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by **babu** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:07 am

Hey GBJH,

Listen mate, just becuase a few members are having a pop at you, doesn't mean you should resort to the tired and lame comeback of 'glory hunters', especailly if you think the majority on here are. How could you possibly know? you can't.

All this, I am a better supporter than you cause...... Its rubbish. There may be some glory hunters on here and if we have success, there may be more. You can't do feck all about it.

Just get on with posting and call those who disagree with you cnuts, leave the rest of us out of it.

(ps i am a proud glory hunter... still haven't decided who i'll support next season, should know by december.

)

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:30 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:But one other point, just because you've followed us from 78 (possibly earlier) doesn't exclude you from being a glory hunter. The defination of glory hunter in my eyes is somebody who supports a club, based only on its successes and not for any love or passion for the club.

Conversely, just because you've supported the club since you were a wee nipper in Toxteth does not mean that your views on the current state of things at the club are well thought through or balanced. No matter how much you'd like to believe otherwise, for instance, Craig Lindfield is not yet ready for first team football, 5-6 internationals are not going to leave the club in January due to a lack of playing time, and Daniel Agger is not one of the two best centrebacks in world football. As you've found, this kind of nonsense usually does not pass unremarked on this board.

So, you've got a choice. Continue as your going, calling everyone who disagrees with you a "glory hunter" and see how far that sense of smug satisfaction carries you. My guess is you'd be fed up with this place within a month or two and would never be heard from again.

Or, you could acknowledge that we're all Liverpool fans who love the club with a passion and who support it through thick and thin. That might help you to accept that quite a few people--including the people you are debating with of late--actually have some decent insights to offer about the club we all love, wherever in the world they happen to be. Maybe this will give you new insights into your local club and inspire you to think a little bit more carefully about your own contributions to the board.

Look, mate, you seem a decent enough fellow and you certainly have a depth of personal experience and historical knowledge about the club that few on here could match. I hope you stick around and share that stuff--and more--with us. But, the only way that will happen is if you feck this "glory hunter" rubbish off because, like it or not, us OOTers are not going anywhere. :no

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:15 am

babu wrote:Hey GBJH,

Listen mate, just becuase a few members are having a pop at you, doesn't mean you should resort to the tired and lame comeback of 'glory hunters', especailly if you think the majority on here are. How could you possibly know? you can't.

All this, I am a better supporter than you cause...... Its rubbish. There may be some glory hunters on here and if we have success, there may be more. You can't do feck all about it.

Just get on with posting and call those who disagree with you cnuts, leave the rest of us out of it.

(ps i am a proud glory hunter... still haven't decided who i'll support next season, should know by december. )

well put Babu.

I think I will try Real Madrid and Chelsea this year, should get a few cups out of them.

by **ConnO'var** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:32 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:fair enough neil, *ahem* glory hunter *ahem* . But I wasn't claiming you personally as a glory hunter, it was merely a gerneralisation of the majority of folks on this site. I remember that match well you spoke of. There I was in the Kop, just left of the goal and back in the 70s we were hardly beaten at Anfield, so for those scummy bas.tards to beat us, just shocked the lot of us.

But one other point, just because you've followed us from 78 (possibly earlier) doesn't exclude you from being a glory hunter. The defination of glory hunter in my eyes is somebody who supports a club, based only on its successes and not for any love or passion for the club.

Mate, that's completely uncalled for......

Majority of the folks are on here because the love the club, barring a few WUMs... They may have different opinions to yourself and a different way to express them but calling us all glory hunters won't win you any friends.

It hardly matters whether someone's been supporting the club for longer or is an OOTER does it? What matters is that most of us are on here to discuss the club we love....

In short.... That statement is way out of line...

:no

by **Sabre** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:05 pm

Even if Liverpool didn't win the CL in 2005, it would be the only club I could love in England.

In fact, saying that there is people that supports Liverpool due to success is a bit insulting IMHO. I don't know how to put this in english, but the times in which my skin was like a chicken and the hair was as electrified where moments in which LFC was losing and their crowd was chanting YNWA.

That's the kind of thing it makes LFC special, the success and titles are just the bonus and the consequence of being special, but I'd bet my house that most fans do not support Liverpool for success.

