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by **LFC2007** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:52 pm

woof woof ! wrote:You will read his column , whether you actually "spend money" to do so is a side issue BUT you know and I know that YOU will read his column .

I know that I will categorically 100% NOT be reading his column. I know that much, but you obviously have some special powers that will force me to read it without my own knowledge, so on that one I will trust you. :Oo:

by **woof woof !** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:52 pm

woof woof ! wrote:I fully understand our antipathy towards the Sun but before I comment on Bascombes "defection" would/could somebody please tell me how many of the Suns current personnel were employed by the Sun at the time that they made their disgraceful accusations about LFC fans .

I'm not looking to excuse them (far from it) , but not being a Sun reader I don't know who writes or edits the paper and now find myself wondering are the people we vent our spleen on actually the one's who deserve it ? .

Born just after WW2 I grew up hating all Germans , it wasn't until 20 years after WW2 that I realised all Germans weren't in fact Nazis.

Like I said , I'm not looking to defend them ,it's just that before I comment on Bascombes decision I'd like to know how many of the journalists who wrote such sh'ite about us and the editors who allowed it to be published are still actually working for the Sun .

Anybody got any feedback for me ?

by **woof woof !** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:03 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:You will read his column , whether you actually "spend money" to do so is a side issue BUT you know and I know that YOU will read his column .

I know that I will categorically 100% NOT be reading his column. I know that much, but you obviously have some special powers that will force me to read it without my own knowledge, so on that one I will trust you.

Hey lie to yourself all you like but please don't think that for one minute I believe you.

Pure curiosity will force you (no doubt against your will :laugh:

) to actively seek out the contents of Bascombes first column for the NOTW , maybe it's a discarded copy you found on public transport or maybe you "inadvertently googled it but YOU know and I know you will read it . :nod

by **kunilson** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:04 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:I fully understand our antipathy towards the Sun but before I comment on Bascombes "defection" would/could somebody please tell me how many of the Suns current personnel were employed by the Sun at the time that they made their disgraceful accusations about LFC fans .

I'm not looking to excuse them (far from it) , but not being a Sun reader I don't know who writes or edits the paper and now find myself wondering are the people we vent our spleen on actually the one's who deserve it ? .

Born just after WW2 I grew up hating all Germans , it wasn't until 20 years after WW2 that I realised all Germans weren't in fact Nazis.

Like I said , I'm not looking to defend them ,it's just that before I comment on Bascombes decision I'd like to know how many of the journalists who wrote such sh'ite about us and the editors who allowed it to be published are still actually working for the Sun .

Anybody got any feedback for me ?

i dont think any of them work for them anymore. but i could be wrong

by **LFC2007** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:08 pm

I'm not lying to myself. I'm not a regular reader of Bascombe anyway. I have seen a few of his articles, but I have never been a great follower of what he writes.

I'm not curious about what he will write in the NOTW. Like I said, I don't read or buy sh!t tabloids.

By all means play mystic meg. It suits you.

I know YOU know that mystic meg suits you.

Whether you say she does or not, YOU know and I know that you are like mystic meg.

:nod

by **jonnymac1979** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:12 pm

LFC2007 wrote:I'm not lying to myself. I'm not a regular reader of Bascombe anyway. I have seen a few of his articles, but I have never been a great follower of what he writes.

I'm not curious about what he will write in the NOTW. Like I said, I don't read or buy sh!t tabloids.

By all means play mystic meg. It suits you.

I know YOU know that mystic meg suits you.

Whether you say she does or not, YOU know and I know that you are like mystic meg.

Fuckinhell, can't you see he's winding you up? You're biting every time... How many posts is it going to take before you realise?

You want the last word don't you?

by **LFC2007** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:13 pm

jonnymac1979 wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:I'm not lying to myself. I'm not a regular reader of Bascombe anyway. I have seen a few of his articles, but I have never been a great follower of what he writes.

I'm not curious about what he will write in the NOTW. Like I said, I don't read or buy sh!t tabloids.

By all means play mystic meg. It suits you.

I know YOU know that mystic meg suits you.

Whether you say she does or not, YOU know and I know that you are like mystic meg.

Fuckinhell, can't you see he's winding you up? You're biting every time... How many posts is it going to take before you realise?

You want the last word don't you?

WTF!

I can see that, hence why I made the joke at the end.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:22 pm

Some of you know this, many of you don't, but I work for a national newspaper in London. Not a red top, and my job isn't as a writer, although I do keep my hand in.

Basically, I know the industry very well, have friends and former colleagues that've worked for pretty much every paper down here, so I feel qualified to put my twopenneth in here.

