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by **Anfield rapper** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:23 pm

I'm willing to accept that we get our fair share of luck over a season, but any ref who gives a penalty for that when he was 5 metres away should not be refereeing at this level. It wasn't as if that was the only bad mistake he made yesterday. He will be back after next week giving stupid decisions and nobody will have any confidence in him. I really hope we don't get refed by him again for a very long time. I suppose we should be thankful he didn't find some problem with Torres's goal.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:24 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Look folks, I wasn't happy at the dicision Styles made yesterday, but were we complaining about the free-kick Gerrard was given on the opening day which we scored from? NO. That wasn't a free-kick and that cost Villa any points, at least we got a point. Styles gave Gerrard the pen on the opening game against Sheff Utd last year but again we didn't complain then, football is all about luck. If refs make errors then so be it, obvious ones like Styles' against us, shouldn't go unpunished, but we can't have it both ways. If we're moaning over losing 2 points, then we should also be moaning we took a point off Villa, due to another reffereeing co.ck up. Lets put it behind us and just concentrate on Sunderland, I'm sure they'll be wrong dicisions given in our favour in the duration of this season and I'm sure we'll be on the wrong side of certain dicisions this season, that's football.

hey why dont u just blame the pitch at villa park then for allowing the ball to bounce off carra's hand?

:Oo:

by **Anon_Villan** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:27 pm

Definitely valid to say televised games breed these 'look at me, I'm a showy :censored:

' refereeing decisions.

And Peewee, firstly thanks for a reasonable response, but I think he lost control when he booked Pennant for having the cheek to challenge for a header. That was the first decision which made no sense at all, and lost him all respect of the players. Also it encouraged Chelsea to put more pressure on him and set a dangerously low threshold for what qualified for a booking - ie any foul he didn't like the look of.

by **The_Rock** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:48 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:He certainly shouldn't officiate any more of our games, that is a fact.

Thick c*nt.

indeed.....

And add mike reily to that list. He specializes in giving penalities against us....

by **redmikey** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:40 pm

you know it is an awful call when andy gray is on our wave length

the cu^t will usually do everything but say anything in our favor but he was as disgusted as i was at the decision

jose has come out and shown his usual class (none) and said we don't have divers and it was a pen we are pure football,

what a complete fooking tool to show so little class, but as an earlier post said you come to expect thing like that from chelsea

style was out of his depth from the first whistle and put pressure on him self by give terrible booking early on by using his cards to stamp his power on the game instead of using his balls and talking to the players

it was a great midfield battle for a while with chavski having to play 3 against 2 in the middle cause our front 2 were working so hard, but the ref took the ability to tackle out of the game for most of our team early on

he should be fined and dropped and he defo should have to come out after the game to face the cameras to admit is got bullied by the chavski players

by **The Ace1983** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:58 pm

Good. What a Kock. Demotion is the least that should happen to him. I think of myself as liberal but i'd happily watch him being publicly flogged. I've had so much stick from Chelski fans today who actually have the nerve to tell me that they deserved it! I hope someone bu99ers him with a chainsaw, i really do.

by **Dundalk** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:59 pm

What about the poor team that gets him next week, its not really fair on them is it?

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:01 pm

Anfield rapper wrote:I'm willing to accept that we get our fair share of luck over a season, but any ref who gives a penalty for that when he was 5 metres away should not be refereeing at this level. It wasn't as if that was the only bad mistake he made yesterday. He will be back after next week giving stupid decisions and nobody will have any confidence in him. I really hope we don't get refed by him again for a very long time. I suppose we should be thankful he didn't find some problem with Torres's goal.

I agree with this. As a big club we undoubtedly benefit from some dubious reffing decisions over the course of a season so I'm not going to sit here and pretend that we always get the short end of the officiating stick. That said, it was a shockingly poor decision made by a ref who was practically right on top of the play. These are the kinds of decisions that refs simply MUST get right. If he was unsighted or half the pitch away I might have more sympathy but, since he wasn't, there's no excuse for blowing that call. I'm heartened that Hackett has issued a public reprimand and apology and I'm hopeful that Styles will not be involved in any high profile matches--or indeed any of our matches--for a long, long time.

Ultimately, we'll bounce back. We still managed a point and have clearly won the moral victory against an increasingly cynical Chelsea team (the cheek of Mourinho to say what he said about his players and Styles! :no

). More importantly, it's early days, with plenty of time to avenge the injustice and catch Chelsea up. As with the Bolton incident last year and the Riley incident a couple of years back, we just need to get on with it and play the kind of football that ensures that the 2 points dropped becomes irrelevant.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:40 pm

I put Sunday's game in the same bracket as against Man U at home last season. We absolutely bossed them, and showed we can more than live with them. We just didn't come away with the result our dominance deserved, and maybe part of that is our lack of killer instinct in and around the opposing penalty area. As others have said, LFC vs Chelsea is always going to be tight, and if you get two clear-cut chances, you really need to put them both away. At the top of the table, one goal is rarely enough. Man U and Chelsea have been absolutely deadly in recent seasons clawing unlikely wins and equalisers against the run of play. We were cruelly done by yesterday, but when all's said and done, there was half an hour after Lampard's penalty to get a winner, and it didn't ever really look like happening.

