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by **FRfanatic** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:02 am

I see it like this; Drenthe was lively and when Feyenord wasn't going to win he needed to be talked about in another way. How to get more in the news than to show no respect to the best players in the world who are watched all over the world. This guy desperately want to make a move to a bigger club and therefor needs the attention in either way.
Regarding the game IMO LFC has nothing to worry about for coming season. Bit more luck and more attention from the officials it should have been 0-3 in the first half. Fantastic team. Good luck :buttrock

by **LegBarnes** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:32 am

Guys ok if you play a attacking 4-3-3 you need all your forwards to learn to play a winger role .

Ok so we know (DIRK) can play right win (BABEL) can play Both wings .

Now no matter what you do with crouch he never going to be a winger.

Now he played torres on the wing so he can get match EXP in that postion.

I think he has done this because he wants to start to play an attacking 4-3-3 VS lessing teams in prem.

Some thing like this.

finnan . carry . agger . riise

gerrard . alonso . mascarano

kuyt . torres . babel

But he will train all 3 forwards to play wide left and right so they can all switch in game to confuse the other team.

Also that makes me beleave this is he now has 2 dutch forwards and we all know that all dutch forwards can play as a winger it is the way they train them as kids because of there trusted 4-3-3 system.

And now raffa has 2 players who can fit into that plan very easy.

just an idea you never know but i think that is why he is doing what he is doing.

by **maguskwt** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:53 am

good explanation mate... personally I like this formation... but kuyt and babel needs to be more flexible and be able to drop into a 4-5-1 or advance into 4-3-3 as needed... also i would prefer mascherano as a deeper midfielder between gerrard/alonso and the backline... or maybe mashcerano/alonso as defensive midfielders and gerrard as AM.

I remember rafa playing something like this formation in his second season (maybe first i can't remember) when the team was getting a bit stale and we won some league games easily...i think it was with kewell and garcia playing as winger/forwards with crouch as the centre forward and gerrard as an attacking midfielder... gerrard had alot of freedom and dictated the play very well...

by **puroresu** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:16 am

I dont think Kuyt can really play the role on the right. Whenever I have seen him play for Holland in that role he has struggled.

by **heimdall** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:39 am

puroresu wrote:I dont think Kuyt can really play the role on the right. Whenever I have seen him play for Holland in that role he has struggled.

Yeah I agree, but if we are going to 4-3-3 why do I have this sinking feeling of massive rotation at the start of the season before Rafa settles on his preferred team for this system :sniffle

In any case Torres MUST play in the centre along with Gerrard, no more experimenting Rafa!! :angry:

by **LegBarnes** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:00 pm

puroresu wrote:I dont think Kuyt can really play the role on the right. Whenever I have seen him play for Holland in that role he has struggled.

yes but it all depends how you set up the 4-3-3 and i think to play the right and left forwards in 4-3-3 its more about work rate then crossing arsenal prove it they play to a 4-4-2/4-3-3 and they hardly never score from crosses they pass the ball into the net.

by **puroresu** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:24 pm

LegBarnes wrote:
puroresu wrote:I dont think Kuyt can really play the role on the right. Whenever I have seen him play for Holland in that role he has struggled.

yes but it all depends how you set up the 4-3-3 and i think to play the right and left forwards in 4-3-3 its more about work rate then crossing arsenal prove it they play to a 4-4-2/4-3-3 and they hardly never score from crosses they pass the ball into the net.

slightly different though. Arsenal have very good technical players where formations do not restrict players. There players interchange, they have extreme pace in the side and the width they do get comes from the full backs not to mention they numerous players who can dribble with the ball.

My worry with a 4-3-3 is it really becoming a 4-5-1. The Barcelona 4-3-3 is the ideal model but that is a very open system and u need the right players to play that way. I think Babel and Torres would be ok but on the right I wouldnt be so confident with Kuyt.

by **LegBarnes** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:06 pm

puroresu wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
puroresu wrote:I dont think Kuyt can really play the role on the right. Whenever I have seen him play for Holland in that role he has struggled.

yes but it all depends how you set up the 4-3-3 and i think to play the right and left forwards in 4-3-3 its more about work rate then crossing arsenal prove it they play to a 4-4-2/4-3-3 and they hardly never score from crosses they pass the ball into the net.

slightly different though. Arsenal have very good technical players where formations do not restrict players. There players interchange, they have extreme pace in the side and the width they do get comes from the full backs not to mention they numerous players who can dribble with the ball.

My worry with a 4-3-3 is it really becoming a 4-5-1. The Barcelona 4-3-3 is the ideal model but that is a very open system and u need the right players to play that way. I think Babel and Torres would be ok but on the right I wouldnt be so confident with Kuyt.

well there is always option then to put harry on left and babel on right either works for me since most of time the wide forwards play as a main striker any ways.

by **stmichael** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:43 pm

All Liverpool pre-season goals here:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=48e346cKIO0

by **Wilhelmsson** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:15 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:like i said, gerrard was defending agger. lucius was shoving agger, stevie didnt like it. drenthe was moaning alot, agger didnt like it. so if ur team-mate is being bullied by someone else you expect stevie to stand there and watch? stevie was also p!ssed that he didnt get a free kick. if u comment about stevie being unprofessional then why not blame the dutch players who started it?

The Feyenoord players were responsible for the Mel'ee which occurred, however such matters will be resolved by the match officials, vigilantes are not needed and only add more petrol to the flames.

Gerrard as a captain and as a role model to young children ought to control himself in such situations. Defending team mates is something I advocate; it’s pleasant to see such support within the team. However there is other ways to defending team mates, rather than punching someone in the side of the face.

