of) you actually have on the subject.

I also have seen a hell of a lot more than 5 minutes... infact, against Aston Villa he was on the pitch for about 5 times that so theres that pathetic, clueless arguement out of the window.

Again, I asked for examples of his "potential". You couldn't provide any, why? Because it doesn't exist. A player doesn't have potential because he's big of a different race and fast. Which seems to be the theme these days. Its a bit of a joke to be honest. Players don't learn to control a ball and learn to do things like pass a ball. They can either do it, or they can't.

Its much like with Sissoko... the new Vieira, because he had the same skin colour, same position and was physically excellent, what people failed to realise is the lad didn't have the ability on the ball to get to that level, he still doesn't. Babel is much the same, only Sissoko is a good player, Babel isn't.

I find it laughable that you can't judge a players ability after seven games or so lad... to be honest, I can watch a player once or twice an tell you if they're a good player or not, like i said, it doesn't take me a year or a season to see if someone can control a ball or pass a ball.

By your logic its impossible to say that Torres is a class act because he's not played enough, which again is quite a pathetic statement.

You're the sort of fan that thought Murphy was total ? Says it all lad. You probably got on Carraghers back when he was younger aswell an said how he was, an how bad a signing Finnan was, and Pennant... an how Baros and Sissy would be world beaters... got a red face now lad? Sound familiar?



Listen lad, I don't have to justify meself to you, I've read your posts and to say they're uninformed rubbish would be polite, the more respected posters and the longer standing posters know the score even if alot of them don't like it...

All I've got to say to you on the matter is, Ryan BABEL (not Markus Babbel) is not, never will be, never has been good enough to play for Liverpool FC and when he moves on at a cut price, I'll remind you of that.

Now run along...

*disclaimer... if I get this one wrong, theres a first for everything!

redtrader74 wrote:Danny Murphy was not sh!t, he was a good player, similar to Scholes without the shot, but i think he's one of those players that looks better when he plays with the best, because his vision would be exploited by top class players. probably why he hasn't done so well at Charlton and Spurs.

Admittedly he would lose the ball often, but thats to be expected when you try inventive, intricate passes, its why Makalele has a high pass percentage, as its usually a 5-10yd simple pass. IMO he was hindered by a lack of concetration and consistency that stopped him being a top class player, but he scored and made important goals.

bigmick wrote:In fairness to Murphy they loved him at Charlton as he was their best player but whatever. On the case of Babel, it's all about opinions ans to be perfectly honest I don't necessarily agree with *** that he'll never make it. Having said that, i think to base your argument on the theory that it's too early to call it is daft. If he's proved wrong further down the track, then quote him and destroy him but you can't crticise him because he's come to an early judgement.

In fairness I think so far he's shown very little for the money we shelled out for him. The reason why I'm not yet prepared to give up on him though is you just get little fleeting glimpses of something with him. I can't put my finger on it but there appears to something there with him, just occasionally there is an instant control or a bit of vision. Whether it will manifest itself into anything reamins to be seen, but based on what I've seen sofar my only judgement would be it appears we have paid absolute Everest top dollar for him.

Smeg wrote:All I've got to say to you on the matter is, Ryan BABEL (not Markus Babbel) is not, never will be, never has been good enough to play for Liverpool FC and when he moves on at a cut price, I'll remind you of that.

i don't usually share the optimism that some ppl have on babel... but this is a very harsh thing to say about a 20 year old player and a dutch international at that... I hope you eat your words 

kinda reminds me of the comment that was made about agger on this forum or was that also you?

agree with you on murphy though even though i don't understand the rant about the fan type thing... what kind of fan is a fan that liked murphy and still wants him to stay?

I also agree with big mick on the babel assessment... even though I'm not too impressed with him so far... I just see some glimpses... to be fair to him he is not a pure winger but rafa is playing him in that position... and nowadays it's not surprising to have to pay that much for a young talent with that kind of potential...

That's all...

s@int wrote:TBH I haven't made my mind up about Babel , but thats no surprise really as I'm still clinging on to slim hopes about Kuyt making it

Babel is fast has a powerful shot and has looked no worse than Nani or Anderson at the mancs up to now. He's come from a very slow league, to a very very fast league, maybe he just needs more time to adapt. The one thing he has shown that Cisse didn't is his composed finish against Derby. Fingers crossed, maybe there is more to him than we have seen so far. 

Just to annoy stu :- Henry took a while to settle

Ahh the good old "remember Pires and Henry" arguement...

