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by **Leonmc0708** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:22 pm

In order to place a little more clarity on the subject of results, and possibly help in guageing where we are and how well we are doing I am going to take a look after all our league games of this season in comparrison with last season.

Obviously three of the teams will have changed, so in an attempt to paper over this crack, I will substitute as follows:

Derby, as the apparent whipping boys will be compared with the results of Watford from last season who finished bottom.

Sunderland I will compare with the results of Sheffield United. Sunderland I think might just stay up, however as Sheffield United (rightly or wrongly) where only just relegated I will use them.

Finally I will compare the results of this seasons other new boys, Birmingham with the results of Charlton.

I am going to do both the comparisson for game versus game from last season, as well as the coparrison for this many games in.

I will update the second post in this thread as the league games go on.

Feel free to post any thoughts or comments or suggestions.

by **Leonmc0708** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:23 pm

This Season
11/08/2007 Aston Villa (A)
Result: Won 2-1
3 points

Last Season Team
18/03/2007 Aston Villa (A)
Result: Drawn 0-0
1 point

Last Season Game
19/08/2006 Sheffield United (A)
Result: Drawn 1-1
1 point

Conclusion - 2 points better than last season against the same team and 2 points better off than at this stage of last season.
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This Season
19/08/2007 Chelsea (H)
Result: Drawn 1-1
1 point
Cumulative Total 4 points

Last Season Team
20/01/2007 Chelsea (H)
Result: Won 2-0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 4 points

Last Season Game
26/08/2006 West Ham United (H)
Result: Won 2-1
3 points
Cumulative Total : 4 points

Conclusion - 2 points dropped from last season against the same team, although we all know that Rob Styles was the only reason Chelsea salvaged the draw, and points are the same as after our second game of last season.

Overall at this stage of last season we where on 4 points, and thats the same here, but we have dropped 2 points to Chelsea, we will need to get them back at Stamford Bridge by bettering our 0-1 loss there last term.
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This Season
25/08/2007 Sunderland (A)
Result: Won 2-0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 7 points

Last Season Team
18/03/2007 Sheffield United (A)
Result: Drawn 0-0
1 point
Cumulative Total : 5 points

Last Season Game
09/09/2006 Everton (A)
Result: Lost 0-3
0 points
Cumulative total : 4 points

Conclusion - A good result at the Stadium of light as opposed to the draw (Sheffield United used as comparison) last season, and a horrendous Derby defeat at Goodison.

Overall we are on 7 this season, 3 up on the 4 at this stage last season and 2 points better off against the same opponents.
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This Season
01/09/07 Derby County (H)
Result: Won 6-0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 10 points

Last Season Team
23/12/2006 Watford (A)
Result: Won 2-0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 8 points

Last Season Game
17/09/2006 Chelsea (A)
Result: Lost 0-1
0 points
Cumulative Total : 4 points

Conclusion - A thumping result that has (rightly or wrongly) got some on the title talk already. (Watford used as comparison) Last season we beat Watford at home, so the same result however a crucial defeat at Stamford Bridge was our second defeat of the season, only two games in!!

Overall we are on 10 this season, 6 up on the 4 at this stage last season and 2 points better off against the same opponents.
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This Season
15/09/07 Portsmouth (A)
Result: Drawn 0-0
1 point
Cumulative Total : 11 points

Last Season Team
28/04/2007 Portsmouth (A)
Result: Lost 1 - 2
0 points
Cumulative Total : 8 points

Last Season Game
20/09/2006 Newcastle (H)
Result: Won 2 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 7 points

Conclusion - The first chink in the armour and the knives are out. Rotation is the new zonal marking.

Overall we are on 11 this season, 4 up on the 7 at this stage last season and 3 points better off against the same opponents.
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This Season
22/09/07 Birmingham (H)
Result: Drawn 0-0
1 point
Cumulative Total : 12 points

Last Season Team
13/05/2007 Charlton (H)
Result: Drawn 2 - 2
1 points
Cumulative Total : 9 points

Last Season Game
23/09/2006 Spurs (H)
Result: Won 3 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 10 points

Conclusion - Rotation takes centre stage again, however is the annoyance at rotation in fact dissapointment at Torres' lack of inclusion oer the last two games ?

