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by **66-1112520797** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:28 pm

Look up the word sarcasm in the dictionary.

First post of the afternoon, and its looking for an argument.

Typical.

by **112-1077774096** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:29 pm

Bamaga man wrote:
Look up the word sarcasm in the dictionary.

First post of the afternoon, and its looking for an argument.

Typical.

yeah totally missing the sarcasm in my post and trying to tell me i don't know what sarcasm is

about time he give it a rest really

by **LFC2007** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:29 pm

Bamaga man wrote:
Look up the word sarcasm in the dictionary.

First post of the afternoon, and its looking for an argument.

Typical.

Typical of you to respond.

If someone is happy to give me sh!t, they can expect it back.

I know you will have the last word.

by **66-1112520797** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:36 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Look up the word sarcasm in the dictionary.

First post of the afternoon, and its looking for an argument.

Typical.

Typical of you to respond.

If someone is happy to give me sh!t, they can expect it back.

Have the last word boy, go on.

by **Owzat** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:42 pm

jonnymac1979 wrote:The hype was unbelievable when we signed him and Pongolle. We were told we'd just signed the best two kids in world football.

B*ll*c*ks being told stuff like that really isn't it? Just makes it all the more disappointing when the inevitable happens and they don't turn into Zidane's, Figo's and Rivaldo's.

Well Houllier continued talking B*ll*c*ks after he left, did he not claim some credit for Rafa's CL triumph? His 'legacy' he left behind has been shown the door, all those next Zidanes, Henrys etc have all failed to live up to their supposed promise. In fact if they were anywhere near as good as Houllier reckoned they would be then I'm sure they'd have done more and maybe even still be here.

My only worry is Rafa is buying in and bringing in foreign youngsters and we may end up with a reserve team full of players who never make it either. Paletta cost us £2m and he's gone already, I don't mind too much if they cost nothing but surely it would be better to pick local kids if the ones we're spending so much time finding and bringing in ain't successful? Time will tell, but I'm not convinced Hungarians are going to cut the mustard. Who is a (recent) great for Hungary? Puskas? ? ?

Q. Name TWO world class Hungarian footballers - past and present...................

by **Paul C** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:42 pm

I think Shanks signed ALT, he's been at the club that long

by **LFC2007** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:49 pm

Owzat wrote:Time will tell, but I'm not convinced Hungarians are going to cut the mustard. Who is a (recent) great for Hungary? Puskas? ? ?

Q. Name TWO world class Hungarian footballers - past and present...................

I don't agree with what you imply here.

Irrespective of nationality, these players are scouted on ability. They may just be the next Puskas, or the next Nyers.

There are many random, seemingly talentless footballing countries who produce a few top quality players.

by **Owzat** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:55 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
Owzat wrote:Time will tell, but I'm not convinced Hungarians are going to cut the mustard. Who is a (recent) great for Hungary? Puskas? ? ?

Q. Name TWO world class Hungarian footballers - past and present...................

I don't agree with what you imply here.

Irrespective of nationality, these players are scouted on ability. They may just be the next Puskas, or the next Nyers.

There are many random, seemingly talentless footballing countries who produce a few top quality players.

I don't 'imply' anything, I said it. Why go all round the world scouting for young talent when the likes of Le Tallec, Pongolle and Paletta could be sold off before they become a 1st team regular

Who's to say some foreigner could be the next Puskas but some local kid can't be the next Fowler or Gerrard? Ability at a young age does not guarantee a great player, Houllier thought like that and look where his players are now................

Much better to develop local talent and pick out the odd foreign youngster who is of top top quality. We're shipping in young foreigners like there's no tomorrow. Give me a local lad any day of the week.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:05 pm

Owzat wrote:I don't 'imply' anything, I said it. Why go all round the world scouting for young talent when the likes of Le Tallec, Pongolle and Paletta could be sold off before they become a 1st team regular

Who's to say some foreigner could be the next Puskas but some local kid can't be the next Fowler or Gerrard? Ability at a young age does not guarantee a great player, Houllier thought like that and look where his players are now................

Much better to develop local talent and pick out the odd foreign youngster who is of top top quality. We're shipping in young foreigners like there's no tomorrow. Give me a local lad any day of the week.

These players are judged on ability, not nationality.

