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by **ConnO'var** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:36 pm

bigmick wrote:He also has wised up after a flirtation with squad and formational rotation for a couple of seasons and has stumbled upon the revolutionary theory of by and large picking his strongest team in most games.

From that last post.....

I gather you're against over-rotation then mick?

Just kidding... :laugh:

by **grayghost** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:37 pm

Sean wrote:I assume you mean Gerrard when you mention a player better than Keane. I despise the mancs as much as anyone but will acknowledge that Keane was the outstanding player of his generation and only wish Gerrard was on a par.

Gerrard is better than Keane. Keane was good in a great side but he never had half the abilty SG has. SG can run a game from the middle like RK did but still get you 15 goals a season.
COME ON

by **stmichael** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:46 pm

I actually think Fergie may focus more on Europe this season. He knows he's running out of time to win another CL.

by **dawson99** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:47 pm

aCe' wrote:they didnt sign many big names because they already have all their positions pretty much figured out (a striker short of a brilliant starting 11 imo)...
the needed cover for midfield and the wings and they signed some pretty good youngsters imo...
paid over the odds but when you hae so much unneeded money to spend i guess you get to do that...

point is... even if they had not sined any player this season... and given all the signings we made... they still have more quality in their starting 11 than we do...
this is something i always do but... picking a starting 11 if u combine both sets of players u get something like this:

Reina

Neville Carragher Ferdinand Evra

Ronaldo Gerrard Scholes Giggs

Rooney Torres

thats 4 liverpool players and 7 manutd players...maybe finnan instead of Neville...not much between the two...
anyways i think that the players we signed will def. improve our squad and overall ability but until we sign 2 or 3 worldclass players we wont be able to say that we have a better squad than the mancs do...

hope rafa figures out our best starting 11 soon and plays them whenever fit and ready... no more rotation just for the sake of it plz...even with all the options we hav now !

got a feeling babel would get in over giggs and maybe even masher over scholes.

Gigg cant have the legs for much younger and scholes isnt getting any younger either.

bung in finnan over neville as well and its a 6-5 swing in our favour.

(glass half full at camp dawson, now saying im camp, you know what i mean)

by **redtrader74** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:48 pm

Yeah without doubt Gerrard is a far superior footballer than Keane ever was, better shot, technically, better passer. BUT Keane was a far superior Captain, he intimidated referees, the opposition, his team mates, and had a prescence on the field Stevie doesn't imho, all that is worth an incalculable number of points.
Sometimes i get the impression he doesn't realise how good he is, for example in England games, after Beckham was dropped Fat fwank took corners, free kicks.... if, as he is rightly recognised, the best English midfielder, he should tell the ginger Teddy boy 'Im fcking taking corners/ free kicks' whats he going to do?? Drop him? !!

by **cuppatea** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:08 pm

dawson99 wrote:
aCe' wrote:they didnt sign many big names because they already have all their positions pretty much figured out (a striker short of a brilliant starting 11 imo)...
the needed cover for midfield and the wings and they signed some pretty good youngsters imo...
paid over the odds but when you hae so much unneeded money to spend i guess you get to do that...

point is... even if they had not sined any player this season... and given all the signings we made... they still have more quality in their starting 11 than we do...
this is something i always do but... picking a starting 11 if u combine both sets of players u get something like this:

Reina

Neville Carragher Ferdinand Evra

Ronaldo Gerrard Scholes Giggs

Rooney Torres

thats 4 liverpool players and 7 manutd players...maybe finnan instead of Neville...not much between the two...
anyways i think that the players we signed will def. improve our squad and overall ability but until we sign 2 or 3 worldclass players we wont be able to say that we have a better squad than the mancs do...

hope rafa figures out our best starting 11 soon and plays them whenever fit and ready... no more rotation just for the sake of it plz...even with all the options we hav now !

got a feeling babel would get in over giggs and maybe even masher over scholes.

Gigg cant have the legs for much younger and scholes isnt getting any younger either.

bung in finnan over neville as well and its a 6-5 swing in our favour.