Overall we are on 12 this season, 3 up on the 9 at this stage last season and 2 points better off against the same opponents.
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This Season
29/09/07 Wigan (A)
Result: Won 1-0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 15 points

Last Season Team
2/12/2006 Wigan (A)
Result: Won 4 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 12 points

Last Season Game
30/09/2006 Bolton (A)
Result: Lost 0 - 2
0 points
Cumulative Total : 10 points

Conclusion - Overall we are on 15 this season, 3 up on the 12 against the same teams last season and a whopping 5 points (50%) better off against this stage of the season last season.
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This Season
07/10/07 Spurs (H)
Result: Drew 2 - 2
1 point
Cumulative Total : 16 points

Last Season Team
22/09/2006 Spurs (H)
Result: Won 3 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 15 points

Last Season Game
14/10/2006 Blackburn (H)
Result: Drew 1 - 1
1 point
Cumulative Total : 11 points

Conclusion - Overall we are on 16 this season, down to 1 up on the 15 against the same teams last season and still a whopping 5 points better off against this stage of the season last season.
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This Season
20/10/07 Everton (A)
Result: Won 2-1
3 points
Cumulative Total : 19 points

Last Season Team
9/9/2006 Everton (A)
Result: Lost 0 - 3
0 points
Cumulative Total : 15 points

Last Season Game
22/10/2006 Man United (A)
Result: Lost 0 - 2
0 points
Cumulative Total : 11 points

Conclusion - Overall we are on 19 this season, 4 up on the 15 against the same teams last season and an ever increasing 8 points (42%) better off against this stage of the season last season.
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This Season
28/10/07 Arsenal (H)
Result: Drew 1-1
1 point
Cumulative Total : 20 points

Last Season Team
31/3/2007 Arsenal (H)
Result: Won 4 - 1
3 points
Cumulative Total : 18 points

Last Season Game
28/10/2006 Aston Villa (H)
Result: Won 3 - 1
3 points
Cumulative Total : 14 points

Conclusion - Overall we are on 20 this season, 2 up on the 18 against the same teams last season and still two wins and 6 points better off against this stage of the season last season.
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This Season
03/11/2007 Blackburn Rovers (A)
Result: Drew 0 - 0
1 point
Cumulative Total : 21 points

Last Season Team
26/12/2006 Blackburn Rovers (A)
Result: Lost 0 - 1
0 points
Cumulative Total : 18 points

Last Season Game
04/11/2006 Reading (H)
Result: Won 2 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 17 points

Conclusion - Overall we are on 21 this season, 3 up on the 18 against the same teams last season and 4 points better off as at the same stage of the 2006-07 season.
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This Season
10/11/2007 Fulham (H)
Result: Won 2 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 24 points

Last Season Team
26/12/2006 Fulham (H)
Result: Won 4 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 21 points

Last Season Game
12/11/2006 Arsenal (A)
Result: Lost 0 - 3
0 points
Cumulative Total : 17 points

Conclusion - Overall we are on 24 this season, 3 up on the 24 against the same teams last season and 7 points better off as at the same stage of the 2006-07 season.
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This Season
24/11/2007 Newcastle (A)
Result: Won 3 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 27 points

Last Season Team
10/02/2007 Newcastle (A)
Result: Lost 1 - 2
0 points
Cumulative Total : 21 points

Last Season Game
18/11/2006 Middlesborough (A)
Result: Drew 0 - 0
1 point
Cumulative Total : 18 points

Conclusion - Overall we are on 27 this season, 6 up on the 21 points against the same teams last season and 9 points (3 wins) better off as at the same stage of the 2006-07 season.
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This Season
02/12/2007 Bolton (H)
Result: Won 4 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 30 points

Last Season Team
01/01/2007 Bolton (H)
Result: Won 3 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 24 points

Last Season Game
25/11/2006 Man City (H)
Result: Won 1 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 21 points

Conclusion - Overall we are on 30 this season, 6 up on the 24 points against the same teams last season and 9 points (3 wins) better off as at the same stage of the 2006-07 season.
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This Season
08/12/2007 Reading (A)
Result: Lost 1 - 3
0 points
Cumulative Total : 30 points

Last Season Team
07/04/2007 Reading (A)
Result: Won 2 - 1
3 points
Cumulative Total : 27 points

Last Season Game
29/11/2006 Portsmouth (H)
Result: Drew 0 - 0
1 point
Cumulative Total : 22 points

Conclusion - Overall we are on 30 this season, down to only 3 up on the 27 points against the same teams last season but we are still 8 points better off as at the same stage of the 2006-07 season.
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This Season
16/12/2007 Man United (H)
Result: Lost 0 - 1
0 points
Cumulative Total : 30 points

Last Season Team
03/03/2007 Man Utd (H)
Result: Lost 0 - 1
0 points
Cumulative Total : 27 points

Last Season Game
02/12/2006 Wigan (A)
Result: Won 4 - 2
3 points
Cumulative Total : 25 points

Conclusion - Overall we are on 30 this season, still only 3 up on the 27 points against the same teams last season but crucially we are now only 5 points better off as at the same stage of the 2006-07 season. This 5 points, if we assume the same 5 point "swing in the second half of the season will only put us to within 11 points of the lead.