First thing I'll say is read the advert for Bascombe's job - starting salary £17555-£20148. He's been around for a bit, so with rises I reckon he's left the job on a salary of around £25-28k, tops. He's not exactly been earning megabucks, and I'm sure some of you here are on salaries that make that look very average.

There is a myth surrounding journalism that it's a very well paid industry, when in reality it's really not. I know several people that started in the industry on £9k a year, working 70 hour weeks. My first full-time job in the industry was for a national news agency, starting salary £13k, and the hours were so bad there that there were nervous breakdowns all over the place. And this is the national press. Chris Bascombe works for a regional newspaper, where the pay tends to be even worse.

You get your star columnists in the rags with their Hollywood six figure salaries, but beyond that there's a sh*tload of drones and spods, many of whom struggle to make ends meet. Every year new journalism courses start, and every year dozens of lively, energetic kids graduate these courses wanting a job in an industry that's laying people off by the skipload.

Often, jobs go not to those with the best CV or the references to die for, but to someone that simply lucks out by being the right face in the right place at the right time. I have friends that are absolutely top drawer journalists that can't get work for love nor money, because many papers and magazines are cutting back, and those that do have jobs to fill get so inundated with applications that they simply haven't got the time or the resources to scrutinise every single application. Jobs end up going to friends of friends, or the lad that happened to be doing work experience when the job became available. Every year there are less jobs and more journalists, and so the same faces fill these positions.

Every year it gets harder to get a job in journalism in London. This is the reality of the industry I and Chris Bascome work in.

I don't know Chris, but those that think his job is all roses are just plain wrong. Trinity Mirror are widely known to be a nightmare to work for, and in the last 12 months their workforce have been collectively sh*tting bricks fearing for their jobs. This time last year the staff of one of the Echo's sister papers in Wales went on strike due to fears over job cuts, and the fear and the threat still hasn't gone away.

Making the leap from regional press to national is something most writers dream of, and few accomplish, and I think Chris needs to be cut a lot of slack here. It's incredibly difficult to get opportunities writing for a national, and it really is a case of going from being a big fish in a little pond to being a minnow in the choppiest seas you can ever imagine. Up north, Bascombe's one of a few go-to lads for a bit of insight into Liverpool Football Club. Down south, there are literally hundreds of people that someone could go to before Chris Bascombe for a talking head piece or a quick quote about LFC.

I don't think that it's Chris's ambition to work for the NOTW, but at the same time I think people need to screw their heads on a bit when they're thinking about it. Moneywise alone a guy with responsibilities would struggle to turn it down, but it's also a huge opportunity for him to make a name for himself. There's no boycott of the NOTW, and I've frequently seen people quoting stories from the paper here without too much in the way of complaint.

Don't get me wrong, I personally think it's a terrible newspaper, and I wouldn't wipe my ar*se with it, but people referring to it as The Sunday Sun always baffles me. They've got different editors and completely different staffs. As they're in the same publishing house, they'll cross-promote one another (much as The Sun and the NOTW are frequently advertised on Sky), but to be honest with you I've worked where I work for five years, the Sunday equivalent of the paper I work for is based in building that backs on to ours, and we have absolutely nothing to do with them at all. Completely separate entities. The Sun and the NOTW are as separate from one another as The Times is from Sky TV elsewhere in the same parent company. Because they're both red tops, I really think a lot of people assume that they're edited and written by the same office of people, and that simply isn't true.

Speaking of which incidentally, the NOTW is currently edited by a guy that used to edit the Sunday Mirror, a paper I've read many of you quoting, and I bet my b*llocks a load of you lot read on a weekly basis. Did that appointment make anyone here feel betrayed?

Anyway, all I'm saying is just drop talk of "sell out", and leave the guy be. "There's gonna be murders", someone said earlier in this thread. It's a job, that's all it is, and bringing Hillsborough and the 96 into it is cruel and inappropriate I reckon. I can understand that many people are disappointed in him, but leave it at disappointment and don't get aggressive about it. The guy's just trying to make a living. Personally, I'll never read him once he moves on because I think the NOTW is a terrible newspaper, but for me it's a quality rather than an ethical thing, and I certainly don't bear the guy any ill will.

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:29 pm

personally i couldnt of done it myself, there might not be a ban of that rag paper as it didnt print the lies but there is no doubt that its the suns sunday paper, i guess some people put money above all else.

by **destro** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:30 pm

woof woof ! wrote:I fully understand our antipathy towards the Sun but before I comment on Bascombes "defection" would/could somebody please tell me how many of the Suns current personnel were employed by the Sun at the time that they made their disgraceful accusations about LFC fans .

This is all I could find, he doesn't mention names apart from the obvious tw@t, so its hard to tell if any more of them still write for IT !

