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by **kunilson** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:14 am

redtrader74 wrote:My point on conservative was compared to Arsenal or even Manu for that matter, they seem to want to out score the opposition, and we want to make sure the opposition don't score, not a bad method either, as it has worked for other sides.

i see...
we don't show the urgency of man u, or the amount of intricate play of arsenal, i think rafa wants us somewhere in the middle.

its all control with Rafa. he wants to completely dictate the whole game, and we usually do even against bigger teams we have more of the ball and with more composure and intent around the opposition box....he's very close to his vision of what we should be like.

by **puroresu** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:16 am

kunilson wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:My point on conservative was compared to Arsenal or even Manu for that matter, they seem to want to out score the opposition, and we want to make sure the opposition don't score, not a bad method either, as it has worked for other sides.

i see...
we don't show the urgency of man u, or the amount of intricate play of arsenal, i think rafa wants us somewhere in the middle.

its all control with Rafa. he wants to completely dictate the whole game, and we usually do even against bigger teams we have more of the ball and with more composure and intent around the opposition box....he's very close to his vision of what we should be like.

A lot of sides seems to not mind us having plenty posession and allowing us to play in front of them as its then up to us to break them down and that seems to be a struggle. With posession the ball needs to move a lot quicker.

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:23 am

I think BOTH Puroresu and Redtrader although conflicting have valid points.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:23 am

i wonder what bellamy would have done if he was playing when the scuffle broke out =)

maybe Liverpool needs to adopt a bad :censored:

attitude when they play. inflict more damage on the opponent w/out showing any fear. show them whose the boss.

like manure, they have such an arrogant mentality that they are borned to win those 3 points in each game. we need a more ruthless style of play.

by **stmichael** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:26 am

My view on the game.

Poor game. Feyenoord are sh#te and refused to come any further then 30 yards away from their goal. This should have been a test on how to break down a team like that but until the introduction of Babel we were too pedastrian.

Gerrard took his goal well and im sure we are going to see a great season from him this year. He was central to most things we did and the handbags at the end shows he isnt willing to let the team get bullied even in friendlies.

Babel showed signs of his pace and im certain we will know he is going to be a great signing for the club. He had a good shot which was well saved and looked lively.

F#ck knows why Rafa put Torres on the right of midfield. I know its only preseason but Torres is a striker not a winger but its only preseason so it matters not one bit.

Bring on Aston Villa where i hope we show a willingness to get all 3 points and not go there happy with a point.

by **bigmick** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:35 am

This whole notion that you have to go completely gung-ho to win the title is a complete nonsense and some of the people who are advocating it should know better. I know Man U play that way (although they do also have good defenders) but in fairness much as I dislike Ferguson as a person, his teams have pretty much always played that style and they did go three years without winning the thing recently.

Football is all about playing to your strengths, and there's no shame in playing a slightly more conservative style if you've got a rock-solid defence as we do. Perhaps if we had Ronaldo, Rooney (plus Tevez) and Scholes we would get involved in more "bet we can score more than you" games, but given our personel conservative is just fine by me.

The key to it all for me is balance and it always has been. Make yourself dfficult to play against and you'll not go far wrong. It's great for instance that Kuyt chases anything that moves and shows great commitment, as long as he remembers what is the principal reason he is on the pitch and doesn't neglect that part of his game. Similarly, having a defensive central midfielder is just fine within reason. As long as he's not playing the role of frustrated centre-half it's just fine by me.

Those bemoaning the lack of fluency need to relax a little. Fluency will come, as will incisive attacking play. The important thing in our first league game is that firstly we at the very least try and win the game. In the set-up it's about balance, in the mentality it's about desire and crucially being prepared to lose the game in order to win it. Having said that, it'll be much easier to achieve our goals if we keep a clean sheet and we shouldn't be in the least bit ashamed of the fact. If we do, the chances are that Gerrard will score a goal and we'll win 1-0. I'm not suggesting that we can expect our captain to do that in every game and therefore to win us the title, but I'll definately take a scruffy win and the opportunity to field an unchanged team against Chelsea no bother.

by **redtrader74** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:42 am

chelsea still scored more goals than us in the 3 years Morinho has been here. The 1st two seasons wasnt 1 up front. Robben & Duff were pushed up as front men.