How we react now is absolutely crucial, and as fans we have a big part to play in this. We could very easily just go on and on about the shocker Styles had, and let it into every single conversation we have about the team. Or, we can just shrug, rise above it, look at how good the team is at the moment, point to how well the signings have slotted in, and make sure we bring the players up again after what must have been a galling night to be wearing the shirt.

It was a sickener, but now we have to show how good we are against the other sides in the Prem. Two games in, and I'm a lot more confident about the season than I was a fortnight ago.

We look as good as anybody right now, and I think there's plenty more to come. :buttrock

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:47 pm

ivor_the_injun wrote:I put Sunday's game in the same bracket as against Man U at home last season. We absolutely bossed them, and showed we can more than live with them. We just didn't come away with the result our dominance deserved, and maybe part of that is our lack of killer instinct in and around the opposing penalty area. As others have said, LFC vs Chelsea is always going to be tight, and if you get two clear-cut chances, you really need to put them both away. At the top of the table, one goal is rarely enough. Man U and Chelsea have been absolutely deadly in recent seasons clawing unlikely wins and equalisers against the run of play. We were cruelly done by yesterday, but when all's said and done, there was half an hour after Lampard's penalty to get a winner, and it didn't ever really look like happening.

How we react now is absolutely crucial, and as fans we have a big part to play in this. We could very easily just go on and on about the shocker Styles had, and let it into every single conversation we have about the team. Or, we can just shrug, rise above it, look at how good the team is at the moment, point to how well the signings have slotted in, and make sure we bring the players up again after what must have been a galling night to be wearing the shirt.

It was a sickener, but now we have to show how good we are against the other sides in the Prem. Two games in, and I'm a lot more confident about the season than I was a fortnight ago.

We look as good as anybody right now, and I think there's plenty more to come.

Well said, mate. Let's not use the incident as an excuse for our situation months down the road. It's disappointing but it won't be the reason if we somehow aren't challenging for the title come May. There's nowt wrong with a well-justified moan at a terrible officiating decision but the lads will need to put it out of their minds and get on with the job of spoiling Keane's day next Saturday. After all, we know we can rise to the occasion and give Chelsea a game but we need to show that same quality on the road to the likes of Sunderland.

by **metalhead** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:05 pm

I think if we can keep the same level of preformance that we showed against Chelsea consistantly we would definitly win the league!

We have to forget the chelsea game now, its done and dusted, and unfairly and undeservedly got 1 point. Its time for our team to think about sunderland.

by **Wilhelmsson** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:53 pm

Bamaga man wrote:In general I agree that our lack of ruthlessness infront of goal could be improved.

The thing is though we werent holding on for 1-0 far from it, Rob styles threw them a life line and thats it really. The way the game was going I couldnt honestly see them scoring but we'll never know. If anything Ithought we were more likely to get a second. Up until that point we were in control and that all changed by a stupid error from 'Showpiece Rob'. You cannot blame the players for not being out of sight up until that point, usually you can if say Chelsea scored a goal in the 90th minute or so but this was a diiferent case yesterday.

And pointing the finger at the players for not being out of sight is unnessacery critisim in my book.

I dare say the words “holding for a 1-0” win was the incorrect phrase with regards to the match in question. I certainly felt that Liverpool were chasing for the three points and trying to extent the lead, so I apologise, I was talking out of my behind on that point.

You’re of course correct, Styles threw them a lifeline, they took it, and then our dominance subsided somewhat for the last half an hour. I wouldn’t say I am criticising the players for not being out of sight, I feel you have taken my point out of context (if I may say so).

I was and am content with a point against Chelsea. The team hasn’t gained many points from this particular fixtures in recent seasons and to get four points in two difficult fixtures where the team could have been held to two draws or at worst lost two matches, has left me feeling content (despite Styles’ mistakes).

The point I was trying to make is about ‘what if’s’ at the end of the day, what if Babel had scored the shot that hit the side netting, what if Kuyt scored the header, what if Alonso scored in the corner of the goal, instead of hitting the ball wide of goal.

If these chances had been taken or even one of those chances (with hindsight) maximum points would have been gained on the afternoon. As you say, Chelsea looked flat in attack for much of the game despite two or three very good chances.

I’m simply stating some of my concerns; I did not intend to pass my opinions off as unnecessary criticism. If the players aren’t converting chances which are presented to them, then incidents similar to yesterday’s will comeback and haunt us. Other than this, I am very happy, very content and pleased with the way the season has gone so far.

I am looking forward to each of our games with renewed optimism that Liverpool is on the up and is reaching or has reached a new level.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:59 am

An apology is meaningless now.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:03 am

Let's concentrate on Sunderland. Styles made a mistake like all humans do. His should never of happened but thats beside the point, the point is, we have to forget it and ensure that in future we have a 2 goal cushion so if stupid dicisions like that are made, they will only half the deifcit of the match, and we will still have our 3 points in the bag.

by **joko** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:08 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:An apology is meaningless now.

joko so much agrees with manhattan

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