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by **AB's Red Army** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:50 pm

s@int wrote:Alonso and Agger both suffered stress fractures rather than due to a tackle etc, could this be a repercussion from losing Pako?

Definition: A metatarsal stress fracture is a common cause of foot pain, especially when people suddenly increase their activities. This type of injury, notorious in soldier recruits, is also called a "march fracture."

No I don't think so. I think that is far fetched my friend.

Alonso suffered a knock whilst playing for Spain and it got worse when we trained at Porto's ground. Same with Agger.

The definition says that it occurs when there is an increase in activities. If anything our training regimes are not as difficult as they once were as Pako is gone.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:11 pm

CORRECTION:

According to Manhattan's sources, Pako will be appointed as the new Chelsea Managing Executive Directing Vice President Of Footballing Sporting Projects.

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:12 pm

Both Agger and midfielder Xabi Alonso returned from international duty in midweek with foot injuries and scans on Wednesday night confirmed they have suffered a stress fracture of their metatarsal.

Club spokesman Ian Cotton said: “Neither player will require surgery but we expect them to be out of action for between four and six weeks.

“Xabi Alonso has suffered a stress fracture to the fourth metatarsal in his left foot and Daniel Agger has suffered a stress fracture to the second metatarsal in his right foot.”

Daily Post

Maybe their training regimes are easier but include more running or something ? It just seems strange 2 players going down with stress fractures shortly after the fitness coach leaves.

by **AB's Red Army** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:07 pm

s@int wrote:Both Agger and midfielder Xabi Alonso returned from international duty in midweek with foot injuries and scans on Wednesday night confirmed they have suffered a stress fracture of their metatarsal.

Club spokesman Ian Cotton said: “Neither player will require surgery but we expect them to be out of action for between four and six weeks.

“Xabi Alonso has suffered a stress fracture to the fourth metatarsal in his left foot and Daniel Agger has suffered a stress fracture to the second metatarsal in his right foot.”

Daily Post

Maybe their training regimes are easier but include more running or something ? It just seems strange 2 players going down with stress fractures shortly after the fitness coach leaves.

Ever heard of coincidences?

''They returned from international duties with injuries''

by **7_Kewell** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:09 pm

The Manhattan Project wrote:CORRECTION:

According to Manhattan's sources, Pako will be appointed as the new Chelsea Managing Executive Directing Vice President Of Footballing Sporting Projects.

making the tea for Roman then

by **The Manhattan Project** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:48 pm

For the right price, Manhattan will make tea for Roman and his mistress.

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:02 pm

AB's Red Army wrote:
s@int wrote:Both Agger and midfielder Xabi Alonso returned from international duty in midweek with foot injuries and scans on Wednesday night confirmed they have suffered a stress fracture of their metatarsal.

Club spokesman Ian Cotton said: “Neither player will require surgery but we expect them to be out of action for between four and six weeks.

“Xabi Alonso has suffered a stress fracture to the fourth metatarsal in his left foot and Daniel Agger has suffered a stress fracture to the second metatarsal in his right foot.”

Daily Post

Maybe their training regimes are easier but include more running or something ? It just seems strange 2 players going down with stress fractures shortly after the fitness coach leaves.

Ever heard of coincidences?

''They returned from international duties with injuries''

But both played against Portsmouth after their return from international duty.

To lose one player may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness......... Oscar Wilde

Iis either Pako's leaving that caused the injuries, or they have been buying cheap boots off the market again.

by **AB's Red Army** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:08 pm

s@int wrote:
AB's Red Army wrote:
s@int wrote:Both Agger and midfielder Xabi Alonso returned from international duty in midweek with foot injuries and scans on Wednesday night confirmed they have suffered a stress fracture of their metatarsal.

Club spokesman Ian Cotton said: “Neither player will require surgery but we expect them to be out of action for between four and six weeks.

“Xabi Alonso has suffered a stress fracture to the fourth metatarsal in his left foot and Daniel Agger has suffered a stress fracture to the second metatarsal in his right foot.”

Daily Post

Maybe their training regimes are easier but include more running or something ? It just seems strange 2 players going down with stress fractures shortly after the fitness coach leaves.

Ever heard of coincidences?

''They returned from international duties with injuries''

But both played against Portsmouth after their return from international duty.

To lose one player may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness......... Oscar Wilde

Iis either Pako's leaving that caused the injuries, or they have been buying cheap boots off the market again.

So every time a player has a metatarsal injury it's because of Pako Ayesteyaran?

Gerrard had one in October of 04. I suppose it was Pako's intense regiment that caused his foot to get caught in the turf at Old Trafford.

It's a reoccurring injury in football in recent years. Perhaps of the amount of games played, number of training sessions, the boots and the turf itself, a mix of all those things that cause these injuries.

