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Postby red37 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:23 pm

1. Does astral projection mean you can move around outer body and if so tell me more.


Basically, yes. Highly simplified answer i know, but tis largely true. (Albeit an extremely difficult principle to control initially)

Excellent book btw:  'Projection of the Astral Body' - Carrington/Muldoon.  ISBN 0766146049 


2. how do you go about learning that kind of stuf and who from.


First and foremost a word of extreme caution, the study of these principles must be undertaken in a manner which accepts, by its very nature alone far and away more commitment and dedication than any earthbound pursuit will ever allow room for manoeuvre within. I.e Marriage, Children, Material wealth etc...if you are truly genuine in your desire to acquire and fully embrace knowledge of this nature, it will more than likely seek out YOU as a vessel for fulfillment. As opposed to you flapping around in the ether trying to make sense of it all. If you are in direct concourse with what you suppose to be 'spirit' then in all likelihood there is something that you are required to understand somewhere along the way, above and beyond your present comprehension. For example, oftentimes an entity can be attempting communication with a subject and can find no simple effective means by which to get their point across (ego's remain, as do artificial deafness) other than that of the type of activity that is plagiarised and made light of in certain programmes/films, which we are all more than familiar with...You are aware of the kind of scenario we are discussing here, no need for further mention. But in the great majority of situations, it is Fear itself, on the part of the subject that sub-consciously 'blocks' or prevents these encounters from manifesting themselves with enough clarity, as to be successful with their primary intent. Namely, that of the passing on of necessary/helpful information.

Then of course, as a direct result of those fears and apprehensions thwarting any true endeavor, there become grey areas, that remain misinterpreted as some sort of 'evil' doing. When nothing could be further from the truth (in MOST cases). Most cases that relate to the ordinary anyway. In almost all of the above anecdotes mentioned here in this thread, where someone has detected 'spirit' or feels inclined to accept it as that;  there is also a prevalent element of Fear. This of course is quite understandable. Our tuned and trained 'Minds' evolved over the decades now have little or nothing to do with these primeval tendencies any more. Children and Animals remain the most fruitful of vessels within which to contain their psychic merits. And it is by the Human conditioning of our selves, over the years by which they then start to dissipate. Never, totally...but still, like a Pianist..they must be honed and realigned with vibrational frequencies beyond those that we as human beings are familiar with, on a day to day basis in order for them to thrive, thus become comprehended.

What you will never, ever wish to do is invoke such instances, aside from those you feel comfortable pre-empting, which are in all evidence, quite blatantly malevolent. Often only revealed after the event, sadly. This leads into the realm of matters i would rather not discuss any further than i already have. And feel more than at liberty to dismiss here and now as TOTALLY OFF LIMITS for the purpose of this debate...and i propose, any other.

If you are serious and if you still ultimately wish to walk this path. Then eventually you will succumb, no matter what. It may be a chance encounter, a flash of inspiration, an article in a magazine, a fleeting dream, a sign on the wall...or it may even be some intrinsic personal revelation that acts as the catalyst to enlightenment. What i can do is provide you with the above advice, and no more...this is why i say, beware of the 'sensationalism' that abounds the Occult arts. IT is NOT cool or Hip to be perceived as a Witch or some kind of Demonic entity, roaming the land causing mayhem and havoc to those who cause you distress....(extremely viable point in there).  Karmic debt WILL be seen to be done, but not always by the hand of the aggrieved.  And certain tools within its principles that are best left alone, for sure. In short, they are DIRECT and OPEN receptacles for the lost and wandering to find escape through. And once released....they know no bounds, other than the kindred soul that allowed their egress into this plane. Bit like that stray cat that you give milk to. You will NEVER be freed from the shackles, they supply until the day you draw last breath. Of course, not all are malevolent presences, but the guarantee is - there is no guarantee!

I know how they work and i know how it comes to be that they work. But i'll tell you this, you will not be under cover of the protective light of your friends 'group vibration' at ALL times, will you. There are going to be, solitary moments....vulnerable moments. Sobre, straight, chemically un-influenced lengths of  time, where you are at the most significant risk. Be careful.