Ability at a young age gives a telling indication as to whether they have what it takes to be a great player.

As it happens, the academy system has not been working. If it was, you may have a point.

It will take years to remedy this problem. In the meantime, Rafa has been scouting Europe for the best talent whilst at the same time scouting homegrown players.

We have a mix.

by **alxy** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:30 pm

What are the odds of unearthing another Gerrard or Zidane or Henry? It'll take a lot of effort and luck. So even if you spend $10M buying up 10 teenagers and only one of them turns out to be a gem, I would say that's worth it. All Rafa is doing is increasing the odds by having so many youngsters. And I'm glad he's not averse to admitting his mistakes and letting them go when he thinks they won't develop into stars.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:22 pm

The problem is even if we do unearth the next Gerrard/Zidane/Fowler would they get enough chances to develop, when even established internationals arn't getting a game? Its one thing giving them a run out in the League cup and another thing playing them for a run of games in the League, especially if we are challenging for the title.

Maybe loaning them out will go some way to solving the problem, but its very easy for young players to become both disheartened and disillusioned.

by **ConnO'var** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:40 pm

s@int wrote:The problem is even if we do unearth the next Gerrard/Zidane/Fowler would they get enough chances to develop, when even established internationals arn't getting a game? Its one thing giving them a run out in the League cup and another thing playing them for a run of games in the League, especially if we are challenging for the title.

Maybe loaning them out will go some way to solving the problem, but its very easy for young players to become both disheartened and disillusioned.

Therein lies the dilemma, mate...

Being LFC, the expectations these days are really high... Can we afford to take the time to blood in the youngsters when most fans expect instant success? The pressure on the manager is enormous. Does he take the risk and put in the untried kids based only on what he's seen in the training ground and youth and reserve matches?

Remember that it takes much more than just raw ability to make the grade..... the mental aspects are equally important... things like level of footballing maturity, mental toughness, handling of pressure and expectations are all vital to ensure that a player of promise can deliver in competition. And frankly, you'll never know how a yougster's gonna cope. For many, the pressure will be just too much at a club like ours and they'll just fade away...

The solution? Out on loan to the league's lesser lights or the League cup. If they prove themselves there, then take em back and give them a go.

With most all of us fans expecting so much from LFC season in and season out, will they ever get the chance when there is so much at stake for the manager and the club? It's a problem that manifests itself in a vicious circle.

Can you imagine being a young, up and coming central midfielder when you look up at the 1st team and see FOUR maybe FIVE huge names, all internationals in their own right, ahead of you in the pecking order? It's enough to make you cringe I think!

Tough choices...

I know that the Gunners have had no choice but to go down this path, what with the cost associated with building the Emirates stadium and not having the luxury of foreign investment. But I must say, Wenger has done a sterling job walking this path. Of course he's had his failures but with the squad they have now, comprising such a young group of lads, they'll be a major threat for years to come.

As much as I hate to admit it, the whinging frenchman is probably unmatched in world football in this area.

The real question for us really is..... Can we afford to walk a similar path? With the money coming in from the Yanks, the expectations and consequences may be too high for the manager to do so. The downside to this is that it maybe yonks before we unearth another Gerrard, Carra, Owen or Fowler..... and that'll be a sad, sad day for Liverpool Football club. "No sentiments!" I've heard some say but I shudder to think that there won't be a single Local lad in the 1st team in the future.

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:19 pm

peewee wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Look up the word sarcasm in the dictionary.

First post of the afternoon, and its looking for an argument.

Typical.

yeah totally missing the sarcasm in my post and trying to tell me i don't know what sarcasm is

about time he give it a rest really

Relax, fellas. Sarcasm is one of those things that is hard to detect via text. No need to get your panties in a twist. Tis all fun and games till someone losses a bollock!

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:10 pm

The Manhattan Project wrote:Was he ever really given a fair chance?

Manhattan is not so sure.

Still, if we can get some money for him, it will be worth it. Hopefully his career will do well elsewhere.

Good luck to him.

IMO, he's done very little at any of the clubs he's been on loan to (and they are legion...), which suggests, to me, that he's not good enough for us. Perhaps, when he first signed, he could have been a useful squad player but there's no way he's been worthy of the shirt in the last couple of years, as Rafa's significantly raised the bar.

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