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by **LFC2007** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:11 am

Again you miss the point, as individual players they are sh!t. Rafa did nothing to improve their natural ability, they remain sh!t. His management ability enabled us to play as a coherent unit, the players you cite are of mediocre ability but Rafa was able to get the most out of them using a bit of tactical and managerial nouse. But again, you like to miss the point and twist things to suit yourself - that being your forte.

by **redtrader74** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:12 am

Scraping the barrel by calling Josemi and Nunez European Cup winners, they didn't even play that night.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:18 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:well apparantly you can, didn't Benitez turn Traore into a european cup winner? didn't Benitez turn Cisse into a european cup winner? didn't Benitez turn Josemi and Nunez and Baros into european cup winners or was i dreaming on the 25th of may 2005. Or doesn't winning the european cup mean anything these days. must be that.

But hang on a minute...

Not too long ago you were saying Rafa wasn't good enough, yet you now admit he's good enough to make W*nk players European Champions?

Interesting...

by **Owzat** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:00 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:Since when was Giggs from Manchester?

And while we're at it, let's take a closer look at the scum's "Golden generation":

Peter Schmeichel: Goalkeeper was the best of his generation, from that hamlet just outside Manchester known as "Denmark".

Jaap Stam: Signed for a then World-record fee (for a defender) from PSV Eindhoven. Born in that noted Industrial town of Kampen, Netherlands, Manchester.

Gary "B*stard" Neville: Born in a Manc slum to sibling parents, he and his brother Phil whiled away the hours by sucking one another's c*cks until ALex Ferguson offered them the chance to suck his, instead.

Ronny Johnsen: Member of Utd's Youth Cup-Winning side, but only in his mind. Actually a 2nd-rate Centreback from Norway, which I am sure the Mancs will tell you, is just next to Salford.

Dennis Irwin: Has the distiction of being the only member of the treble-winning squad NOT born in or around Manchester. Was actually born in an Irish sett to Badger parents, Clyde and Martha.

Ryan Giggs: Exceptional winger who was born in the inner-most sanctum of Manchester, known as "Cardiff". Spotted by Manchester City, but poached by that red-nosed whiskey addicted b*stard when he offered homo-erotic videos and a lifetime's supply of Gillette razors.

Beckham was born in Manchester's feeder-town, "London" and poached from Tottenham Hotspurs' School of Excellence by the thieving Manc tw*ts. While still in London, he was tipped as the "Next Big Thing" in Menza circles, but on his arrival in Manchester his IQ dropped at a terrific rate until it finally stabilised at 14, slightly above the city's average of 2.

Keane: Self-proclaimed "Son of God" was bought from Notts Forest, Man Yoo's noted Youth Academy. He states that he was born in Ireland, but it has since been proven he is actually a Manc sewer rat, the spawn of rodent parents "Nancy and Geoff". His attempts at rubbishing this find were quashed by the High Court when he ran from the witness stand and robbed an innocent child onlooker of his Dairylea triangle.

Scholes: Has long been regarded as a shy thinker due to his lack of public appearances and interviews. It is actually due to the fact that he was born in Salford to a retarded gutter snipe and a geriatric kipper, and is thus unable to speak. (Although he CAN breathe under water, which is a very popular ability in the Scum's after-match bathtub.)

Cole: Bought for a then hefty £7m (£1m of which was made-up by Gillespie). Born in Nottingham, and already with his 4th club by the age of 24. (He actually started at Arsenal.) Was born the result of a botched scientific experiment to find a viable alternative to existing fertilizers, explaining the label "Andy Cole is horse sh*t."

Yorke: Born the b*stard son of a Pigmi and a Mango fruit (obviously in the suburbs of Manchester...), he is more famous for being an ugly c*nt than a footballer.
Fathered a child with a World-renowned prostitute, and has not been seen since.

Thank f*ck.

"you win nothing with kids" - and Hansen was right. However he has paid heavily for a deliberate and over-literal interpretation. He meant you won't win championships with 11 kids, every twerp on the planet reckons he's wrong because the scum had three in their team. As you say the BACKBONE of the side was made up of quality players BOUGHT by old rednose and there were spatterings of young kids in the side.

And despite the sleight on Blackburn having somehow 'bought' the Premiership, their team was only the THIRD most expensive behind the scum and our's. So apparently their team was somehow homegrown and yet the most expensive to boot! In the seasons I checked Liverpool had never been the most expensive - scum, Chelsea, Newcastle and Leeds
had all been in various seasons.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:06 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:well apparantly you can, didn't Benitez turn Traore into a european cup winner? didn't Benitez turn Cisse into a european cup winner? didn't Benitez turn Josemi and Nunez and Baros into european cup winners or was i dreaming on the 25th of may 2005. Or doesn't winning the european cup mean anything these days. must be that.

so you can turn sh!t into european cup winners? if im not wrong you once posted on another thread proclaiming baros ''euro golden boot winner'' (2004) and cisse top scorer in france and now you are saying they are sh!t that turned into gold in 2005?

i dont think nunez and josemi played in the ecl and IMO, we won bcuz it was a good team effort.

ie: if i threw a piece of sh!t at you, you wont be too dirty yeah? if i poured a barrel of it onto you, wouldnt you be dirtier?

by **destro** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:11 pm

To try and get this topic back on track and because i couldn't be bothered to start a new one...