Having said all that, and i truly hope ive said it clearly enough. Every person has a choice to make. And it is by no means in the jurisdiction of others to impinge upon that will. Equally, the occult disciplines are not intended for ANY personal gain, other than the benevolence afforded to the plight of others..Bummer eh! - Tough, thats the deal. Part of the contract im afraid.

If you are struggling RJ (or anybody else for that matter) PM me, and we'll have a chat.

3. if i got you a hair from booze nose could you turn him in to a toad or maybe just slow death.


Behave! (there are possibilities beyond the comprehension of normality....but not here eh)  :;):  In any case, you would pay a very high price eventually, no question.
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Postby woof woof ! » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:41 pm

red37 wrote:In any case, you would pay a very high price eventually, no question.

Can I use my nectar card ?

If not , why not ? and can you prove it ?

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Postby shanks72 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:42 pm

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Although I find the evidence of life after death overwhelming..
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And when are you ging to share all this evidence with the rest of mankind?


LOL....  :D

What I mean is that there are so many accounts of paranormal activity around the country that to just shut off and say 'I don't believe in that...'
I find a lil narrow minded to say the least...and I know 'each to their own'....
but I cannot understand how people cannot believe in spirits, when there are so many positive accounts on the subject...and they can't all be lying.

I have had personal experience of the paranormal...so perhaps people need to see for themselves before they will accept it.
So I believe in spirits and a spirit world....
the Bible describes it as 'the world of the dead'...and this is enough 'evidence' for me...'though you may not believe this.

The disciples once mistook Jesus for a spirit..and He said 'they don't have flesh and bone like I have', can't remember the quote...So He was saying ' yeah, there are spirits'.
The Bible says there is life after death and this is what I believe....but to also have had personal experience of the spirits or 'ghosts' still on this earth is overwhelming enough for me....
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Have had some paranormal experiences. I get severe de ja vu all the time. I remember going to germany once, and i know it sounds silly but i knew there would be  broken curtain in one of the rooms as that had happened before. Whenever i go places i sort of know where i am as it seems to have all happened before, really freaks me out sometime.



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Postby red37 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:49 pm

'Wingardium Leviosa' to you an all - woof!   :rasp   :D
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Postby shanks72 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:51 pm

I do believe that animals have spirits....not right down to insects though... :D

My parents went to dinner with some friends a while ago and one of the ladies said that their cat had recently died...
However, she was in her kitchen a while after it had happened and she saw her cat walk across the kitchen floor.
But she thought she wouldn't tell her husband as he woulodn't believe it.
In the end, though, she did and he said that he had also seen it in the bathroom....

We used to live 6 doors down from the house we now live in...and when my bro and I were at school we used to play with the children who originally lived in our present house. They always had a golden labrador dog...

When my son was about 6 he was playing upstairs and he came running down to tell me he had just seen a 'yellow' labrador going up the loft stairs...I sleep in a room in the loft.....and there was no way he could have known that a labrador used to live here....we never talk about it....he was so surprised as well when he recounted it.

The boy who originally lived here used to sleep in the loft, so I presume the dog was his....

I get frightened over the smallest things....so I find it comforting to think that there may be a dog in my room 'looking after me'...

I just thought that anyone who has lost a pet recently may find these stories a comfort....'cause their beloved 'lost' pets may be closer than they think....  :)
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:55 pm

has anyone seen the movie Fairytale? its a true story about 2 girls somewhere in the 1950s in europe, if im not wrong, who saw fairies. it was pretty well documented according to my sis who watched it. i did have some ''ghostly'' encounters including one of the ouija board. and my old school was haunted. apparently the area which i live in was a japanese burial ground during WW2.
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Postby Judge » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:03 pm

red37 wrote:'Wingardium Leviosa' to you an all - woof!   :rasp   :D

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Postby neil » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:10 pm

there was talk of a ghost butterfly round our way a couple of years ago....and a ghost wasp :(
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Postby shanks72 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:19 pm

neil wrote:there was talk of a ghost butterfly round our way a couple of years ago....and a ghost wasp :(


lol... :D

Don't yer mock me now... :p
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Postby red37 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:47 pm

Shanks, im going to offer here what appears at first glance to be a contradiction.

