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by **oakton** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:32 pm

Riise can't even beat an egg.
He runs near the box and someone passes him the ball, he doesn't need to beat anyone, he just gets the ball and kicks it, occasionally the ball get into the back of the net, but most of the time he kicks it straight to the crowd.

by **maguskwt** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:45 pm

oakton wrote:Riise can't even beat an egg.
He runs near the box and someone passes him the ball, he doesn't need to beat anyone, he just gets the ball and kicks it, occasionally the ball get into the back of the net, but most of the time he kicks it straight to the crowd.

riise's last 3 season goals = 5,4,8

5.1 goal per season average... that with one season not scoring any because of injuries...

not bad for a LB...

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:51 pm

fowler4god wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:Kewell will never regain the form he had at Leeds but he doesn't need to in order to make us a better side. All he needs to do is stay injury free and find the form he had in the second half of the 05-06 season and in the World Cup. Look, it's no coincidence that we managed 82 points that season with a fit Kewell doing well for us down the stretch. He provided the right balance to midfield--something we sorely lacked last season--and he can offer us that again. I do think we need to bring in another LM to challenge for the position but I've got faith that Harry can do the business if he stays fit.

As for Riise, he does a job at LM but he's not got enough in his locker to be our starting LM week in, week out.

I disagree, Riise runs at full backs and beats them and puts crosses in, can cut inside and cause problems for the defence, creates and scores goals and can help the left back if hes under pressure.

As others have said, he gets behind fullbacks on the overlap as a LB, not very often when he plays LM. His crossing is spotty at best and he cuts in much more effectively as a LB than as a LM because he often gets more space to do so with a LM ahead of him occupying defenders. As I said, he's an adequate grafter at LM who can do the job if needed but he is by no means the answer to our LM problems if we want to challenge for the league.

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:53 pm

maguskwt wrote:he's the kind of player that will lose his effectiveness once he gets older IMO...

As opposed to?

Show me a footballer who doesn't match that description! :laugh:

by **Penguins** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:03 pm

maguskwt wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:It amazes me how many fans will ignore plausible reasons for lack of goals and appearances such as injury.

The fact is Harry Kewell is a top quality player when fit. Fitness is his key not performance consistency. People who say Kewell is now ineffective are quite frankly ignorant and cannot tell their arse from their elbow.

never rated kewell that highly... out of 5 he's probably 3.5 IMO... his finishing is not like a striker's.... his playmaking ability is not like an attacking midfielder... his wingplay is not like a proper winger... decent skill and ball control and a good long distance shot... at leeds he runs at defenders and shoots from distance and scores... that's what he always did... now he's lost quite a bit of pace and that took out alot from him... he doesn't even have the trickiness and finishing ability of viduka... probably a very effective player at Leeds...now just above average... not top class like gerrard, alonso, carragher, reina... or even effective like finnan, riise... he's the kind of player that will lose his effectiveness once he gets older IMO...

Finally some sense.

He signed a contract for 5 years and had a decent 05/06 and still only got 3 goals.
He has been well below average or injured more or less all the other seasons.
And when a player has that many injures it is much easier to get a injured again with age.
At Leeds he had great pace, was almost injury free and ran past fullbacks all the time and showing nice flair.

Now he is much slower which takes away so much from his game. When available he is still above average but not top class anymore.

And then there is the whole part about being available which is something you can NEVER count on when it comes to Kewell.

by **maguskwt** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:07 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
maguskwt wrote:he's the kind of player that will lose his effectiveness once he gets older IMO...

As opposed to? Show me a footballer who doesn't match that description!

mcallister, sheringham, insaghi...

well you know what i'm talking about kewell is a player that depends too much on his physical abilities... of course every player loses effectiveness to a certain extent but the players above uses other qualities like football intelligence, reading, etc to still play at the highest club levels... i dont' see kewell as such a player...

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:20 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
maguskwt wrote:he's the kind of player that will lose his effectiveness once he gets older IMO...