Good job its you and I know its tongue in cheek because unfortunately for the people who say that, I do remember them quite clearly.

s@int wrote:TBH I haven't made my mind up about Babel , but thats no surprise really as I'm still clinging on to slim hopes about Kuyt making it

Babel is fast has a powerful shot and has looked no worse than Nani or Anderson at the mancs up to now. He's come from a very slow league, to a very very fast league, maybe he just needs more time to adapt. The one thing he has shown that Cisse didn't is his composed finish against Derby. Fingers crossed, maybe there is more to him than we have seen so far. 

Just to annoy stu :- Henry took a while to settle

If you actually remember s@int I said last season aswell how Kuyt was a good player, but only a squad player and that we needed another striker to replace him. I actually said at the time we needed two strikers.

Its quite strange how 10 games into a new season, people are again starting to come round to my way of thinking. I was a fool for saying this last season, I should have said Kuyt will score 100 goals and learn to be the best player in the world this season, unfortunately I can see a players ability level and again, it looks like I've called it right on another player. I actually seen people coming out with rediculous statements like Crouch and Voronin were better players than him... Which of course is complete .

Again i'll say it, Kuyt is a good player. He's capable, but he's no more than a good squad player and isn't good enough to get into any of the other tops sides and for what its worth I think even Spurs have 3 strikers better than him in Defoe, Keane and Berbatov.

maguskwt wrote:

Smeg wrote:All I've got to say to you on the matter is, Ryan BABEL (not Markus Babbel) is not, never will be, never has been good enough to play for Liverpool FC and when he moves on at a cut price, I'll remind you of that.

i don't usually share the optimism that some ppl have on babel... but this is a very harsh thing to say about a 20 year old player and a dutch international at that... I hope you eat your words 

kinda reminds me of the comment that was made about agger on this forum or was that also you?

agree with you on murphy though even though i don't understand the rant about the fan type thing... what kind of fan is a fan that liked murphy and still wants him to stay?

I also agree with big mick on the babel assessment... even though I'm not too impressed with him so far... I just see some glimpses... to be fair to him he is not a pure winger but rafa is playing him in that position... and nowadays it's not surprising to have to pay that much for a young talent with that kind of potential...

That's all...

AB's Red Army wrote:I certainly hope Babel matures into a fine player. But I don't expect him to, in fact when we signed him I was puzzled to why we signed  a player who is neither a true center forward or a winger.

I got into a discussion regarding what signing in the summer would turn out to be the biggest flop [most non-Liverpool fans said Torres  ], but in all honesty I said it would be Ryan Babel.

I hope he proves me wrong though.

Smeg wrote:

maguskwt wrote:

Smeg wrote:All I've got to say to you on the matter is, Ryan BABEL (not Markus Babbel) is not, never will be, never has been good enough to play for Liverpool FC and when he moves on at a cut price, I'll remind you of that.

i don't usually share the optimism that some ppl have on babel... but this is a very harsh thing to say about a 20 year old player and a dutch international at that... I hope you eat your words 

kinda reminds me of the comment that was made about agger on this forum or was that also you?

agree with you on murphy though even though i don't understand the rant about the fan type thing... what kind of fan is a fan that liked murphy and still wants him to stay?

I also agree with big mick on the babel assessment... even though I'm not too impressed with him so far... I just see some glimpses... to be fair to him he is not a pure winger but rafa is playing him in that position... and nowadays it's not surprising to have to pay that much for a young talent with that kind of potential...

That's all...

What sort of potential though? Thats what I'm getting at... Where is the potential?

Smeg wrote:

bigmick wrote:In fairness to Murphy they loved him at Charlton as he was their best player but whatever. On the case of Babel, it's all about opinions ans to be perfectly honest I don't necessarily agree with *** that he'll never make it. Having said that, i think to base your argument on the theory that it's too early to call it is daft. If he's proved wrong further down the track, then quote him and destroy him but you can't crticise him because he's come to an early judgement.

In fairness I think so far he's shown very little for the money we shelled out for him. The reason why I'm not yet prepared to give up on him though is you just get little fleeting glimpses of something with him. I can't put my finger on it but there appears to something there with him, just occasionally there is an instant control or a bit of vision. Whether it will manifest itself into anything reamins to be seen, but based on what I've seen sofar my only judgement would be it appears we have paid absolute Everest top dollar for him.

I wonder what his opinion on Torres is?

Is it a daft comment to say Torres is class after 7 games? Was it daft to say Alonso is class after his first 7 games?

What about Owen, Fowler, Gerrard, Hyypia... all players who after 7 games or so were fans favourates... was that daft to say they're class acts?

I'm curious as to how that wasn't daft (after you seen all their attributes) yet the same with Babel, because he's not upto it is daft...

To be quite honest, he looks an average premiership player... at best. He's not shown me anything so far that Sissy didn't in his time at Liverpool. Infact, he's shown less, thats the truth of the matter, whether some like it or not.