That said, I'm grateful Liverpool has a decent amount of success. I only cheer for my local club, which is relegated in segunda division in Spain, the national Spanish squad, who are the greatest underachievers ever, so thank God Liverpool has some success because I'd cut my veins depressed if they also lost. :laugh:

by **Igor Zidane** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:47 pm

GBJH from tokky la , wotch it kidda or eel ave yer , ee nose de ungeeeeees yer no kidda , laffin lid laffin . Bellend .

I'm a glory hunter and proud of it , glory hunter since 1969 lid .

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:11 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:I don't think anyone is advocating 'Rafa can do no wrong', that's an extremist argument used by the 'In Rafa we distrust gang' to have a go at the 'In Rafa we have a reasonable amount of faith gang'

Every manager makes bad signings, he made a few who he thought would succeed on a low budget, he knew La Liga well and thought Josemi would do the job and for a short while he did.

Houllier bought just as many turkeys, but feck more expensive turkeys. Rednose has done the same, as has Wenger......

I don't recall Bill Shankly/Bob Paisley making 14 bad signings and they were here a lot longer than Rafa.

As for peewee's earlier point at why people are having a go at me, it's mainly becuase I simply proved Lando Griffin and LFC2007 wrong, on numerous occasions. And instead of saying fair enough, they decided to clutch at straws at make my posts sound like I was the one in thw wrong. As for the rest of you lads in here who have taken it upon yourselves to tell me what my posts meant, they are just unable to read.

If Rafa had £14 million he wouldn't of spent it on Josemi? Yeah pal, that's spot on, because Rafa didn't get 14 million, he's had near enough £100 million within 3 and bit years. Oh and by the way, he still brought in Josemi.

Peewee seems to be the only fella in here who understands what my points were. So maybe the rest of you boys should head off back to the library and get a book called "being able to read."

You're absolutely laughable, really.

How thick must you be to say "You can't read - go and borrow a BOOK that will teach you how"?

Surely even someone as conceited as yourself can see the absolute retarded irony in your statement?

What you said, was this:

"As for Houiller having Owen and Fowler at his disposal and Rafa didn't, correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it Rafa who sold Owen? So if he had kept hold of him wouldn't he have had Owen at his disposal? Didn't Rafa bring Fowler back, so didn't Rafa have Fowler at his disposal to? I must obviously be dreaming."

No-one denied that the two players were there under Rafa. I simply said that to suggest Rafa was the one who sold Owen was idiotic. He had no choice.

And once again - even though he and Fowler were at the club while Rafa was there, Owen wasn't on the game (mind elsewhere), and Fowler was 5 years older.

Ergo, this statement:

"Treble Jari coming to the end of his career-Last season Robbie coming to the end of his career. Based on performances ONLY in their final year at Anfield, I'd choose Jari because he was superb for us in 2001. Last season Robbie wouldn't of been missed.
Next the pacey forward. Owen at his prime 2001, Bellamy at his prime 2006/07. No contest not even going to define why Owen comes out streets ahead."

Completely negates your whining about comparisons. You reckon we are wrong to make a comparison - but you do it here.

Hmmm....

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:36 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:I don't think anyone is advocating 'Rafa can do no wrong', that's an extremist argument used by the 'In Rafa we distrust gang' to have a go at the 'In Rafa we have a reasonable amount of faith gang'

Every manager makes bad signings, he made a few who he thought would succeed on a low budget, he knew La Liga well and thought Josemi would do the job and for a short while he did.

Houllier bought just as many turkeys, but feck more expensive turkeys. Rednose has done the same, as has Wenger......

I don't recall Bill Shankly/Bob Paisley making 14 bad signings and they were here a lot longer than Rafa.

As for peewee's earlier point at why people are having a go at me, it's mainly becuase I simply proved Lando Griffin and LFC2007 wrong, on numerous occasions. And instead of saying fair enough, they decided to clutch at straws at make my posts sound like I was the one in thw wrong. As for the rest of you lads in here who have taken it upon yourselves to tell me what my posts meant, they are just unable to read.

If Rafa had £14 million he wouldn't of spent it on Josemi? Yeah pal, that's spot on, because Rafa didn't get 14 million, he's had near enough £100 million within 3 and bit years. Oh and by the way, he still brought in Josemi.

Peewee seems to be the only fella in here who understands what my points were. So maybe the rest of you boys should head off back to the library and get a book called "being able to read."