A lot (if not a definitive) amount of these 'tales' can easily be attributed to the Chemical/Biological cessation of the Brain's function and its immediate structures at the exact
moment of Death. There are copious articles on the subject of NDE's and the like...that account similar features of the procedure. (Scientifically, it is exactly that - an event). The 'mind' is an entirely different conceptual beast. Much of its purpose/existence is yet to be mapped, or categorized sufficiently enough as to offer any true authority on the subject. Science, not Religion will of course provide the answers in time. As is its aim....or will it?

But of course, there will remain a 'cult' appreciation of all things inexplicable as long as we, as Natural and supremely developed organisms (given the capability for exploration - derived from whichever source) hold within our remit, the desire and will to answer such questions that are layed out like fragmented pieces of some 'uber'- puzzle, that evolution would have you believe, simply have to be solved in order to move up to the next rung on the great progressive ladder.

The exact moment of Death can be explained (sufficiently enough for my curiosity) by the following:

WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO DIE

Any pain to be suffered comes first.  Instinctively you fight to survive. That is automatic. It is inconceivable to the conscious mind that any other reality could possibly exist beside the earth-world of matter bounded by time and space.  We are used to it.  We have been trained since birth to live and thrive in it.  We know ourselves to be ourselves by the external stimuli we receive.  Life tells us who we are and we accept its telling.  That, too, is automatic, and to be expected.

Your body goes limp.  Your heart stops.  No more air flows in or out.

You lose sight, feeling, and movement – although the ability to hear goes last.  Identity ceases. 

The "you" that you once were becomes only a memory.

There is no pain at the moment of death. Only peaceful silence. . . calm. . . quiet.

But you still exist.

It is easy not to breathe.  In fact, it is easier, more comfortable, and infinitely more natural not to breathe than to breathe.  The biggest surprise for most people in dying is to realize that dying does not end life.  Whether darkness or light comes next, or some kind of event, be it positive,
negative, or somewhere in-between, expected or unexpected, the biggest surprise of all is to realize you are still you.  You can still think, you can still remember, you can still see, hear, move, reason, wonder, feel, question, and tell jokes – if you wish.

You are still alive, very much alive.  Actually, you're more alive after death than at any time since you were last born.  Only the way of all this is different; different because you no longer wear a dense body to filter and amplify the various sensations you had once regarded as the only valid indicators of what constitutes life.  You had always been taught one has to wear a body to live.

If you expect to die when you die you will be disappointed.

The only thing dying does is help you release, slough off, and discard the "jacket" you once wore

(more commonly referred to as a body).

When you die you lose your body. That's all there is to it.

Nothing else is lost.

You are not your body.  It is just something you wear for a while, because living in the earth-plane is infinitely more meaningful and more involved if you are encased in its trappings and subject to its rules.


WHAT DEATH IS

There is a step-up of energy at the moment of death, an increase in speed as if you are suddenly vibrating faster than before. Using radio as an analogy, this speed-up is comparable to having lived all your life at a certain radio frequency when all of a sudden someone or something comes along and flips the dial. 

That flip shifts you to another, higher wavelength. The original frequency where you once existed is still there.  It did not change. Everything is still just the same as it was.  Only you changed, only you speeded up to allow entry into the next radio frequency on the dial.

As is true with all radios and radio stations, there can be bleed-overs or distortions of transmission signals due to interference patterns.  These can allow or force frequencies to coexist or commingle for indefinite periods of time.  Normally, most shifts up the dial are fast and efficient; but, occasionally, one can run into interference, perhaps from a strong emotion, a sense of duty, or a need to fulfill a vow, or keep a promise. 

This interference could allow coexistence of frequencies for a few seconds, days, or even years (perhaps explaining hauntings); but, sooner or later, eventually, every given vibrational frequency will seek out or be nudged to where it belongs.

You fit your particular spot on the dial by your speed of vibration.  You cannot coexist forever where you do not belong. Who can say how many spots there are on the dial or how many frequencies there are to inhabit.  No one knows.