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This Season
22/12/2007 Portsmouth (H)
Result: Won 4-1
3 points
Cumulative Total : 33 points

Last Season Team
28/11/2006 Portsmouth (H)
Result: Drew 0 - 0
1 points
Cumulative Total : 28 points

Last Season Game
09/12/2006 Fulham (H)
Result: Won 4 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 28 points

Conclusion - This season = 33 points, 5 more than against the same teams last season and 5 more then at the same stage of last season.

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This Season
26/12/2007 Derby County (A)
Result: Won 2-1
3 points
Cumulative Total : 36 points

Last Season Team
13/01/2007 Watford (A)
Result: Won 3 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 31 points

Last Season Game
16/12/2006 Charlton (A)
Result: Won 3 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 31 points

Conclusion - This season = 36 points, 5 more than against the same teams last season and 5 more then at the same stage of last season (31 points each).

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This Season
30/12/2007 Man City (A)
Result: Drew 0-0
1 point
Cumulative Total : 37 points

Last Season Team
14/04/2007 Man City (A)
Result: Drew 0 - 0
1 point
Cumulative Total : 32 points

Last Season Game
23/12/2006 Watford (H)
Result: Won 2 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 34 points

Conclusion - This season = 37 points, 5 more than against the same teams last season but crucially now only 3 more than at the same stage of last season (32 points and 34 points respectively).

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This Season
02/01/2008 Wigan (H)
Result: Drew 0-0
1 point
Cumulative Total : 38 points

Last Season Team
21/04/2007 Wigan (H)
Result: Won 2 - 0
3 points
Cumulative Total : 35 points

Last Season Game
23/12/2006 Blackburn (A)
Result: Lost 1 - 0
0 points
Cumulative Total : 34 points

Conclusion - This season = 38 points, slipping to just 3 more than against the same teams last season and at the same point last season we where 4 worse off (35 points and 34 points respectively).

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by **Owzat** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:41 am

Bamaga man wrote:
Feel free to post any thoughts or comments or suggestions

No point atall compairing past seasons results, I dont know what clarity it brings TBH.

Its just a pointless stat.

The point is we need to improve on last season and it gauges how we are doing compared to last season. We lost away to Pompey last season and drew at Villa last season, this season we drew and won so we've picked up three points more than we did in those games last season.

Conclusion to be drawn, we're doing better or have improved therefore we're not doing well simply because we have had easy games (otherwise the results would be the same and would just be played in a different order)

We can't pick up more points in games we won last season so we have to look at those we lost or drew such as Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Bolton, PORTSMOUTH, Newcastle, Everton and Blackburn away. Even if we only pick up seven to ten points from those games it will be more than we managed in those games last season therefore ten points better off. As long as we don't then drop points in games we won last season we will finish with more points.

I would have thought the reason for comparing this season's results with last was pretty obvious - or perhaps you just don't like stats

by **Leonmc0708** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:14 am

Owzat wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Feel free to post any thoughts or comments or suggestions

No point atall compairing past seasons results, I dont know what clarity it brings TBH.

Its just a pointless stat.

The point is we need to improve on last season and it gauges how we are doing compared to last season. We lost away to Pompey last season and drew at Villa last season, this season we drew and won so we've picked up three points more than we did in those games last season.

Conclusion to be drawn, we're doing better or have improved therefore we're not doing well simply because we have had easy games (otherwise the results would be the same and would just be played in a different order)

We can't pick up more points in games we won last season so we have to look at those we lost or drew such as Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Bolton, PORTSMOUTH, Newcastle, Everton and Blackburn away. Even if we only pick up seven to ten points from those games it will be more than we managed in those games last season therefore ten points better off. As long as we don't then drop points in games we won last season we will finish with more points.

I would have thought the reason for comparing this season's results with last was pretty obvious - or perhaps you just don't like stats

They just dont like to have to admit that they over reacted to results I reckon. (see the game thread for more info).

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:38 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:
Owzat wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Feel free to post any thoughts or comments or suggestions

No point atall compairing past seasons results, I dont know what clarity it brings TBH.

Its just a pointless stat.

The point is we need to improve on last season and it gauges how we are doing compared to last season. We lost away to Pompey last season and drew at Villa last season, this season we drew and won so we've picked up three points more than we did in those games last season.