It was unacceptable behaviour, if you condone such actions then if I was you, I’d question my morals and ethics.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:56 pm

Wilhelmsson wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:like i said, gerrard was defending agger. lucius was shoving agger, stevie didnt like it. drenthe was moaning alot, agger didnt like it. so if ur team-mate is being bullied by someone else you expect stevie to stand there and watch? stevie was also p!ssed that he didnt get a free kick. if u comment about stevie being unprofessional then why not blame the dutch players who started it?

The Feyenoord players were responsible for the Mel'ee which occurred, however such matters will be resolved by the match officials, vigilantes are not needed and only add more petrol to the flames.

Gerrard as a captain and as a role model to young children ought to control himself in such situations. Defending team mates is something I advocate; it’s pleasant to see such support within the team. However there is other ways to defending team mates, rather than punching someone in the side of the face.

It was unacceptable behaviour, if you condone such actions then if I was you, I’d question my morals and ethics.

what was stevie and agger to do? smile at them? the officials couldnt even stop the feyenoord manager from running onto the pitch. no i dont condone such actions but if its done by Liverpool then the bias beast inside me says ''its the right thing to do''.

i prefer aggresive negotiations to diplomatic relations.

by **maguskwt** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:00 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Wilhelmsson wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:like i said, gerrard was defending agger. lucius was shoving agger, stevie didnt like it. drenthe was moaning alot, agger didnt like it. so if ur team-mate is being bullied by someone else you expect stevie to stand there and watch? stevie was also p!ssed that he didnt get a free kick. if u comment about stevie being unprofessional then why not blame the dutch players who started it?

The Feyenoord players were responsible for the Mel'ee which occurred, however such matters will be resolved by the match officials, vigilantes are not needed and only add more petrol to the flames.

Gerrard as a captain and as a role model to young children ought to control himself in such situations. Defending team mates is something I advocate; it’s pleasant to see such support within the team. However there is other ways to defending team mates, rather than punching someone in the side of the face.

It was unacceptable behaviour, if you condone such actions then if I was you, I’d question my morals and ethics.

what was stevie and agger to do? smile at them? the officials couldnt even stop the feyenoord manager from running onto the pitch. no i dont condone such actions but if its done by Liverpool then the bias beast inside me says ''its the right thing to do''.

i prefer aggresive negotiations to diplomatic relations.

the referee didn't even dare to go near the crowd... he was standing a few feet away watching... lol...

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:17 pm

maguskwt wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Wilhelmsson wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:like i said, gerrard was defending agger. lucius was shoving agger, stevie didnt like it. drenthe was moaning alot, agger didnt like it. so if ur team-mate is being bullied by someone else you expect stevie to stand there and watch? stevie was also p!ssed that he didnt get a free kick. if u comment about stevie being unprofessional then why not blame the dutch players who started it?

The Feyenoord players were responsible for the Mel'ee which occurred, however such matters will be resolved by the match officials, vigilantes are not needed and only add more petrol to the flames.

Gerrard as a captain and as a role model to young children ought to control himself in such situations. Defending team mates is something I advocate; it’s pleasant to see such support within the team. However there is other ways to defending team mates, rather than punching someone in the side of the face.

It was unacceptable behaviour, if you condone such actions then if I was you, I’d question my morals and ethics.

what was stevie and agger to do? smile at them? the officials couldnt even stop the feyenoord manager from running onto the pitch. no i dont condone such actions but if its done by Liverpool then the bias beast inside me says ''its the right thing to do''.

i prefer aggresive negotiations to diplomatic relations.

the referee didn't even dare to go near the crowd... he was standing a few feet away watching... lol...

lol exactly! haha he thought it was a wrestling match.

by **LegBarnes** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:44 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Wilhelmsson wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:like i said, gerrard was defending agger. lucius was shoving agger, stevie didnt like it. drenthe was moaning alot, agger didnt like it. so if ur team-mate is being bullied by someone else you expect stevie to stand there and watch? stevie was also p!ssed that he didnt get a free kick. if u comment about stevie being unprofessional then why not blame the dutch players who started it?

The Feyenoord players were responsible for the Mel'ee which occurred, however such matters will be resolved by the match officials, vigilantes are not needed and only add more petrol to the flames.

Gerrard as a captain and as a role model to young children ought to control himself in such situations. Defending team mates is something I advocate; it’s pleasant to see such support within the team. However there is other ways to defending team mates, rather than punching someone in the side of the face.

It was unacceptable behaviour, if you condone such actions then if I was you, I’d question my morals and ethics.

what was stevie and agger to do? smile at them? the officials couldnt even stop the feyenoord manager from running onto the pitch. no i dont condone such actions but if its done by Liverpool then the bias beast inside me says ''its the right thing to do''.

i prefer aggresive negotiations to diplomatic relations.

the referee didn't even dare to go near the crowd... he was standing a few feet away watching... lol...

lol exactly! haha he thought it was a wrestling match.

It was very clear that they couldn't beat us in football terms so they tried to beat us in a fight and failed they should give up because they cant beat us at any thing . :rasp

by **Jason Bourne** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:03 pm

What did you guys think of the midfielder of Feyenoord Jonathan deGuzmen...Delivered a stunning pass to their winger. Didn't see much of him during the game though, but after looking on the internet I found this guy is very talented.

1,5 years ago he was voted as one of the 10 biggest talents in the world according to the Times, and he is just 19 years old.

I think Liverpool should give a shot to this lad, think it will be worth a try.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2093-2114323.html

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