As opposed to? Show me a footballer who doesn't match that description!

mcallister, sheringham, insaghi...

well you know what i'm talking about kewell is a player that depends too much on his physical abilities... of course every player loses effectiveness to a certain extent but the players above uses other qualities like football intelligence, reading, etc to still play at the highest club levels... i dont' see kewell as such a player...

Fair enough, mate--some players decline at a faster rate than others.

For me, Kewell is not yet past it and will be a vital member of the squad this coming year if he stays fit. I'm not saying he's world class and I'm not saying his Leeds-vintage Kewell but he still has the skill and instincts to bring balance to our midfield.

Now, should we go out and buy a player like Quaresma, Kewell may find himself more of a squad player but I have no doubt that he'll be quite a useful player to have in the side this coming season.

by **Kewell2Dominate** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:54 pm

Alright he is playing agaisnt iraq tomorrow or friday, not to sure what day. Iraq are a decent team, saw tem play thailand and completley outclassed them. I will watch the game and will give you an honest opinion of how he goes. Mainly watch he dribbling one on one vs the fullback, his crosses to viduka and co and any shots he has. Will also see if lacks the f*cking heart to retreat any balls he loses or any in general that he doesn'r seem to do for us.

by **.:RedKuyt:.** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:06 pm

He;s hawt!!

by **redmikey** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:43 pm

.:RedKuyt:. wrote:He;s hawt!!

what the feck does that mean :veryangry

by **Kewell2Dominate** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:50 pm

Listen guys i have just got back from the pub after watching oz lose to iraq 3-1. As a proud sporting nation, this has to be one of the most embarrassing sporting performance i have seen. I know we are not the most recognisable football nation but after the world cup thought we would stride forward. Anyway, the point of the post was to inform you all that harry's performance was probably in the top 3 worst performers. Apart from 2 decent crosses he was :censored:

. He attempted to beat opposite player numerous times and sis not look like doing it once, his first touch was rubbish, his 2 shots were miles off target and he didn't show any ticker. Guys, i know its early but he has to get back to liverpool and train the house down or Rafa needs to start looking for a left winger pronto!

by **Ace Ventura** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:00 pm

Kewell2Dominate wrote:Listen guys i have just got back from the pub after watching oz lose to iraq 3-1. As a proud sporting nation, this has to be one of the most embarrassing sporting performance i have seen. I know we are not the most recognisable football nation but after the world cup thought we would stride forward. Anyway, the point of the post was to inform you all that harry's performance was probably in the top 3 worst performers. Apart from 2 decent crosses he was . He attempted to beat opposite player numerous times and sis not look like doing it once, his first touch was rubbish, his 2 shots were miles off target and he didn't show any ticker. Guys, i know its early but he has to get back to liverpool and train the house down or Rafa needs to start looking for a left winger pronto!

Hey, at least he never got injured

Not meaning to sound like a t!t, but i hope he uses that tournament to get himself fit and doesnt go too mad.
If he gets back to Melwood in decent shape and injury free i wont give two fooks if he was Australias worst performer.

by **Kewell2Dominate** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:02 pm

I am hoping for the same to be honest. he needs a few games but i thought a full pre-season would be better for him. Just have to see how he goes when he gets back.

by **mungi** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:12 am

i actually thought kewell did alright last night. his crosses were always dangerous but no one took advantage of them. his first touch was better than against oman lol but he is obvoiusly lacking match fitness. he got limited one on ones and although he rarely beat the man he forced the defender to commit a foul on him. he didnt have any space to move because he always had 2 guys marking him. Kewell is slowly getting there boys and will be firing when he goes back to liverpool

by **Kewell2Dominate** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:11 am

Kewell was awful. Look at the :censored:

team they played and he couldn't beat his man once. yes they brought him down once or twice and he was man marked to the extreme, often by 2 players but he had his chances in space and didn't take them. I am just saying he has work to do thats all.

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