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by **LFC2007** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:12 pm

peewee wrote:to be honest i am quite split on this, what happened to bulger was horrific, my cousin was one of the police who went to the railway to deal with his body.

and then i look at thompson and venables, we are talking about 2 10 year old kids and i have to ask did they really know what they were doing.

yes i am sure they knew it was wrong but did they know the full scale of what they were doing? i just dont know.

there was a rumour amongst police at the time (i was in the police then but was in florida on holiday and his disappearance made the news there) that there was an adult involved, he got the kids to get bulger.

I suppose they are now 'cured' as such and people thinking they would kill again may be far off the mark (or maybe they are not), the sad thing is that we dont know.

now about his fiance, well thats a difficult one, she has fallen in love with someone and sees him for what he is now, probably if she knew the truth at the start she would have stayed away from him.

normally i am always in favour of the victim, always, I am also for the victim in this case, but i can also see a couple of 10 year old boys (who i also saw in their detention period in newton le willows) who f8cked up big style

i am surprised they are still in the UK to be honest

So what is your opinion, do you think they are inherently evil or do you afford them mitigation?

by **112-1077774096** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:40 pm

i thought i made that clear.

i don't know them now so i cant say if they are or are not evil, however the fact they have been released shows me that they are believed to be no threat to society, they will also be getting watched and having to report regularly.

what they did was evil beyond words, if it was committed by an adult then i would say they are evil, however the act was committed when they were ten year old children and i believe they didn't fully realize what they were doing or the consequences of their actions.

should they have been released? well thats not my decision, and again if they were adults they should have been strung up, but they were not adults so it comes back to did they really understand what they were doing, if they understood what they were doing then they were evil at that point (this doesn't mean they are still evil), if they didn't understand then they were uneducated

i am not defending them, please don't think that, I am just trying to understand them and its hard to do that, there is a big difference between any 10 year old and the same person when they have grown up

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:49 pm

Well, do you believe they could have done what they did without knowing the full extent of what they were doing?

Is a 10 year old not capable of distinguishing between evil and good?

I personally think that to perpetrate such a crime shows that they are inherently evil, there was sufficient intent within the crime to justify this.

The fact they have been released demonstrates that the authorities believe they have been rehabilitated, however, there have been plenty of occasions whereby they have been proven to be wrong and as such it is very hard to trust them on this one.

by **112-1077774096** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:53 pm

i do believe they could have done what they did without fully realizing the extent of what they were doing, its easy for us to see it differently but think back to when you were ten, you didn't know what you know now, they were basically given a free reign by their parents and took their delinquency way too far

just my opinion, but we don't know for definite, only they know

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:55 pm

At 10 years old you know that taking a toddler and beating him to death is evil.

by **112-1077774096** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:59 pm

i knew that at 10 years old, and you knew that at 10 years old, but not all 10 year olds have the same upbringing as us or the same levels of intelligence as us at that age

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:03 pm

I don't think it requires a great deal of intelligence to understand that, the systematic nature of the crime further proves that the intent was there.

by **burjennio** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:04 pm

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to be honest i am quite split on this, what happened to bulger was horrific, my cousin was one of the police who went to the railway to deal with his body.

and then i look at thompson and venables, we are talking about 2 10 year old kids and i have to ask did they really know what they were doing.

yes i am sure they knew it was wrong but did they know the full scale of what they were doing? i just dont know.

Are you tryin to say that a 10 yr old can't understand murdering a f**king baby is wrong?

Children know the difference between right and wrong and what they did to that kid is not wrong, its evil And :censored:

the system that thinks that whoever committed this crime should have ever been given a second chance. Read the link, what they did, the barbarity of it and try to convince anyone with a shred of humanity in them that these :censored:

have served there time, if there is a hell i hope they :censored:

burn

by **Rafa D** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:31 pm

I've never took a deep interest in the James Bulger case. I knew about it of course, I grew up in Birkenhead and I vividly remember the story developing in the news but I was nothing but a wee boy. I didn't read the facts etc, I just knew two boys had killed a 2 year old and people blamed it on chucky films.

