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by **Wilhelmsson** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:25 am

Emerald Red wrote:Well, I admit I'm biased. I don't want to see him play for us, and it doesn't really matter to me if he can do the job or not. I'd prefere Rafa to go spend that kind of money on a younger player with more potential.

Having said that, it's well known Fergie is prone to making astronomical blunders when it comes to letting players go from his club. VanNistelrooy is a good example. Would I have taken him from United? In a heartbeat. But that's a player at the business end of the pitch. I never really rated Heinze when he was at United, and I'm not going to be a hypocrite and be all happy and supportive if he comes here. I'd prefere he didn't.

I think along these lines too, but the problem is not with the LB, the problems lies with the wings and these are two positions which could and should be improved to improve the creative aspect of the attacking play. Aurelio and Riise both look comfortable and competent in this position.

It would be ideal to sign a younger left defender, but who does one sign? LB’s are getting harder to come by these days.

I would like to see a younger LB sign; I can’t think of a talented individual who fits the bill and I am against the signing of Heinze, I can see the logic behind the signing.

He is a talented defender, even if his best days are behind him.

by **ken_job** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:26 am

Sorry emerald but I am in total agreement with leon...if we can get a fighter and a winner the quality of Heinze for a reasonable price then I am fully behind that move.

Your comment on 'youth & potential' are fair but its not often a top qaulity left back comes along who's ready to slot straight into a tital winning team...in fact you could argue that we have too much 'youth and potential' at the moment and that theres an imbalance in the squad.

by **ken_job** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:29 am

It appears we were typing at the same time wilhelmson - shame the outcome was so different:D

by **Wilhelmsson** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:34 am

ken_job wrote:It appears we were typing at the same time wilhelmson - shame the outcome was so different:D

This is the art of conservation and debate, you put across valid points, the two main problems I have is A) Heinze has played for our rivals. I struggle to cheer on the likes of Rooney, Neville whilst I wear my rose tinted spectacles and these spectacles don’t seem to come off my head much.

B) I feel his best days are behind him and he hasn’t been the same Heinze since his injury and if a ‘defender’ such as Evra can dislodge Heinze, a few questions have to be made about the state of this particular player.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:43 am

Wilhelmsson wrote:I would like to see a younger LB sign; I can’t think of a talented individual who fits the bill and I am against the signing of Heinze, I can see the logic behind the signing.

This part almost contradicts itself. What is your reason for being against the potential signing of Heinze? You see the logic, so what is the problem?

I'd say a player of his ability, who is also very capable of covering at centre back would be a very logical signing. I don't consider £6m (IF that is the price he would go for) a massive price to pay, even if he is 29. As for the manc stuff, I couldn't give a monkeys who he played for. I think he'd be more than motivated to play for us, especially under Rafa.

He fits the bill at a reasonable price, I would be for this signing.

by **ken_job** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:45 am

I must say also though that I dont think LB is our biggest concern at the moment and that cover for CB is crucial. Imagine carra got injured - Hypia nor Paletta can be trusted at this moment in time.

However...in response to A) I can gaurantee you no self-respecting LFC fan could possibly cheer on rooney or neville. (neville ffs!) Heinze on the other hand hasnt been there very long and hasnt been playing regularly of late. He's also argentinian which i do believe will help me forgive and forget. With B) you could very well be right - who knows. But most decent wing backs can play until mid-thirties...he's not short of pace either.

I think he could offer a lot for the next 2/3 seasons.

by **Wilhelmsson** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:49 am

I am against the signing of Heinze because of the rivalry between Liverpool and MU, because I don’t believe business should be conducted between rivals. I don’t see how this is contradictory, I can see the logic behind it, but I do not support it. This method of thought is common to open minded people.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:53 am

Wilhelmsson wrote:I am against the signing of Heinze because of the rivalry between Liverpool and MU, because I don’t believe business should be conducted between rivals. I don’t see how this is contradictory, I can see the logic behind it, but I do not support it. This method of thought is common to open minded people.

