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by **roberto green** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:16 pm

1 Torres-Undoubtly.I dont think anyone could argue against it.

2 Voronin-Although i am yet totally convinced, the games in which he has played (apart from birmingham) he has looked good and i think his goal ratio is good so i think we should give him more of a go with Torres.

3 Babbel-Why not give him a go up front i think we might be pleasantly surprised with how many goals he could score.

4 Benayoun-As a Litmanen type striker off the main striker (Torres) he could well be a good provider just feeding Fernando little slip balls through.

Yes Dirk Kuyt and Peter Crouch both missing and why?

Simple because both of them are too slow, and they both miss sitters and there movement is abysmal off the ball.Generaly not good enough for liverpool f.c

by **Penguins** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:26 pm

1. Torres
A very talented striker whose only negative is that he in some games tries the spectacular and therefore scores less than he should. Our only real class striker.

2. Voronin - He is mobile, smart and has the best shot of the strikers. Has impressed so far. He is an average finisher and not lightning quick but overall does well.

3. Crouch

He has the tools to be dominant in games but uses them too rarely. His technique and skill level is really good and has shown he can be a good header of the ball.
What goes against him is that he can dissappear from games
for some reason and he is a slow player and his heading isn't up to standard.

4. Babel

He has shown some promise but is still a very raw player with some talent. He will only become better playing where he is.
He has a nice shot and nice set of wheels but not very clinical as of yet. In a couple of years I'm sure he'll move up
this ranking.

5. Kuyt

I can not see what he has that a striker should have. He is very slow, he has an awful 1st touch. His finishing is rather poor and he isn't exactly a good header of the ball.
His shots are very much hit or miss.
He has a great work rate and is a rather intelligent player but his skills are ju awful. We will not score alot of goals with him in the side. Not only that, he drops deeper than any other striker which makes less sense since he is a player that should only be in and around the box at all time.

I think Torres needs to play more than he should cause of the alternatives.

Right now my 1st choice would be Torres and Voronin.

Or if you give Crouch many games with Torres so Crouch get some form and belief into his game.

But neither will happen cause of Rafa's love puppet...

by **Graeme Noble** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:47 pm

1. TORRES - world class striker
2. KUYT - work rate is excellent, and does score goals when given the chance
3. VORININ - slow but can score some powerful/great goals
4. CROUCH - lacks quality and awareness, pitiful at heading

by **Graeme Noble** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:50 pm

I would love to see Babel playing as a striker more often though because I really think he has the potential to be almost as good as our man Fernando!

by **maguskwt** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:46 pm

Penguins wrote:3. Crouch

He has the tools to be dominant in games but uses them too rarely. His technique and skill level is really good and has shown he can be a good header of the ball.
What goes against him is that he can dissappear from games
for some reason and he is a slow player and his heading isn't up to standard.

talk about contradiction...

anyway i think it is quite ridiculous some ppl put gerrard in the list of strikers...

he should not be played as a striker period... he's one of the best midfielders in the world so he should be played as a midfielder simple as that...

by **LFC2007** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:05 pm

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:12 pm

I think the topic of this title should be "rate our other three strikers behind Torres".

by **Smeg** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:30 pm

heimdall wrote:On a side note I would actually leave Gerrard on the bench for a few games until he figures out how to play again as he has been awfull recently! No player is bigger than the club and if they aren't performing then they should be benched but it seems that rotation only applies to some players for Rafa!!

Deary, deary me.

Absoloutely rediculous statement. Its quite stupid that people are allowed to post things like this and people aren't allowed to put them in there place.

:no

by **Smeg** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:33 pm

Graeme Noble wrote:I would love to see Babel playing as a striker more often though because I really think he has the potential to be almost as good as our man Fernando!

First Cisse bumming and now Babel... I'm starting to see a pattern. Both are/were a disgrace to the shirt. But I'm guessing there appearance and pace have alot to do with your assessments.