I have been listening to Talksport most of the day and night (I lose most radio stations when driving all over ) yes i know its not the best station in the world but for most of the night they have been asking the question are Liverpool and more so Rafa under more pressure to win the League this year, do we as fans expect us to make that final push after the money that has been spent ? Or would the majority of us be happy to finish closer this time than last year to the top two ?

A lot of this has come from Maureen shouting his mouth off in the papers, many who rang in said we had the Deffence and Midfield to win it and now we have the players to provide the cutting edge and score the goals, is it as straight forward as that or is it a case of allowing the new players time to settle and to not expect to much from them this season ?

Just for the record, i don't think nor am i suggesting that Rafa HAS to win it this time or he will be sacked, i just wondered what your views are on what you would describe as acceptable given the ammount of money he has spent ( Their words)

For what it is worth i would settle for us still to be in with a chance going into the last month and of course number 6 would be nice along the way , obviously i would love it if we win the League. I don't want to sound negative but i just think it will take a little longer than some people seem to think.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:21 am

destro wrote:To try and get this topic back on track and because i couldn't be bothered to start a new one...

I have been listening to Talksport most of the day and night (I lose most radio stations when driving all over ) yes i know its not the best station in the world but for most of the night they have been asking the question are Liverpool and more so Rafa under more pressure to win the League this year, do we as fans expect us to make that final push after the money that has been spent ? Or would the majority of us be happy to finish closer this time than last year to the top two ?

A lot of this has come from Maureen shouting his mouth off in the papers, many who rang in said we had the Deffence and Midfield to win it and now we have the players to provide the cutting edge and score the goals, is it as straight forward as that or is it a case of allowing the new players time to settle and to not expect to much from them this season ?

Just for the record, i don't think nor am i suggesting that Rafa HAS to win it this time or he will be sacked, i just wondered what your views are on what you would describe as acceptable given the ammount of money he has spent ( Their words)

For what it is worth i would settle for us still to be in with a chance going into the last month and of course number 6 would be nice along the way , obviously i would love it if we win the League. I don't want to sound negative but i just think it will take a little longer than some people seem to think.

I think anyone who expects us to win the title this coming season is being silly. "Liverpool have spent X amount of money..." - what the pr*cks in the press seemingly fail to realise is that the scum have spent more than us this season (and much more over the years preceding this one), and may yet more than double our outlay, despite being reigning champions.

Sh*tski have spent a shocking amount of money in recent years, so I truly believe anyone who shoots their mouth off in or to the press about Rafa being "under pressure", and that we "must win league this season", blah, blah, blah (A gobby Portugese dog turd springs to mind), is thick beyond comprehension.

(On a side note, you can always tell when we've done something good when said gobby Portugese puppy sh*t pipes up totally out of the blue. The sad little fame-addicted tit.)

by **66-1112520797** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:12 am

I think anyone who expects us to win the title this coming season is being silly.

I know what your saying Lando in a round about way.

But when can we realisticly expect to win the title ? There are far too many excuses these years for Liverpool

by **redtrader74** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:03 am

I believe that we can win the title this year. We have the manager, the stability, the players. Its not a money issue, because our net spend this year is around £23m so far, thats not even one Shrek, or Essien, it looks as though we have the right players with the right mentality. There aren't any 'big time Charlies', Pennants under control, Bellamys gone. Voronin, Torres, Benayoun could have gone elsewhere/ stayed, and for more money, but didn't.
Most importantly Rafa has to have realised that the dynamics of the league have changed since his arrival, that you can't afford 6 losses anymore and win it, that we need to start the season running and by his acquisition of forwards, that we must destroy the mid table/bottom half teams.
Maybe more in hope, but i cannot see Manu playing aswell as they did, they had the perfect games to start the campaign last year, and yes it makes a difference, when you play poor teams and win you build momentum and confidence, which in turn helps you to win against the better sides. We'll also see what Tevez is made of now he is not in a relegation team, but in one where the opposition defend deep, and trying to fit him in won't be easy either. Chelsea will have to contend without Essien (pushing Gerrard hard for best midfielder IMO) and Drogba for around 6 weeks, that is a massive hole, they are essentially the power of the team.
All in all i will believe we can win this year, but we must take on board the lessons of the last 3 years, rotate players when we are winning 2-0, 3-0. Rotate them once we have enough points in the CL goup stages. Rotate totally if you want in the Carling Cup, or early stages of the FA cup, But don't take a chance in the league 4+ losses and too many draws and you're out of it.