Come on, now you are making an even greater contradiction. If anything an 'open minded' person would be completely against the logic you propose, the logic that because we are rivals we should not do business together. If anything your view represents 'closed mindedness'.

by **Wilhelmsson** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:54 am

LFC2007 wrote:
Wilhelmsson wrote:I am against the signing of Heinze because of the rivalry between Liverpool and MU, because I don’t believe business should be conducted between rivals. I don’t see how this is contradictory, I can see the logic behind it, but I do not support it. This method of thought is common to open minded people.

Come on, now you are making an even greater contradiction. If anything an 'open minded' person would be completely against the logic you propose, the logic that because we are rivals we should not do business together. If anything your view represents 'closed mindedness'.

Quite

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:56 am

Emerald Red wrote:Having said that, it's well known Fergie is prone to making astronomical blunders when it comes to letting players go from his club. VanNistelrooy is a good example.

It was hardly an 'astronomical blunder'. Look at how they performed without him, and given his age I would say it was a timely sale. Rednose was ruthless, and that is one of the reasons why he has been so successful in his career.

by **ken_job** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:59 am

Damn that rednosed bast*rd

by **Wilhelmsson** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:02 am

ken_job wrote:I must say also though that I dont think LB is our biggest concern at the moment and that cover for CB is crucial. Imagine carra got injured - Hypia nor Paletta can be trusted at this moment in time.

However...in response to A) I can gaurantee you no self-respecting LFC fan could possibly cheer on rooney or neville. (neville ffs!) Heinze on the other hand hasnt been there very long and hasnt been playing regularly of late. He's also argentinian which i do believe will help me forgive and forget. With B) you could very well be right - who knows. But most decent wing backs can play until mid-thirties...he's not short of pace either.

I think he could offer a lot for the next 2/3 seasons.

The CB position is comfortable at the moment IMO. Sami hasn’t completely lost it, his reading of the game and his ability to get himself into good positions before the attacker and ball reaches him is still there.

Paletta isn’t a bad player by any means, he can improve (of course), there’s always room for improvement. If Paletta is ever going to improve as a player, he needs to be given opportunities to improve and gain experience and really force his way onto the team sheet.

I understand with regards to my point A, what you are saying and of course I shouldn’t have needed to say it, but to me Heinze is a MU player, I am just not sure I could cheer him on, whilst knowing he’s played for our main rivals.

It seems stupid and it is, but loyalty is something I hold in high regard and I am not sure how someone could play in the red of MU and then cross the motorway and play in the red of Liverpool, the concept is alien to me.

If he does sign and he plays well and does the business, then I will probably warm to him and overcome such an opinion I behold, who knows, I am not completely stubborn in my views.

As for my point B, I hope I didn’t come across as me suggesting Heinze would offer us very little. IMO he is still a good player, who as you say could give us two or three seasons of stability and competence at the back, I was just suggesting from my observations that Heinze is not the same player he used to be.

It shall be interesting, whatever the outcome.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:13 am

Wilhelmsson wrote:This is the art of conservation and debate

Hear ye!

by **kazza** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:26 am

From Skynews (bbc also running the same story):

Rafa Benitez has confirmed Liverpool's lawyers are trying to force a deal for Manchester United's Gabriel Heinze.

The Anfield manager has seen an initial bid for the player rejected by his Old Trafford counterpart Sir Alex Ferguson, who has previously ruled out Heinze making a switch to their bitter rivals.

However, Liverpool are refusing to give up on their pursuit of the Argentine international.

Recent reports suggest the Reds have made an offer in the region of £7million for the versatile defender.

Benitez said: "We made an offer which they [United] rejected.

"The lawyers are now working on it and so we have to wait. He's a good player."

It has also recently emerged that Heinze has a letter signed by United chief executive David Gill promising he could leave the club if they received a bid in excess of £6million, and Liverpool now appear to be considering legal action.

If the move is to materialise it would be the first transfer between the two clubs since Phil Chisnall arrived on Merseyside in 1964.

by **puroresu** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:32 am

Does anyone think the fee for a 30 year old such as Heinze is to high?

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