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by **RedorDead** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:17 am

Just read on BBC gossip collumn that Jamie Carragher is quitting England....it is from a "source close to the player" but reported in the Sunday Mail apparently.
if it's true what do we think? I mean the quote says he wants to concentrate on making Liverpool the number one team in England again which is music to my ears but the fact remains that playing for England is a real honour for some and one could argue part of his "duty" as a professional footballer.
I don't know if this decision is because he is down the pecking order for England or he genuinely wants to concentrate on Liverpool but I suspect he is just annoyed at being behind Terry, Ferdinand and even Ledley King in some squads of late.
Personally I would pick Carra to partner John Terry every day of the week but Mclaren and Sven have disagreed and if he is just sat on the bench every international I can't really blame him for quitting. Still with the European Championships coming up it would only take one injury to one player to make him starting centre back at a major tournament and a chance to cement his place in history.

What would you do? I personally would carry on for England aswell as making LFC the best again.

by **lakes10** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:25 am

not sure what to say, i hope he dont but i can see why he would.
I have never understood why he has never been first pick for England.

by **JC_81** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:27 am

I read that rumour myself, but to be honest I'm always a bit cautious when the article reads 'a source close to the player...' as you also point out. It just doesn't sound like Carra to me and I wouldn't be surprised if he comes out and makes a statement in the next few days saying this is rubbish. With him almost guaranteed to be in every England squad due to his versatility and with a European Championship just one year away, I would have thought he'd at least give that a crack before making any decision on his International future - the timing just doesn't make sense.

Having said all that, his position must be really frustrating. Fair enough having Terry and Ferdinand ahead of you (there's not much in it between the three), but King should never have got in ahead of him and there was talk that Woodgate might even have played that game ahead of Carra had he been fit. If it was me I'd be tempted to say 'Fu.ck it I've had enough, I can't do any more', but Carra's not a complainer and I can see him sticking it out.

by **RedorDead** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:38 am

john craig wrote:I read that rumour myself, but to be honest I'm always a bit cautious when the article reads 'a source close to the player...' as you also point out. It just doesn't sound like Carra to me and I wouldn't be surprised if he comes out and makes a statement in the next few days saying this is rubbish. With him almost guaranteed to be in every England squad due to his versatility and with a European Championship just one year away, I would have thought he'd at least give that a crack before making any decision on his International future - the timing just doesn't make sense.

Having said all that, his position must be really frustrating. Fair enough having Terry and Ferdinand ahead of you (there's not much in it between the three), but King should never have got in ahead of him and there was talk that Woodgate might even have played that game ahead of Carra had he been fit. If it was me I'd be tempted to say 'Fu.ck it I've had enough, I can't do any more', but Carra's not a complainer and I can see him sticking it out.

Yeah I read it and thought it just didn't sound like carra, he is blood and thunder and gives 110% every game, why would he quit in European Championships season? Hopefully he'll clear it up but it is an interesting situation if it is true.

by **jkop** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:50 am

Not just be because i support Liverpool but Jamie is an outstanding defender and the experience he has compared to Ledley King is massive, and yet Ledley gets picked in front of Jamie i know its not Ledleys fault or that gimp Rio, but you cant blame Jamie if this rumour is true, but it is a massive loss for England.

by **puroresu** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:20 am

Wouldnt blame him. No matter what he does he never gets a chance at CB.

by **66-1112520797** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:34 am

IF he quits it can only be best for Liverpool really, I wouldnt be bothered by his decision I'd probably welcome it for him. He's never broken through on that level, England are blessed with quality CB's, he's always been a periphial figure so why not, good on him if true.