by **66-1112520797** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:16 am

redtrader74 wrote:I believe that we can win the title this year. We have the manager, the stability, the players. Its not a money issue, because our net spend this year is around £23m so far, thats not even one Shrek, or Essien, it looks as though we have the right players with the right mentality. There aren't any 'big time Charlies', Pennants under control, Bellamys gone. Voronin, Torres, Benayoun could have gone elsewhere/ stayed, and for more money, but didn't.
Most importantly Rafa has to have realised that the dynamics of the league have changed since his arrival, that you can't afford 6 losses anymore and win it, that we need to start the season running and by his acquisition of forwards, that we must destroy the mid table/bottom half teams.
Maybe more in hope, but i cannot see Manu playing aswell as they did, they had the perfect games to start the campaign last year, and yes it makes a difference, when you play poor teams and win you build momentum and confidence, which in turn helps you to win against the better sides. We'll also see what Tevez is made of now he is not in a relegation team, but in one where the opposition defend deep, and trying to fit him in won't be easy either. Chelsea will have to contend without Essien (pushing Gerrard hard for best midfielder IMO) and Drogba for around 6 weeks, that is a massive hole, they are essentially the power of the team.
All in all i will believe we can win this year, but we must take on board the lessons of the last 3 years, rotate players when we are winning 2-0, 3-0. Rotate them once we have enough points in the CL goup stages. Rotate totally if you want in the Carling Cup, or early stages of the FA cup, But don't take a chance in the league 4+ losses and too many draws and you're out of it.

Good post Redtrader74.

I think its high time we took ourselve as genuine title contenders.

by **bigmick** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:33 am

redtrader74 wrote:All in all i will believe we can win this year, but we must take on board the lessons of the last 3 years, rotate players when we are winning 2-0, 3-0. Rotate them once we have enough points in the CL goup stages. Rotate totally if you want in the Carling Cup, or early stages of the FA cup, But don't take a chance in the league 4+ losses and too many draws and you're out of it.

I agree with Bamaga, this was an excellent post. I agree with the overall sentiment, if we're not title challengers then we certainly should be. We've shown continually over the last couple of seasons that we can compete with the best when we put our best team out, so logic should follow that if we put somewhere near our best team out against the average then we should prevail on a fairly regular basis. We would have gone very close indeed this season in my view had we not messed around, and of course I agree with the last paragraph of Redtrader's post pretty much word for word.

by **el_stinger** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:41 am

Best thing since sliced bread

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:38 pm

Bamaga man wrote:
I think anyone who expects us to win the title this coming season is being silly.

I know what your saying Lando in a round about way.

But when can we realisticly expect to win the title ? There are far too many excuses these years for Liverpool

I don't think you really CAN "expect" to win the title with the scum spending like it's going out of fashion and moneybags Mourinho knocking about.

The only time I would expect us to win it is if we were reigning champions. I hope we'll win it, of course, but I just don't expect it.

I think it's this distinction that needs to be made in the minds of some others. Expectations do nothing for the players, other than add pressure.

My t'uppance, anyroad.

by **66-1112520797** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:53 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
I think anyone who expects us to win the title this coming season is being silly.

I know what your saying Lando in a round about way.

But when can we realisticly expect to win the title ? There are far too many excuses these years for Liverpool

I don't think you really CAN "expect" to win the title with the scum spending like it's going out of fashion and moneybags Mourinho knocking about.

The only time I would expect us to win it is if we were reigning champions. I hope we'll win it, of course, but I just don't expect it.

I think it's this distinction that needs to be made in the minds of some others. Expectations do nothing for the players, other than add pressure.

My t'uppance, anyroad.

True, lets change the word to 'hope', and expect us to challenge for the title.

by **Owzat** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:11 pm

Bamaga man wrote:
I think anyone who expects us to win the title this coming season is being silly.

I know what your saying Lando in a round about way.

But when can we realisticly expect to win the title ? There are far too many excuses these years for Liverpool

Exactly. Arsenal have shown one off successes can be done, how many times do we have to change the players before we get there? Are we constantly going to change things and say the side needs time to settle or go out and buy players good enough not to need that excuse to fall back on.

If we're waiting for the standard to drop it's too late, Houllier should have taken advantage back when 90+ points to win the title were rare. The mancs may find it harder going this season, they had it way too easy last time around and I believe lost only FIVE games with the goners and cheating hammers doing the double over them. I think Pompey were the only other side to get a deserved win over them.

What do we need to do?

1) maintain our home record of the last two seasons
2) score more goals
3) maintain our defensive record
4) win away from home which will come as a result of 2) and 3) above

If we do all of the above then we should be in the picture, thereafter it will come down to smaller things deciding the title. Hopefully the mancs will get their fair share of injuries and get mucked about by the courts over Tevez. They'll perhaps follow Chelsea's lead from last season by selling off crucial squad players and trying to fit the formation to the players - always possible with Hargreaves and Carrick in their squad. And if those teams who talk up their chances of UEFA spots actually take points off them then it could be more open.

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