You shift frequencies in dying.  You switch over to life on another wave-length.  You are still a spot on the dial but you move up or down a notch or two. You don't die when you die.  You shift your consciousness and speed of vibration.

That's all death is. . . a shift.



Now, for me, that provides enough crumbs of comfort for the purpose of the debate it undoubtedly generates. And there are several pertinant questions raised within the above, that only add yet more sustenance to the flames....but wouldn't it be great if that were the case?  Wouldn't it explain it all? 

Certainly, we do not have more than that 'conveniently explained hypothesis' to go on - just yet.  It is in the matter of 'Where' exactly the conscience is ultimately shifted TO, that intrigues my senses.  Remember, The greatest Fear of them all is the one which binds the sufferer to its perceived limitations. And the querant who demands the answers, as proof...usually has the greatest urge to suppress the volume of his/her questions in the first place.
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Although I find the evidence of life after death overwhelming..



And when are you ging to share all this evidence with the rest of mankind?


LOL....   

What I mean is that there are so many accounts of paranormal activity around the country that to just shut off and say 'I don't believe in that...'
I find a lil narrow minded to say the least...and I know 'each to their own'....
but I cannot understand how people cannot believe in spirits, when there are so many positive accounts on the subject...and they can't all be lying.

I have had personal experience of the paranormal...so perhaps people need to see for themselves before they will accept it.
So I believe in spirits and a spirit world....
the Bible describes it as 'the world of the dead'...and this is enough 'evidence' for me...'though you may not believe this.

The disciples once mistook Jesus for a spirit..and He said 'they don't have flesh and bone like I have', can't remember the quote...So He was saying ' yeah, there are spirits'.
The Bible says there is life after death and this is what I believe....but to also have had personal experience of the spirits or 'ghosts' still on this earth is overwhelming enough for me....

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Although I find the evidence of life after death overwhelming..



And when are you ging to share all this evidence with the rest of mankind?


LOL....   

What I mean is that there are so many accounts of paranormal activity around the country that to just shut off and say 'I don't believe in that...'
I find a lil narrow minded to say the least...and I know 'each to their own'....
but I cannot understand how people cannot believe in spirits, when there are so many positive accounts on the subject...and they can't all be lying.

I have had personal experience of the paranormal...so perhaps people need to see for themselves before they will accept it.
So I believe in spirits and a spirit world....
the Bible describes it as 'the world of the dead'...and this is enough 'evidence' for me...'though you may not believe this.

The disciples once mistook Jesus for a spirit..and He said 'they don't have flesh and bone like I have', can't remember the quote...So He was saying ' yeah, there are spirits'.
The Bible says there is life after death and this is what I believe....but to also have had personal experience of the spirits or 'ghosts' still on this earth is overwhelming enough for me....

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You mention the Bible as evidence of life after death when the Bible is an instrument of faith not a historically accurate document, and although I accept and respect that you are probably a Christian, you cannot mistake it for something it is not.

The truth of the matter is that under scientifically controlled conditions no one has ever coming close to proving in ghosts, psychic ability, telekenisis or any of the other :censored: that charlatans, crooks and people just looking for attention tend to get an unnecessary amount of public access to soften the brains of the general public, usually for a cash profit.

Show me proof and I'll believe but intill then, you're avin a laugh ain't ya?
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Although I find the evidence of life after death overwhelming..



And when are you ging to share all this evidence with the rest of mankind?


LOL....   

What I mean is that there are so many accounts of paranormal activity around the country that to just shut off and say 'I don't believe in that...'
I find a lil narrow minded to say the least...and I know 'each to their own'....
but I cannot understand how people cannot believe in spirits, when there are so many positive accounts on the subject...and they can't all be lying.

I have had personal experience of the paranormal...so perhaps people need to see for themselves before they will accept it.
So I believe in spirits and a spirit world....
the Bible describes it as 'the world of the dead'...and this is enough 'evidence' for me...'though you may not believe this.