I think it's far too simplistic to say that it's either cheap boots [trust me they aren't cheap] or Pako's absence.

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:21 pm

Not every time there is an injury, just when there are 2 or more similar ones. i.e. hamstring injuries seemed to follow Graeme Souness from club to club when he was manager.

Most metatarsal breaks have been like Beckhams and Gerrards a simple break caused by a clumsy challenge or poor choice of stud,these were stress fractures.

As you say the boots they wear arn't cheap, so that just leaves Pako's absence

I rest my case

by **AB's Red Army** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:07 am

B@stard.

by **ConnO'var** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:44 am

Just read this on Soccernet..... more information on why Pako may have left

"Benitez was known to be disappointed when his former assistant Paco Ayestaran was 'too friendly' with Mourinho after the clubs drew 1-1 at Anfield earlier this season.

That incident is believed to have been one of the reasons for the tensions between Benitez and Ayestaran coming to a head, with the latter having now left the club."

If true, then it seems a little petty to me.....
Full Article below....
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From Soccernet - Benitez unmoved by Mourinho exit

Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez kept his feud with Jose Mourinho going to the last today by declining to offer any compliments about the former Chelsea boss' time at Stamford Bridge.

The Liverpool boss and the Portugese coach had made little secret of their animosity over the last few years, heightened by run-ins over Champions League semi-finals and Benitez's frequent comments that it was Roman Abramovich's billions that bought back-to-back Premier League titles for the west Londoners.

Even though Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger of the 'big four' have offered their sympathies for his departure, all Benitez would say was: 'You know my relationship with him, it is better that I do not say anything.

'At the moment I am more worried about Birmingham boss Steve Bruce.'

Liverpool face the midlanders at Anfield tomorrow.

Even in recent weeks the friction between the pair has surfaced. Benitez was known to be disappointed when his former assistant Paco Ayestaran was 'too friendly' with Mourinho after the clubs drew 1-1 at Anfield earlier this season.

That incident is believed to have been one of the reasons for the tensions between Benitez and Ayestaran coming to a head, with the latter having now left the club.

Benitez said: 'It is not a good idea for a manager to talk about other clubs in this situation.

'I would prefer not to say anything. What is clear is that Chelsea still have a good team with a lot of very good players.'

He added: 'The best thing for Liverpool is to continue to focus on what we are doing and to continue to improve ourselves and play well. Not to think about what is happening anywhere else.

'That would be dangerous, I am more interested in Liverpool, not with any problems at other clubs.'
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The boss's comments in the media regarding Sam Allardyce and *edit* don't sit too well with me.... Even though I can't stand both these b@stards, I'm not sure if its such a good idea to sink to Allardyce's level. *edit*

by **LFC2007** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:52 am

ConnO'var wrote:The boss's comments in the media regarding Sam Allardyce and Jose Mourinho don't sit too well with me.... Even though I can't stand both these b@stards, I'm not sure if its such a good idea to sink to Allardyce's level. Neither do I think it's very gracious not to offer the olive branch and continue the fued with Jose...

TBH mate, I don't see how or why Rafa should have to offer the oliver branch to Mourinho. He said he wanted to focus on the Birmingham match and that was that. He was very professional about it. He has no reason to be gracious towards Mourinho.

The Allardyce comments weren't exactly an outburst either, he offered a similarly curt response.

by **ConnO'var** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:00 am

LFC2007 wrote:
ConnO'var wrote:The boss's comments in the media regarding Sam Allardyce and Jose Mourinho don't sit too well with me.... Even though I can't stand both these b@stards, I'm not sure if its such a good idea to sink to Allardyce's level. Neither do I think it's very gracious not to offer the olive branch and continue the fued with Jose...

TBH mate, I don't see how or why Rafa should have to offer the oliver branch to Mourinho. He said he wanted to focus on the Birmingham match and that was that. He was very professional about it. He has no reason to be gracious towards Mourinho.

The Allardyce comments weren't exactly an outburst either, he offered a similarly curt response.

Having read your comments, I've re-read the article again and I agree with you regarding Mourinho.... He WAS very professional in that interview and there is no real reason to follow Wenger's and Ferguson's kind words... So I retract that statement and ammended the original post.... Got a little swayed by the journo's inference... Thanks for pointing it out.

Regarding Sam, I still think theres no reason to dignify the kunt's comments with a reply.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:05 am

That's fair enough, Rafa rarely gets dragged into these types of petty media spats and maybe he shouldn't have replied.

If I was in Rafa's shoes I'd have merely compared my record with Allardyce's, enough said.

by **maguskwt** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:45 am

rafa seems to be getting abit more intense this season... wonder if it's good or bad for the club...

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