However I have just read this:Bulger story

And it was horrific. I couldn't, and wouldn't ever forgive them for what they done.

by **kunilson** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:57 pm

that story was fu.cking disturbing to say the least....all i knew about it before reading that story was two older kids killed james by putting him on the train track.

reading how they had many opportunities to stop it and turn back, or let james go....the continuous lies not to mention the beating makes me angry.
They shouldn't have been released, they only did because of a loop-hole in the system because of their young age.
Hope they get what's coming to them the :censored:

by **112-1077774096** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:24 am

burjennio wrote:
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to be honest i am quite split on this, what happened to bulger was horrific, my cousin was one of the police who went to the railway to deal with his body.

and then i look at thompson and venables, we are talking about 2 10 year old kids and i have to ask did they really know what they were doing.

yes i am sure they knew it was wrong but did they know the full scale of what they were doing? i just dont know.

Are you tryin to say that a 10 yr old can't understand murdering a f**king baby is wrong?

Children know the difference between right and wrong and what they did to that kid is not wrong, its evil And the system that thinks that whoever committed this crime should have ever been given a second chance. Read the link, what they did, the barbarity of it and try to convince anyone with a shred of humanity in them that these have served there time, if there is a hell i hope they burn

read it again, i state clearly that i am sure they knew it was wrong, but i am also sure they didn't know the full extent of what they were doing. I thought I made this very clear, obviously not, or maybe in your haste to bite my head off you didn't bother to read it properly.

with regards to the link, I have read it and i have also stated that the version given there is not fully accurate, I have been privy to all the information on this case and i know there is much more not written there, some of the information is not in the public domain for various reasons.

ok it seems i have to reiterate my feelings for the hard of thinking. I am not suggesting for one minute that they were right to kill the boy, far from it, I am however educated enough to know there is a massive difference in the workings of the mind of a 10 year old and an adult. yes they knew they were behaving wrongly, but I am certain they did not fully understand the full extent of what they were doing.

if any of you can say that as a 10 year old you knew the full extent of all your actions then you are lying, as a 10 year old some kid hit me and my mum told me to hit him back so i leathered him with a cricket bat, obviously not fully aware of the consequences as I had no real concept of killing someone, it seems some of you are prepared to think these kids had the mindset and knowledge of an adult, when in reality they were a pair of idiots with no real grasp of anything. I could easily have killed the other kid, just like when some of you have a fight, I don't think you actually realise how easy it is to kill someone, just one blow can do it, but hey you are still prepared to throw punches around, and you are adults.

did they know they were committing murder? I don't think so, I think they were a pair of bullies who went too far without realising the consequences of their actions.

by **babu** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:51 am

i remember when this happened. I was horrified and thought the world had gone mad.

I can't really comment on much here, as i am very far removed. but those saying the boys should have been excecuted for what they did... spare a thought for the judges or panel of judges that would have to live with the decision of giving the order to execute 2 ten year olds.... if it were me forced with that decision (even if it were clearly the correct one), i would rather resign.. no way i could live with myself.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:06 am

Its a very hard decision to make. How could you hang two 10 year olds, or make them wait till they are 18 and then hang them. Myra Hindley and Brady were adults when they committed their heinous crimes and they wern't executed (which I believe they should have been) so how could you justify hanging 2 children who at least have the defence of their age and a lack of understanding.

I believe however that "Life" should mean "Life" and while their youth may make the decision harder to make, I would have seen them serve "Life".

by **NiftyNeil** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:11 am

Those bastards shouldn't be allowed to walk the streets for what they did. There's a lot of talk of "oh, they were only ten year olds and didn't know any better". Those who think that, cast your mind back to when you were ten. Did you have any thoughts about killing a toddler? Kidnap? Torture? I know I didn't. To do something like that, you must be fucked up in the head - big time! People don't grow out of that.

by **Ciggy** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:21 am

At he time some missfit family moved in right facing our house, they had 6 kids and two in care, the dad rang the police from the phonebox saying it was one of his kids.
Within an hour sky news was in me mums, about 2000 people in our street the kid was still in the house with an angry lynch mob ready to shed his blood Ive never seen anything like it in my life I was sick at the thought this kid was one of the so called kidnappers.
Neitherless to say it wasnt the kid they wanted the reward, they had to go into hiding after it.
My mums mate son was one of the four lads who found James he has never gotten over it till this day they thought it was a dolls head.

If it had happened to your kid 10 year olds that done it or not you would still want them locked up 47 injuries to that baby they intended to do him harm 10 or not.
If it was me they wouldnt still be alive and if Denise ever gets sick you can bet your life she will take theirs before her own.

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