If Babel ends up half as good as Torres, I'll eat my hat.

Rediculous statement yet again.

by **Smeg** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:35 pm

Penguins wrote:3. Crouch

He has the tools to be dominant in games but uses them too rarely. His technique and skill level is really good and has shown he can be a good header of the ball.
What goes against him is that he can dissappear from games
for some reason and he is a slow playerd his heading isn't up to standard.

Good post.

by **yossiBenayoun** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:39 pm

rafa's:
torres
voronin
crouch
kuyt

mine:
torres
kuyt
voronin
crouch

by **roberto green** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:15 pm

Smeg wrote:
Graeme Noble wrote:I would love to see Babel playing as a striker more often though because I really think he has the potential to be almost as good as our man Fernando!

First Cisse bumming and now Babel... I'm starting to see a pattern. Both are/were a disgrace to the shirt. But I'm guessing there appearance and pace have alot to do with your assessments.

If Babel ends up half as good as Torres, I'll eat my hat.

Rediculous statement yet again.

That statement is very harsh to say the least.

How long has Babbel played in a red shirt?

To call him not fit to wear the shirt?

Your comparing him to Cisse and you havent even seem him in the striker role or givin him a real chance.

Maybe after a season you could say this but to say it after a handful of games in which he has hardly played, but has shown potential(and scored a good goal) is just a joke, ive read a few ex dutch players reviews on him and they wernt in the Cisse mould,

I think im starting to see a pattern myself and thats that some fans are far to impatient and just basically talk :censored:

after a few games instead of giving them a chance, you were probally the same type of fan that loved Danny Murphy and wished he still played for us. :no

by **Smeg** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:21 pm

roberto green wrote:
Smeg wrote:
Graeme Noble wrote:I would love to see Babel playing as a striker more often though because I really think he has the potential to be almost as good as our man Fernando!

First Cisse bumming and now Babel... I'm starting to see a pattern. Both are/were a disgrace to the shirt. But I'm guessing there appearance and pace have alot to do with your assessments.

If Babel ends up half as good as Torres, I'll eat my hat.

Rediculous statement yet again.

That statement is very harsh to say the least.

How long has Babbel played in a red shirt?

To call him not fit to wear the shirt?

Your comparing him to Cisse and you havent even seem him in the striker role or givin him a real chance.

Maybe after a season you could say this but to say it after a handful of games in which he has hardly played, but has shown potential(and scored a good goal) is just a joke, ive read a few ex dutch players reviews on him and they wernt in the Cisse mould,

I think im starting to see a pattern myself and thats that some fans are far to impatient and just basically talk after a few games instead of giving them a chance, you were probally the same type of fan that loved Danny Murphy and wished he still played for us.

What does it matter how long he's played in a red shirt for? I really don't see the relivance in that point. I could see Torres was good enough after one game as with Alonso.

He's not good enough for Liverpool. Simple as that.

He doesn't need to play upfront for me to see he's a headless chicken who runs down blind alley ways and struggles with the most basic aspects of the game, IE passing and ball control.

Maybe after a season?

Listen lad, it doesn't take a season to see if a player can control a ball, or pass, or use their brain (if they have one) or show anything. It may take you 30 games to see if he can control a ball, it make take you 30 games to see if he has intelligence, or awareness, most people, it doesn't.

Where is the potential he's shown? That shot against Chelsea? I completely fail to see this "potential" that everyone bangs on about. Give me the examples of this potential please, I've not seen blistering runs, great turns, passes, intelligence, touches, I just haven't seen anything that makes me think theres something there apart from blind pace and average strength.

All I see is a headless chicken that runs into blind alleys, can't pass, doesn't provide width (which is what he was essentially bought for) and generally struggles to control a ball.

You then go onto his goal... I'm sorry, but the standard of defending wouldn't have looked out of place on a Sunday league pitch, once the defenders had gifted him the space he took his chance well, but to say it was a "good goal" is being generous to the level of defending to say the least.