The disciples once mistook Jesus for a spirit..and He said 'they don't have flesh and bone like I have', can't remember the quote...So He was saying ' yeah, there are spirits'.
The Bible says there is life after death and this is what I believe....but to also have had personal experience of the spirits or 'ghosts' still on this earth is overwhelming enough for me....

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Although I find the evidence of life after death overwhelming..



And when are you ging to share all this evidence with the rest of mankind?


LOL....   

What I mean is that there are so many accounts of paranormal activity around the country that to just shut off and say 'I don't believe in that...'
I find a lil narrow minded to say the least...and I know 'each to their own'....
but I cannot understand how people cannot believe in spirits, when there are so many positive accounts on the subject...and they can't all be lying.

I have had personal experience of the paranormal...so perhaps people need to see for themselves before they will accept it.
So I believe in spirits and a spirit world....
the Bible describes it as 'the world of the dead'...and this is enough 'evidence' for me...'though you may not believe this.

The disciples once mistook Jesus for a spirit..and He said 'they don't have flesh and bone like I have', can't remember the quote...So He was saying ' yeah, there are spirits'.
The Bible says there is life after death and this is what I believe....but to also have had personal experience of the spirits or 'ghosts' still on this earth is overwhelming enough for me....

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You mention the Bible as evidence of life after death when the Bible is an instrument of faith not a historically accurate document, and although I accept and respect that you are probably a Christian, you cannot mistake it for something it is not.

The truth of the matter is that under scientifically controlled conditions no one has ever coming close to proving in ghosts, psychic ability, telekenisis or any of the other :censored: that charlatans, crooks and people just looking for attention tend to get an unnecessary amount of public access to soften the brains of the general public, usually for a cash profit.

Show me proof and I'll believe but intill then, you're avin a laugh ain't ya?

For me the Bible is the word of God and is true....so for me that is my 'evidence'....

but I have also had ghostly experiences, that I cannot deny...and at the time wished weren't happening....

Like I've said perhaps you need to experience such an encounter for yourself before you will 'believe'.

I know that we all have spirits which are our 'true' selves and when we die we leave our bodies....
some spirits decide to hang around for reasons known only to themselves and appear to innocent people at whim...

I just think that there are so many accounts of spiritual sightings by genuine people....that it doesn't make sense, to me, how people can question them....I know to question is good....but come on....

I've come face to face with spirits on this earth...so I am biased...

Perhaps if I hadn't I would be feeling like you, but I will never know now, will I?
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Postby shanks72 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:19 pm

Good post red....I like the illustration of our bodies being like a jacket that we take off when we die....fits the bill perfectly.... :)
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Postby red37 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:26 pm

You raise some valid points there burjennio...not entirely pertinant (from my Point of view) though nonetheless.....food for thought.

The inherent feature of threads of this nature, are by way of their content, highly contentious to state the obvious. This is a double edged sword. On the one hand, great for a spook or a reeling off of some previously tired and trodden old Ghost story, that even the kids are bored with... to the other extreme where accusations and religiously spiked, defamatory comments abound. At the end of the day, each have a will of their own. Some choose to fritter the laws of that provenence down the grid, eschewing all responsibility for their senses. Others, perch upon high moral ground - picking off the weak and the followers of literary 'fashion' to fuel their own agenda.

But, save this for a rainy day. Not one mention of personal gain or profiteering by fair means or foul, will pass from my lips on the subject. There are written and un-written laws, bound into the very fabric of the Occult disciplines and their principles. Fortune- telling belongs on the Promenade, in smoke ridden, upstairs back rooms of Public houses, that wish to draw in the sheeplike masses for a laugh...and a piece of silver or three, or behind the drapes of the Parlour room with a frosted Aunt holding court. 

Not in the 'true' sense of the Occult. Therein, it holds no place whatsoever.  Folk, might do well to disassociate the two, in order that there be no shred of doubt.

As for, Science being unable to provide concrete evidence of the credibility of such fields....Controversially enough, they will eventually spend the requisite amount in their Research budgets to be able to substantiate the costs with sufficient results. Some day - I predict it.   :;):

Btw, and iam far from somebody who believes everything (if at all anything) they read. The only problem being, none of us are likely to be around in 2114.....or will we be?
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