Yes they have outscored us, over the three years they have gone out and bought the better players, but this proves that their method, defence first, works, and without lots of injuries all at once, they would have won in 2006-7 aswell. They have nearly always played one up front, Robben and Duff, when played together were part of 4-5-1, they may have pushed up, but were part of the 5 man midfield, intent on defence first. Chelseas' overwhelmingly superior statistic has been the lack of goals conceded, not scored.

Its quite simple to me, maintain our home record, playing the same way we have for the last 2 years, and take the chances we do create, even playing the same, away, and we will be Champions. The acquistion of Torres, Voronin and Babel should ensure that up front we have a superior cutting edge than the last season. Therefore playing the same way has to reap more rewards.

by **bigmick** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:51 am

Totally agree Red. Nothing wrong with our style, just our mentality. Cut down on the rotation, don't settle for a point when it's level with twenty minutes to go, and be more ruthless in front of goal. Those three things, with obviously the most important one by miles being the team selection thing should enable us to go extremely close.

by **ICE-MAN** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:20 pm

Okay, this might be a bit off the point but I have thought this for a while now.... we should not have signed babel we should have went after drenthe!!!

Yes he was an annoying sh*t aganst us yday but hes a quality player and we strugged to handle him yday hes passinate skillful fast and has a killer cross on him which i dont think we get with babel!

babel cost us 11m and drenthe wud probably have cost us 7m, i even think drenthe is better than malouda and was hoping we wud go after drenthe instead of malouda at the time! Babel has not done anything to impress me this pre-season, even in the u21 championships he never set the world alight! All he reminds me of is another heskey, a big physical lad who has no skill and all his shots are just blasted at the goal no precision like torres or any good player! lets face it we went after a winger and bought babel, who isnt a winger he is constantly tryin to play up front and doesnt look comfortable on the wing!!

slate me if ye want but we should have signed drenthe, i hope im proved wrong!!!!

by **Dundalk** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:40 pm

Highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0kjI_tXy2M

by **The_Rock** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:54 pm

Sabre wrote:By the way, I doubt very much Drenthe was a cheaper target than Babel, as he's been targeted and discarded by Real Madrid, so that means the price had to be ridiculous.

Whoa.....whoa....whoa..... 1st of all we don't know if in fact real madrid really discarded him ......I mean, all the while i thought chelsea was interested in him.

But if real madrid really discarded him .....it doesn't have to mean it was because of a ridiculous fee now does it ........ :lookaround

....

From what i read Drenthe was going for 5 to 7 million pounds....

by **heimdall** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:54 pm

Sorry to be negative, and I know that means I'm not a PROPER fan, but I think its going to be another frustrating season for us all. I think we will be better and closer to the top 2 but we'll still struggle away from home. The problem is Rafa in my opinion and I can see him walking at the end of the season.

Please someone explain to me why the hell you would put Torres on the right wing, has he ever played there in his life, I mean why spend £20 million on a striker and then stick him on the wing???

Also where the hell are the wingers we were supposed to be getting, and don't tell me that babel is one of them, why didn't we buy Quaresmo or Mancini, I would rather have had both of them than Torres and Babel!!

I really hope I get proven wrong and fully expect to be told to f.uck off by all you PROPER fans!!
:rasp

by **burjennio** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:54 pm

Drenthe is a dirty little :censored:

, kicking people and whinging doesn't make you a footballer, it makes you Vinnie Jones, so Roysten Drenthe, :censored:

off to Hollywood, a career pretending to be a tough guy cockney awaits you

by **The_Rock** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:07 pm

heimdall wrote:Please someone explain to me why the hell you would put Torres on the right wing, has he ever played there in his life, I mean why spend £20 million on a striker and then stick him on the wing???

We only had one game before our 1st league match, and rafa still wants to experiment.....

I thought the 1st priority of the pre-season games is to "gel" torres with the rest of the squad...... So what does he get by playing torres as a RW ?

Torres should be playing centre forward. He cost 20 million. He shouldn't be playing on the flanks. The last thing we wanna do is to create another cisse......

by **puroresu** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:22 pm

Babel was over priced. at £6 mil I would of been more than happy but at what we paid I am expecting some great things. Not sure about him playing wide left though and is he actually right footed?

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