Torres has potential lad, Gerrard, Rooney, Owen and Fowler had potential. Carragher had potential... Babel doesn't, never has have and never will have. He's not good enough.

I also couldn't give a toss what any "ex dutch player" says. Just because they're a professional or ex professional does that make what they're saying right? In that case Houllier was right about Cheyrou (the next Zidane) then wasn't he... and also the fact he said Diao was (the next Vieira) and Benitez was right about Sissoko (having the potential to be the best central midfielder over the last 15 years).

And you were probably the same sort of fan who couldn't see what Murphy gave to a side in terms of set peice delivery, through balls, vision and the ability to open up a defence with a clever pass or run.

Absoloutely pathetic to be quite honest.

by **Leonmc0708** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:42 pm

Smeg wrote:
roberto green wrote:
Smeg wrote:
Graeme Noble wrote:I would love to see Babel playing as a striker more often though because I really think he has the potential to be almost as good as our man Fernando!

First Cisse bumming and now Babel... I'm starting to see a pattern. Both are/were a disgrace to the shirt. But I'm guessing there appearance and pace have alot to do with your assessments.

If Babel ends up half as good as Torres, I'll eat my hat.

Rediculous statement yet again.

That statement is very harsh to say the least.

How long has Babbel played in a red shirt?

To call him not fit to wear the shirt?

Your comparing him to Cisse and you havent even seem him in the striker role or givin him a real chance.

Maybe after a season you could say this but to say it after a handful of games in which he has hardly played, but has shown potential(and scored a good goal) is just a joke, ive read a few ex dutch players reviews on him and they wernt in the Cisse mould,

I think im starting to see a pattern myself and thats that some fans are far to impatient and just basically talk after a few games instead of giving them a chance, you were probally the same type of fan that loved Danny Murphy and wished he still played for us.

What does it matter how long he's played in a red shirt for? I really don't see the relivance in that point. I could see Torres was good enough after one game as with Alonso.

He's not good enough for Liverpool. Simple as that.

He doesn't need to play upfront for me to see he's a headless chicken who runs down blind alley ways and struggles with the most basic aspects of the game, IE passing and ball control.

Maybe after a season? Listen lad, it doesn't take a season to see if a player can control a ball, or pass, or use their brain (if they have one) or show anything. It may take you 30 games to see if he can control a ball, it make take you 30 games to see if he has intelligence, or awareness, most people, it doesn't.

Where is the potential he's shown? That shot against Chelsea? I completely fail to see this "potential" that everyone bangs on about. Give me the examples of this potential please, I've not seen blistering runs, great turns, passes, intelligence, touches, I just haven't seen anything that makes me think theres something there apart from blind pace and average strength.

All I see is a headless chicken that runs into blind alleys, can't pass, doesn't provide width (which is what he was essentially bought for) and generally struggles to control a ball.

You then go onto his goal... I'm sorry, but the standard of defending wouldn't have looked out of place on a Sunday league pitch, once the defenders had gifted him the space he took his chance well, but to say it was a "good goal" is being generous to the level of defending to say the least.

Torres has potential lad, Gerrard, Rooney, Owen and Fowler had potential. Carragher had potential... Babel doesn't, never has have and never will have. He's not good enough.

I also couldn't give a toss what any "ex dutch player" says. Just because they're a professional or ex professional does that make what they're saying right? In that case Houllier was right about Cheyrou (the next Zidane) then wasn't he... and also the fact he said Diao was (the next Vieira) and Benitez was right about Sissoko (having the potential to be the best central midfielder over the last 15 years).

And you were probably the same sort of fan who couldn't see what Murphy gave to a side in terms of set peice delivery, through balls, vision and the ability to open up a defence with a clever pass or run.

Absoloutely pathetic to be quite honest.

Hi Stu.

by **roberto green** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:16 am

Smeg wrote:
roberto green wrote:
Smeg wrote:
Graeme Noble wrote:I would love to see Babel playing as a striker more often though because I really think he has the potential to be almost as good as our man Fernando!