(glass half full at camp dawson, now saying im camp, you know what i mean)

What basis can you possibly have for picking Babel over Giggs? ALL of the Dutch posters on this site are saying Babel is nowhere near good enough to play regularly for Liverpool at the moment, and that even at Ajax there were many players better than him. Considering he isn't even a natural winger, and (I'm assuming) you've hardly ever seen him play (if at all), how can you say he's better NOW than one of the outstanding left wingers of the last 10 years, especially considering Giggs's excellent form last season?

by **dawson99** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:38 pm

I say it as from what ive seen on babel and what mates have seen i think hes the buy of the season in the premiership. i also, altho thinking that yes giggs has been the best of the past 10 years, this is year 112, and his legs are starting to go (hence fergie has bought new blood)

Yeah on paper there is no way anyone could say that babel will be anywhere near giggs, but i honestly think that giggs is past his best now and i guess only time will tell how stupid i amor am not.

plus, no offence to the dutch fans, but they are probably stoned and definately bitter.

id love to know what players at ajax you think are better than him tbag

by **Sean** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:48 pm

People (including manu fans have been making the mistake of suggesting Giggs is finished for the last five years.

by **dawson99** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:49 pm

Sean wrote:People (including manu fans have been making the mistake of suggesting Giggs is finished for the last five years.

well im saying iot this way. hes too hairy and welsh. fergie knows the best is gone. thats why hes spent.

well thats what i say :buttrock

by **tubby** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:32 pm

i remember not so long ago Giggs was struggling to get himself a contract longer than a year and he put in some good performances last season. Scholes also.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:02 pm

Giggs and Scholes were always going to have an Indian summer in the latter stages of their careers, but the simple fact is they cannot and will not continue playing forever.

The thing is, Scholes had 6 months off, so was going to be better and fresher. Don't let that distract you from his average form previously.

Giggs, as has been pointed out, was playing well due to contract problems. Just like Kewell is expected to play his best thins coming season.

They've got 2 seasons left, if that.

by **RedBlood** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:03 pm

Sean wrote:In October 1998, Roy Keane was the exact age Gerrard is now. By that stage he had already had won three league titles, was on the verge of being the main man in a team that would win an unprecedented treble that season and was captain of club and country.

Gerrard has another year or two to reach his peak but I just do not think he controls and dictates the pattern of a game like Keane used to do. Gerrard is better goal scoring threat but I reckon Keane bullyed his team mates into winning titles at the scum. His influence was enormous. I just wish Gerrard could acquire that domineering presence.

it dont matter what trophys hes won

david may is one of the best defenders to ever play in our league if you go on trophys won

gerrard pis.ses all over keane

keane was a good player but a great leader

gerrard is a far better footballer

by **cuppatea** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:30 pm

dawson99 wrote:I say it as from what ive seen on babel and what mates have seen i think hes the buy of the season in the premiership. i also, altho thinking that yes giggs has been the best of the past 10 years, this is year 112, and his legs are starting to go (hence fergie has bought new blood)

Yeah on paper there is no way anyone could say that babel will be anywhere near giggs, but i honestly think that giggs is past his best now and i guess only time will tell how stupid i amor am not.

plus, no offence to the dutch fans, but they are probably stoned and definately bitter.

id love to know what players at ajax you think are better than him tbag

I'M not saying there are better Ajax players, I'm saying that's what I've read from Ajax fans and other fans of Dutch football. I must have read 100 different comments from Dutch fans in the last 2 weeks, and they're all saying the same thing - we've heavily overpaid for Babel and he's not good enough to make the Liverpool first team.

Run http://www.ajaxforum.nl through an online translator and look back at their comments when the Babel to Liverpool rumours first broke. They're not exactly worried about the prospect of losing him are they? Infact most of them were practically PRAYING for the deal to go through. I read "For that much money I will cycle Babel to Liverpool myself" at least 4 times, aswell as comments like "Liverpool are crazy" and "Now we can keep Sneijder and Huntelaar!".

It's the same from fans of other Dutch clubs, most of them cannot believe anyone would offer so much for the lad. It seems to me there is a general sense of disbelief amongst Dutch football fans that anyone would be willing to pay what we have for him, and the only ones saying it's a great signing are those that have never actually seen him play.

Now don't get me wrong, I'll get right behind him when he pulls on the red shirt and I hope to God he's a success, but I can't say my spirits haven't been dampened somewhat by being told a thousand times by those who HAVE seen him play that we're wasting our money, especially since (in my opinion) we were desperate for a quality left winger this summer.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:36 pm

cuppatea wrote:and the only ones saying it's a great signing are those that have never actually seen him play.

Interesting, I've seen him play a few times and he looks like a cracking young player. Yet I suppose you would classify anyone English as one who has "never actually seen him play".

by **cuppatea** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:04 pm

Personally I've seen him play 3 times for the Dutch U21's and twice for the full national side, but I don't think that's enough to form a sound judgement on the player. I think the vast majority of Liverpool fans hailing him as the new Henry have never watched him at all, and most of those who have seen him play have only done so fleetingly. Now if you've seen him regularly and think it's a good signing then fair enough, I'm glad to hear it, but you can't tell me it doesn't worry you when the majority of Dutch football fans (who've seen him week in, week out) think we're getting mugged.

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