And perhaps you should head off down to Blockbuster and buy a film called "Back to the future"?

The Shankly and Paisley era is long gone, perhaps you would actually make a more relevant comparison that does not hark back 3 decades? Or is it beyond you to make reasonable and contextual comparisons? I think it is.

Me and Lando have proven that your points are a joke, they don't stand up in any way. You can't even distinguish between an 00/01 Fowler and an 06/07 Fowler. With Owen, you won't acknowledge that it was his decision to leave. Perhaps Rafa should bring in Dalglish and Rush and then we can start having a go at him for having those two "at his disposal" and not delivering?

You pontificate about "history", are very backward looking, archaic and outdated in your views.

by **dawson99** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:41 pm

bob parsley

(sorry, just saw something on youtube about vegetable football, manager of the goodies was bob parsley)

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:37 pm

Since my post containing the words "glory hunters" hasn't set well, I think I might as well apologise. I honestly don't care why people support the same side as me, but my views still remain on the fact that if people do not love the club with any sort of passion, then they are not what I call fans of LFC.

So obivously me saying that it wasn't the same Fowler that Houiller had, to the one Rafa had, is me not distinguishing the difference? OK I'll give you that 1

Yeah LFC2007 you proved me well wrong by saying Phil Neal was a signing of Bill Shankly.

LFC2007 proved me wrong again by saying Karl-Heinze Reidle was a Houiller signing.

Lando obviously proved me wrong by saying Berger was signed by Houiller.

With fans who know so much about the club like you 2, who needs historians?

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:40 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Since my post containing the words "glory hunters" hasn't set well, I think I might as well apologise. I honestly don't care why people support the same side as me, but my views still remain on the fact that if people do not love the club with any sort of passion, then they are not what I call fans of LFC.

Fair play for that and, I agree, a passion for the club is a must. :nod

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:41 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Yeah LFC2007 you proved me well wrong by saying Phil Neal was a signing of Bill Shankly.

LFC2007 proved me wrong again by saying Karl-Heinze Reidle was a Houiller signing.

When did I say that GBJH? NEVER.

Get your eyes checked, it was a question about TALENT SPOTTING.

It was SHANKLY'S SCOUT - GEOFF TWENTYMAN who spotted Neal. I think you need the historian you muppet.

As for Riedle, I acknowledged CLEARLY in my post that I made a mistake - having recognised that he played under Houllier - but was signed the season before by Evans.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:54 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Yeah LFC2007 you proved me well wrong by saying Phil Neal was a signing of Bill Shankly.

LFC2007 proved me wrong again by saying Karl-Heinze Reidle was a Houiller signing.

When did I say that GBJH? NEVER.

Get your eyes checked, it was a question about TALENT SPOTTING.

It was SHANKLY'S SCOUT - GEOFF TWENTYMAN who spotted Neal. I think you need the historian you muppet.

As for Riedle, I acknowledged CLEARLY in my post that I made a mistake - having recognised that he played under Houllier - but was signed the season before by Evans.

Ah talent spotting. Yes the great argument of Liverpool managers who can spot talent and those who can't. I recall Roy Evans finding a very good right-back in Vegard Heggem, I remember Houiller finding a very good right-back in Markus Babbel, both who were unproven in the Prem. I also recall Rafa bringing two unestablished Prem right-backs to Liverpool-Josemi and Kromkamp. Obviously his talent spotting isn't up there with the two managers who went before him. On the other hand because I won't lay all the blame on Rafa. He brought in the best keeper we've had since Brucie. So maybe he can spot some talent, but for me he isn't a great talent spotter.

Well at least after I've told you, you've acknowledged the fact Reidle wasn't a Houiller signing.

As for Phil Neal, I'm aware of Shankly's scouting but you still presumed it was Bill Shankly who signed Phil Neal, I just wanted to let you know that it wasn't, I'm not trying to rub it in or nothing though.

Cheers Bob, I don't mind holding me hands up when I'm either wrong or a little too harsh. Big headed statement coming next though, I'm not USUALLY wrong, ask LFC2007.

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:57 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Big headed statement coming next though, I'm not rarely wrong, ask LFC2007.

Not big headed at all, really.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:01 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Big headed statement coming next though, I'm not rarely wrong, ask LFC2007.

Not big headed at all, really.

I didn't think it was either Bob, just another fair, unbiased and correct statement from me

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