First Cisse bumming and now Babel... I'm starting to see a pattern. Both are/were a disgrace to the shirt. But I'm guessing there appearance and pace have alot to do with your assessments.

If Babel ends up half as good as Torres, I'll eat my hat.

Rediculous statement yet again.

That statement is very harsh to say the least.

How long has Babbel played in a red shirt?

To call him not fit to wear the shirt?

Your comparing him to Cisse and you havent even seem him in the striker role or givin him a real chance.

Maybe after a season you could say this but to say it after a handful of games in which he has hardly played, but has shown potential(and scored a good goal) is just a joke, ive read a few ex dutch players reviews on him and they wernt in the Cisse mould,

I think im starting to see a pattern myself and thats that some fans are far to impatient and just basically talk after a few games instead of giving them a chance, you were probally the same type of fan that loved Danny Murphy and wished he still played for us.

What does it matter how long he's played in a red shirt for? I really don't see the relivance in that point. I could see Torres was good enough after one game as with Alonso.

He's not good enough for Liverpool. Simple as that.

He doesn't need to play upfront for me to see he's a headless chicken who runs down blind alley ways and struggles with the most basic aspects of the game, IE passing and ball control.

Maybe after a season? Listen lad, it doesn't take a season to see if a player can control a ball, or pass, or use their brain (if they have one) or show anything. It may take you 30 games to see if he can control a ball, it make take you 30 games to see if he has intelligence, or awareness, most people, it doesn't.

Where is the potential he's shown? That shot against Chelsea? I completely fail to see this "potential" that everyone bangs on about. Give me the examples of this potential please, I've not seen blistering runs, great turns, passes, intelligence, touches, I just haven't seen anything that makes me think theres something there apart from blind pace and average strength.

All I see is a headless chicken that runs into blind alleys, can't pass, doesn't provide width (which is what he was essentially bought for) and generally struggles to control a ball.

You then go onto his goal... I'm sorry, but the standard of defending wouldn't have looked out of place on a Sunday league pitch, once the defenders had gifted him the space he took his chance well, but to say it was a "good goal" is being generous to the level of defending to say the least.

Torres has potential lad, Gerrard, Rooney, Owen and Fowler had potential. Carragher had potential... Babel doesn't, never has have and never will have. He's not good enough.

I also couldn't give a toss what any "ex dutch player" says. Just because they're a professional or ex professional does that make what they're saying right? In that case Houllier was right about Cheyrou (the next Zidane) then wasn't he... and also the fact he said Diao was (the next Vieira) and Benitez was right about Sissoko (having the potential to be the best central midfielder over the last 15 years).

And you were probably the same sort of fan who couldn't see what Murphy gave to a side in terms of set peice delivery, through balls, vision and the ability to open up a defence with a clever pass or run.

Absoloutely pathetic to be quite honest.

So im right on the Murphy remark straight away i got your type straight away, if Danny Murphy was so good how come he wasnt good enough for Charlton, Spurs and i wouldnt be surprised if he fails at Fulham.
Ok he scored a few good goals,important goals at that,but generaly he was p*ss poor and give the ball away more times than i dont know what.

Your quick to emphasize my word "potential" but that is givin to young skilfull raw type players who most people can see they have it about them,ok some players dont reach there "potential" but thats all part of the meaning but as your such a expert you already know he wont make it although you have not really seen him play much,so you can tell in the 5 mins you have seen him play that he is a disgrace,im sorry but i havent heard such a stupid statement in my life.But at the end of the day Danny Murphy is good just look at him now.lol.

I am the same sort of fan that thought DANNY MURPHY WAS TOTALL SH!T AND I THINK I HAVE BEEN WELL AND TRULY PROVED RIGHT, AS FOR BABBEL I THINK YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT LONGER THAN 7 MATCHES TO PROVE ME WRONG WHICH WONT BE THE CASE.

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