Thats the difference between him and players like Owen. Carra probabaly would pull on the red shirt of Liverpool before the White shirt of England, we know what Owen would do. I'd prefer loyal players like Carra for Liverpool, MClaren and England would always play second fiddle to Liverpool for Carra I think and me definately.

by **RedorDead** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:44 am

If it is true I hope it would have an effect like it did on Paul Scholes, he has been awesome for Man utd since he quit England, I know he was playing a lot more than Carra was but hopefully it would do similar for his career.
I still don't feel that Carra NEEDS a boost but if he feels that way then I guess it is up to him.

by **BOODIDDY** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:46 am

Personally, if it was me i'd have quit some months ago. Carra is a aupremem professional. Even though i might be biased, i really believe that him and terry are on a par in terms of defensive brilliance. Ferdinand is just not at there defensive level. People harp on about him being a ball player. But, ask yourself, whe did you see ferdinand bring the ball out of defence alla Hansen?

Too many say he is what's needed at international level. Personally i dont think so. A Terry, Carra partnership, would be great for England.

As for the soho :censored:

mclaren picking ledley queen, john woodgate and wes Orange before carra! Absolute insult to one of the best defenders in europe. Carra might not look pretty, but he does what great defenders do. Defend.

I hope it's true cos i'd rather have carra fully committed to us and being able to have summers off and a few weeks through the season off. Look what it has done for scholes?

by **NiftyNeil** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:47 am

I hope he does quit. He's one of the best defenders in Europe, nevermind England, yet he constantly gets overlooked. He shouldn't be playing second fiddle to the likes of Wes Brown and Ledley King.
The decision, if true, can only be good news for Liverpool.

by **Rockthekop** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:52 am

I honestly wouldnt blame him for quitting because no matter how he plays on the rare occasions he plays, and often out of position (Carragher is not a RB, LB or DM), the England managers just dont fancy him at all! Fair enough we have Terry, who for me is the best English CB around, Ferdinand a top defender and King who is a very good defender also. Terry is the obvious choice to play alongside either Ferdinand or Carragher but Ferdinand always gets the nod even though there's nothing between them IMO. King is often picked ahead of Carragher which is a smack in the face. He has had a raw deal on the international stage.

by **Anfield rapper** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:58 am

NiftyNeil wrote:I hope he does quit. He's one of the best defenders in Europe, nevermind England, yet he constantly gets overlooked. He shouldn't be playing second fiddle to the likes of Wes Brown and Ledley King.
The decision, if true, can only be good news for Liverpool.

Agree 100%. The managment have shown that they have their favourites and he is not one of them. A player of his level shouldn't be sitting on the bench each game. If he wants to consentrate on Liverpool that will be for the best of the club and himself.

by **kunilson** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:00 am

he shouldn't have to put up with being treated like a whore by England and if he wants to quit then so be it. no1 in their right mind could blame him if he does quit, let him concentrate on Liverpool, as he gets more out of it and so do we

by **The Ace1983** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:13 am

If it's true, I can't blame him. Both Sven and The-Worst-Manager-Ever have treated him like a mug, placing big-names and kids ahead of him. Even when we had the best defence in the league, he was still left out. But what can you expect when The-Worst-Manager-Ever used to be Fergie's bum-boy and puting Carragher in would mean dropping Rio? But even if Terry and Rio were injured, he'd send out King and Brown!

Fair play to Carra. If he wants to make us the best, then I'm all for that. He's been treated poorly by England and he deserves better. With my England scarf on though, I'm sorry that he never got a real run in the side but with The-Worst-Manager-Ever in charge, I'm surprised more players haven't quit.

by **roberto green** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:50 am

I think the turning point come when Wes (the worst defender in the world) Brown got picked before him for England, ok carras distribution is certainly not the best, but he is the best in the buisness at what he does and thats why he is liverpools no 1 defender,he is twice the profesional than any of the other defenders, the only reason the likes of brown and co get a game before him is because Mclaren loves his man u buds and middlesborugh with that shitea winger he always picks, cant think of his name at the mo?I dont think it will bother jamie tho the same as it hasnt Scholes because as ive said before on this site northern players arnt as patriotic and it doesnt matter as much for them.

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