Conclusion to be drawn, we're doing better or have improved therefore we're not doing well simply because we have had easy games (otherwise the results would be the same and would just be played in a different order)

We can't pick up more points in games we won last season so we have to look at those we lost or drew such as Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Bolton, PORTSMOUTH, Newcastle, Everton and Blackburn away. Even if we only pick up seven to ten points from those games it will be more than we managed in those games last season therefore ten points better off. As long as we don't then drop points in games we won last season we will finish with more points.

I would have thought the reason for comparing this season's results with last was pretty obvious - or perhaps you just don't like stats

They just dont like to have to admit that they over reacted to results I reckon. (see the game thread for more info).

It's all to do with expectations this season leon. With the new players we have bringing a better quailty depth to the squad . People including myself expect us to put a better performance in against the likes of portsmouth. This has nothing to do with rotation as far as i'm concerned,we should be getting 3 pts from pompey with the quality of squad we have.

The majority of us (including the manager and players) feel that this season represents our best oppotunity for a while at giving it a real crack at the league. The european cup would be nice of course ,but it's the league we all want would you agree. Whilst accepting of course this is not the end of the world , it does feel like an oppotunity lost to make a statement to the others.

I would rather rafa rested players in the cup comps and play our strongest players where possible in the league. That would obviously give us a fare crack at the league imo.

by **112-1077774096** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:52 am

Owzat wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Feel free to post any thoughts or comments or suggestions

No point atall compairing past seasons results, I dont know what clarity it brings TBH.

Its just a pointless stat.

The point is we need to improve on last season and it gauges how we are doing compared to last season. We lost away to Pompey last season and drew at Villa last season, this season we drew and won so we've picked up three points more than we did in those games last season.

Conclusion to be drawn, we're doing better or have improved therefore we're not doing well simply because we have had easy games (otherwise the results would be the same and would just be played in a different order)

We can't pick up more points in games we won last season so we have to look at those we lost or drew such as Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Bolton, PORTSMOUTH, Newcastle, Everton and Blackburn away. Even if we only pick up seven to ten points from those games it will be more than we managed in those games last season therefore ten points better off. As long as we don't then drop points in games we won last season we will finish with more points.

I would have thought the reason for comparing this season's results with last was pretty obvious - or perhaps you just don't like stats

it is a pointless stat mate, our squad has changed as has the team we are playing against, different weather, different circumstances, international games, europe next week, injuries etc etc etc. its like if we draw real madrid in the champions league and someone says 'well we beat them in the final', yeah but that was in 1981, no relevance just like our result at pompey last season has no relevance on the result this season, it is no barometer as to whether we have improved or not

by **LFC #1** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:16 pm

peewee wrote:
Owzat wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Feel free to post any thoughts or comments or suggestions

No point atall compairing past seasons results, I dont know what clarity it brings TBH.

Its just a pointless stat.

The point is we need to improve on last season and it gauges how we are doing compared to last season. We lost away to Pompey last season and drew at Villa last season, this season we drew and won so we've picked up three points more than we did in those games last season.

Conclusion to be drawn, we're doing better or have improved therefore we're not doing well simply because we have had easy games (otherwise the results would be the same and would just be played in a different order)

We can't pick up more points in games we won last season so we have to look at those we lost or drew such as Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Bolton, PORTSMOUTH, Newcastle, Everton and Blackburn away. Even if we only pick up seven to ten points from those games it will be more than we managed in those games last season therefore ten points better off. As long as we don't then drop points in games we won last season we will finish with more points.

I would have thought the reason for comparing this season's results with last was pretty obvious - or perhaps you just don't like stats

it is a pointless stat mate, our squad has changed as has the team we are playing against, different weather, different circumstances, international games, europe next week, injuries etc etc etc. its like if we draw real madrid in the champions league and someone says 'well we beat them in the final', yeah but that was in 1981, no relevance just like our result at pompey last season has no relevance on the result this season, it is no barometer as to whether we have improved or not

Agreed, but IT IS an undeniable fact that we have made a much better start to last season (regardless of the opposition) and hopefully we have set the foundation for a title challenge.

by **Leonmc0708** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:43 pm

peewee wrote:It is a pointless stat mate, our squad has changed as has the team we are playing against, different weather, different circumstances, international games, europe next week, injuries etc etc etc. its like if we draw real madrid in the champions league and someone says 'well we beat them in the final', yeah but that was in 1981, no relevance just like our result at pompey last season has no relevance on the result this season, it is no barometer as to whether we have improved or not

If you dont want to read it then please feel free from refraining from doing so. However please dont spam hte thread with your views on it.