On January 2005 The Sun's managing editor Graham Dudman claimed their coverage of the Hillsborough disaster was "the worst mistake in their history", he further added, "What we did was a terrible mistake. It was a terrible, insensitive, horrible article, with a dreadful headline; but what we'd also say is: we have apologised for it, and the entire senior team here now is completely different from the team that put the paper out in 1989." Although Dudman made this claim/apology in January 2005 he rehired Kelvin MacKenzie (the editor responsible for their biggest mistake in history) as a columnist in May 2006

Does anyone know if any Liverpool Supporters work at the place that makes the paper on Knowsely Ind Estate ?

by **woof woof !** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:39 pm

LFC2007 wrote:I'm not lying to myself. I'm not a regular reader of Bascombe anyway. I have seen a few of his articles, but I have never been a great follower of what he writes.

I'm not curious about what he will write in the NOTW. Like I said, I don't read or buy sh!t tabloids.

By all means play mystic meg. It suits you.

I know YOU know that mystic meg suits you.

Whether you say she does or not, YOU know and I know that you are like mystic meg.

Mystic Meg ?

Sorry don't understand the reference , can you explain ?

by **NiftyNeil** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:46 pm

ivor_the_injun wrote:First thing I'll say is read the advert for Bascombe's job - starting salary £17555-£20148. He's been around for a bit, so with rises I reckon he's left the job on a salary of around £25-28k, tops. He's not exactly been earning megabucks, and I'm sure some of you here are on salaries that make that look very average.

That would be basic salary. On top of that would be tickets, travel and accommodation to all Liverpool matches home and away - worth a salary on its own that. If that's not enough, then I don't know what is.

I certainly won't be reading any of Bascombe's future articles. The reason why he is so readable at the moment is because he has close links with the club. He spends time at Mellwood each week and therefore gives us unique insight that we don't get from other journo's. We believe what he writes. When there's transfer speculation in one of the nationals, we treat it with a pinch of salt, but if Bascombe writes it in the Echo we believe it to be true (because it always is). I doubt he will get the same exclusivity for the NOTW. Whoever replaces him at the Echo will.

Like I've said previously, it's like a friend stabbing us in the back. The McManaman/Owen of the press, a fucking sellout. Enjoy your money Chris.

by **redhayesy** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:49 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:The Sun and NOTW run offers where you have to buy the papers for tokens, as well as bingo and the like.

Anyone who disassociates one from the other is either stupid or lying.

As for people saying fair enough, the principle of doubling your wage is all well and good, but when you have been as close to both the people and club as Bascombe has, you must understand people will be pis.sed.

For those that have fogotten what happened, they printed stories depicting Liverpool fans stealing from dying members of their families and friends, urinating on dead bodies of loved ones as well as pointing the finger of blame at "drunken yob fans without tickets".

Court cases proved the blame was not the fans but the police.

Imagine losing someone at a football match. Imagine now reading stories about how you stole from them as they lay dying.. Imagine people printing stories about how you where responsible for their death.

Now tell me the boycott should not extend to the Sunday version of a paper that printed that bullsh.it.

totally agree Leon mate, if people on here want to talk
about principles etc -here"s my own principle in the real
world to the max- i WAS a Manager with Tesco for a few
years untill the chief excec sir terry fecking Leahy annouced
to us mere employees his Love for the bitter :censored:

etc
from that day i vowed i would leave the company A.S.A.P
& I FECKING DID! because i refused to work my b0ll0cks
off for that :censored:

& everything he stood for!!
i have bills to pay, wife & kids to support but i was
determinded to seek employment elsewhere-because
of my principles! & i found another job in he same
industry, but failing that i would of found somthing else
where-ever just so i had peace of mind.
i"m sure bascombe could of done the same thing
i find it very hard to come to terms ith the fact
he chose that sh1t :censored:

rag for career progression!
it fecking stinks as far as i"m concerned.
anything connected with the s*n is a fecking no no
always has been since hillsborough & always will be end of.
& for the record i have & never will subcribe to sky sports
or anything that will line the pocket of that kunt murdoch.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:55 pm

Hayesy's attitude is fair enough - it's the halfway people that say Sky good, NOTW bad that just don't get it.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:57 pm

ivor_the_injun wrote:The Sun and the NOTW are as separate from one another as The Times is from Sky TV elsewhere in the same parent company.

I know you work in the industry, but there is a far stronger link between the s*n and the notw and sky and the times as you put it.

It is the sunday s*n. They are managed by the same people. They are marketed in a similarly downmarket way. There are links on their websites to each other etc...

The NOTW is the sister paper for the s*n.

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