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by **jaytoothetee** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:29 pm

the reading game in midweek got me thinking. it was the carling cup, so we got a first chance to see charles itandje in action. i thought he played ok, but he did look a little ring rusty on occasion. imo this was down to the fact that he has been with us for about a month now, and has only just got to play in a competitive match.

its pretty similar to what happened to dudek last season against arsenal, he didn't play for ages, and when he finally got a game, not suprisingly he wasn't at his best. of course he took the blame for the two defeats, even though it wasn't wholly his fault - if benitez had given him a couple of run-outs in the league, he might have been a bit sharper against arsenal in the cups.

as far as i'm concerned, our second keeper needs to be played more often, so he can keep a decent level of match sharpness throughout the season. also, if reina is injured (touch wood!) it might take 4-5 games for itandje to get used to the style of play in the epl. and we can't afford that if we want to compete for the league this season. naturally, if we were to lose pepe for a lengthy spell, it would be a major blow, but it would be a disaster if itandje wasn't immediately up to scratch when called upon.

your thoughts?

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:52 pm

how often should the keepers be rotated?

by **Leonmc0708** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:55 pm

Rafa rotates and he has got to go.

Now we want him to rotate arguably the most important position ?

Sometimes people freak me out, and sometimes, like now, they just scare me.

Crazy idea.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:02 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:Sometimes people freak me out, and sometimes, like now, they just scare me.

Don't believe this for a minute

I don't think we can afford to rotate our goalkeeper, we just have to hope that Pepe stays fit and maintains his form.

by **dawson99** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:24 pm

we havent conceded a goal in open play in the league in 11 games and people wanna rotate the one position where need ultimate stability?

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:29 am

so since reina must be the first name on the team sheet, how shall charles get a few games under his belt?
i dont think reina should be rotated. its a disaster. lets charles play in league and fa cups.
and reserves too.

by **Owzat** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:08 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:Rafa rotates and he has got to go.

Now we want him to rotate arguably the most important position ?

Sometimes people freak me out, and sometimes, like now, they just scare me.

Crazy idea.

I agree, we have to play our best keeper and hope he doesn't get injured. If we're going to start playing players to make sure they're in passable form then we'd have a ridiculous situation. I think Itandje said himself he expects to play in cups and, while I don't think Reina needs resting, that suits me. I think I'd have five or six players who don't play in the Carling Cup and I'd suggest Torres, Carragher and Gerrard should have been three of those.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:37 pm

jaytoothetee wrote:the reading game in midweek got me thinking. it was the carling cup, so we got a first chance to see charles itandje in action. i thought he played ok, but he did look a little ring rusty on occasion. imo this was down to the fact that he has been with us for about a month now, and has only just got to play in a competitive match.

its pretty similar to what happened to dudek last season against arsenal, he didn't play for ages, and when he finally got a game, not suprisingly he wasn't at his best. of course he took the blame for the two defeats, even though it wasn't wholly his fault - if benitez had given him a couple of run-outs in the league, he might have been a bit sharper against arsenal in the cups.

as far as i'm concerned, our second keeper needs to be played more often, so he can keep a decent level of match sharpness throughout the season. also, if reina is injured (touch wood!) it might take 4-5 games for itandje to get used to the style of play in the epl. and we can't afford that if we want to compete for the league this season. naturally, if we were to lose pepe for a lengthy spell, it would be a major blow, but it would be a disaster if itandje wasn't immediately up to scratch when called upon.

your thoughts?

Surely we would be risking points if we played him without Pepe being injured?

Bizarre...

by **RUSHIE#9** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:51 pm

It's a fair point that should Itandje be needed to appear in the league he may not be properly accustomed or prepared for the rigours of the premiership. Roatating a goalkeeper though just for the sake of giving a backup keeper experience is just madness .
It's the last line of defence (no shit Sherlock :blush:

)and can be the difference between a loss or a win/draw. The modern day keeper knows that if they find themself on the bench they have to be prepared to play a blinder when they get a chance, even in a team that they've never played in before if they want to hold on to that one goalie spot in the team.

by **woof woof !** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:59 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:Surely we would be risking points if we played him without Pepe being injured?

Bizarre...

On the little I've seen of him "risking points if we played him" is something of an understatement , I know it's only one performance that I've seen but it's possibly the most unconvincing debut I've witnessed from a Liverpool keeper. If Pepe's injured god help us .

by **Sabre** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:10 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:Rafa rotates and he has got to go.

Now we want him to rotate arguably the most important position ?

Sometimes people freak me out, and sometimes, like now, they just scare me.

Crazy idea.

Yes I agree it's a position to do little changes, but I like the fact that jaytoothetee acknowledges that a rusty game is just that, the consequence of not playing together with the same back 4 regularly, as many fans jump easily in the conclussion that a keeper is not good enough just because in a couple of actions he lacks confidence.

A change in the keeper might not only affect the goal itself but the CBs too, I'd continue giving chances in the Carling cup to Itandje, it's a competition that if you reach the semifinal then players like Itandje feel they're part of the squad and you keep the player happy, and it's much more than a friendly, so the player has the chance to show the manager he's ready just in case he's needed.

by **woof woof !** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:25 pm

Despite lack of opportinity to work with the back four , in my opinion Itandje looked well below the level I would expect from our reserve keeper.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:26 pm

woof woof ! wrote:Despite lack of opportinity to work with the back four , in my opinion Itandje looked well below the level I would expect from our reserve keeper.

In other words, you think he's shit.

by **metalhead** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:48 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:Despite lack of opportinity to work with the back four , in my opinion Itandje looked well below the level I would expect from our reserve keeper.

In other words, you think he's shit.

he is

.

Just awful, the second goal that we conceded shows it.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:19 am

reminds me abit of david james

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