I dont like netball, dont see the point in it, hence I refrain from watching it and never post on netball forums.

by **dawson99** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:46 pm

you can never have too many stats on anything. the more stats you have, the more information, ergo the better understanding you will get

by **Ace Ventura** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:14 am

I dont think its pointless at all, yes we have a better squad..therefore should pick up better results.
But i am always looking at how we did last season to how we have done so far this season. Helps you see how far we have progressed, and its actually quite interesting.

by **Leonmc0708** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:47 am

Ace Ventura wrote:I dont think its pointless at all, yes we have a better squad..therefore should pick up better results.
But i am always looking at how we did last season to how we have done so far this season. Helps you see how far we have progressed, and its actually quite interesting.

Exaclty why I did it.

Was goign to record it in a spreadsheet, but looked shi.te so though I would post it here.

Will do Pompey this savvy.

by **bigmick** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:57 am

I don't necessarily agree that it's "pointless", but I can see where Peewee is coming from on this. If you were to play Reading for instance right now, you'd be playing an outfit who are a different proposition to last season, similarly Man City. As the season progresses, the comparisons will be thrown further out of whack as we largely gave up on the league last season once it became clear that a) we obviously weren't going to win it, b) we were looking good for a Champions League spot for next/this season, and c) we had a realsitic chance of winning the Champions League (last season)).

The main comparison of course is not necessarily game by game but overall, and in a more competitive league this term (in that the top teams with the exception of us probably aren't as good, and the middle teams are a bit stronger) we are probably going to need to find an additional 15-18 points to go extremely close. I think we can and will, as I've long said, if we give ourselves a chance I think we'll win it. We have the team, and the squad if you want to get clever to end the drought.

by **heimdall** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:59 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:I dont think its pointless at all, yes we have a better squad..therefore should pick up better results.
But i am always looking at how we did last season to how we have done so far this season. Helps you see how far we have progressed, and its actually quite interesting.

Exaclty why I did it.

Was goign to record it in a spreadsheet, but looked shi.te so though I would post it here.

Will do Pompey this savvy.

Yepp I like this comparison Leon, IT IS useful.
Not sure what Bamaga's problem is, seems awfully interested in replying to this thread though!!

by **112-1077774096** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:01 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:It is a pointless stat mate, our squad has changed as has the team we are playing against, different weather, different circumstances, international games, europe next week, injuries etc etc etc. its like if we draw real madrid in the champions league and someone says 'well we beat them in the final', yeah but that was in 1981, no relevance just like our result at pompey last season has no relevance on the result this season, it is no barometer as to whether we have improved or not

If you dont want to read it then please feel free from refraining from doing so. However please dont spam hte thread with your views on it.

I dont like netball, dont see the point in it, hence I refrain from watching it and never post on netball forums.

why is it spam leon, you really are starting to annoy mate with your attitude.

what is it now, we have to agree with you unless you say its spamming. its a forum, you post one opinion and i posted another, i could easily turn around and say your post is spam as it bears no relevance on what is happening this season. i gave my reasosn why i think the stats are pointless, thats hardly spamming, its called debate.

so leon please dont spam the forum with pointless stats

(see it can work both ways)

by **Leonmc0708** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:07 pm

peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:It is a pointless stat mate, our squad has changed as has the team we are playing against, different weather, different circumstances, international games, europe next week, injuries etc etc etc. its like if we draw real madrid in the champions league and someone says 'well we beat them in the final', yeah but that was in 1981, no relevance just like our result at pompey last season has no relevance on the result this season, it is no barometer as to whether we have improved or not

If you dont want to read it then please feel free from refraining from doing so. However please dont spam hte thread with your views on it.

I dont like netball, dont see the point in it, hence I refrain from watching it and never post on netball forums.

why is it spam leon, you really are starting to annoy mate with your attitude.

what is it now, we have to agree with you unless you say its spamming. its a forum, you post one opinion and i posted another, i could easily turn around and say your post is spam as it bears no relevance on what is happening this season. i gave my reasosn why i think the stats are pointless, thats hardly spamming, its called debate.

so leon please dont spam the forum with pointless stats

(see it can work both ways)

I will not get into your silly little arguments mate.

Act your age will you.

I explained the reason I think its pointless posting your stuff in here.

I will do it again:

I dont like tennis. I dont like to watch it or play it.

This in mind, I dont post on any tennis forums, and any started on here I dont read or post in.

I dont see the point in telling people who talk about it that it is rubbish.

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