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LFC2007 wrote:

dam wrote:in Premier League, there's a big pressure on the man who possess the ball. very agressive defense combined with quite permissive referees. But I am insinstent on the fact that except the major teams (MU, chelsea, LFC, arsenal...) the defenses give more spaces to the forwards than in france.
that's not a blame, it is the direct consequence of a more offensive and non-calculating football. it would be more a chance for you. it's spectacular. but this is how it happens

It's not true, I've seen plenty of Ligue 1 games and plenty more Premier League games. This is one of the key reasons why Cisse is successful in France and cannot cut it in England, the pressure on the ball is not as intense and as such he has more space to calculate his runs.

Even with the lesser teams in the Premier League you get little space to operate in, why? Because the tempo is so high and the pressure on the ball is so intense. You get no time on the ball, in France you get much more time on the ball than in England.

And yes, the quality of the defending is not as good in Ligue 1 as it is in England. The game has changed over the past 4 years. There is less and less defensive naivity, the tempo is still just as high, but teams are more tactically aware.

you make your thought on the basis of cissé. but there is large difference in the method to use cissé in auxerre or marseille and in liverpool.

auxerre played a 4-2-3-1 and marseille a 4-3-3. cissé's role in both teams was to push the ball in the net. every time cissé has to dribble, reassure yourself, he loses the ball.
the whole team plays for him. she works to create the shift and he's concluding.
I don't think that was the case in liverpool which played often with 2 forwards, when benitez didn't push on the right wing

I agree with you when you say the tempo is much higher in england and that the defenders are less naive but I think that in france, we still have a better occupation of the field (i don't talk for english top teams) et more rigourous defenses. our trainers are better too

josip84 wrote:

LFC2007 wrote:I think instead of settling for the Baros type situation again, we should say pay up or he's not going, simple as that.

Stop saying "I think". Nobody's asking you to achieve what is out of your reach. 

This discussion about Cissé is now irrelevant.
In finalizing Djib's transfer for only £5.5, the least you can say is that Diouf has swept your back chimney in a way that you don't need to undergo a coloscopy before long. You can be sure that after what Diouf did to you, your anal mucous membrane is cleaner than it has ever been. 

You've lost the Champions League final. But you obviously have also lost any possible skill in the art of negotiation. And to top it all, you've lost your soul in selling your club to american businessmen who know nothing about football.
In actual fact, you've lost everything.
LFC have become a bunch of losers. From where he is, Bill Shankly must be thinking he should have let you walk alone.

Do you know the difference between a condom and the LFC offices?
Well listen : in a condom there's room for only one *****

hey josip.

be cool, guy. we're discussing. it's the moment to teach them french football. I don't think know it very well.

LFC2007 wrote:

josip84 wrote:

LFC2007 wrote:I think instead of settling for the Baros type situation again, we should say pay up or he's not going, simple as that.

Stop saying "I think". Nobody's asking you to achieve what is out of your reach.

This discussion about Cissé is now irrelevant.
In finalizing Djib's transfer for only £5.5, the least you can say is that Diouf has swept your back chimney in a way that you don't need to undergo a coloscopy before long. You can be sure that after Diouf did to you, your anal mucous membrane is cleaner that it has ever been. 

You've lost the Champions League final. But you obviously have also lost any possible skill in the art of negotiation. And to top it all, you've lost your soul in selling your club to american businessmen who know nothing about football.
In actual fact, you've lost everything.
LFC have become a bunch of losers. From where he is, Bill Shankly must be thinking he should have let you walk alone.

Do you know the difference between a condom and the LFC offices?
Well listen : in a condom there's room for only one *****

  Josip the bitter French fudge packer of a frog is back!

Feck Cisse, forget the football he'll comb his hair into the history books!

As for us being losers

Look at Marseille, relegated for MATCH FIXING.

You won the UCL final off the back of the most disgraceful time in French football history.

How many LEGITIMATE European cups have Marseille won??


A big ZERO


8 league titles? In a SH!T league.


We have 18 in the BEST league.


What was the last trophy you won?

The Intertoto Cup!!!!!



We have history, fans, you have nothing.

You are a joke, and your team are not far behind either.



We had Moores, you had Tapie the TWA,T.

dam wrote:you make your thought on the basis of cissé. but there is large difference in the method to use cissé in auxerre or marseille and in liverpool.

auxerre played a 4-2-3-1 and marseille a 4-3-3. cissé's role in both teams was to push the ball in the net. every time cissé has to dribble, reassure yourself, he loses the ball.
the whole team plays for him. she works to create the shift and he's concluding.
I don't think that was the case in liverpool which played often with 2 forwards, when benitez didn't push on the right wing

I agree with you when you say the tempo is much higher in england and that the defenders are less naive but I think that in france, we still have a better occupation of the field (i don't talk for english top teams) et more rigourous defenses. our trainers are better too

dam wrote:oh, I see that I desesperately try to talk with a very stupid man. I'm much too friendly

dam wrote:hey josip.

be cool, guy. we're discussing. it's the moment to teach them french football. I don't think know it very well.

LFC2007 wrote:

dam wrote:you make your thought on the basis of cissé. but there is large difference in the method to use cissé in auxerre or marseille and in liverpool.

auxerre played a 4-2-3-1 and marseille a 4-3-3. cissé's role in both teams was to push the ball in the net. every time cissé has to dribble, reassure yourself, he loses the ball.
the whole team plays for him. she works to create the shift and he's concluding.
I don't think that was the case in liverpool which played often with 2 forwards, when benitez didn't push on the right wing

I agree with you when you say the tempo is much higher in england and that the defenders are less naive but I think that in france, we still have a better occupation of the field (i don't talk for english top teams) et more rigourous defenses. our trainers are better too

I don't base my views on Cisse alone, he is an example of a player who is incapable of delivering at this level in this league. Maybe for a Bolton or a West Ham he may be able to perform to a standard that is good for them, but he cannot make the step up to our level, Marseille are NOT a team on thesame level as us.

Cisse did play on his own up front in certain matches for us and even then he wasn't up to it, his touch is sh!te and he hasn't the composure required to be a top striker in this league. He didn't suit our style, but irrespective of that, if you put him up front for manure, Chelski or Arsenal I still think he'd be just as innefective because he lacks the ability.

Benitez ia a far more adept coach than any of your French compatriots in France. It's no co-incidene that Arsenal effectively copied the style of play we employed in the UCL in the 04/05 season in the following 05/06 season.

We are going to go round in circles debating whether the standard of defending in France is better or worse, in my view there is no comparison. The standard here has improved greatly over the past 4 seasons and is miles better than the standard in France.

LFC2007 wrote:

dam wrote:oh, I see that I desesperately try to talk with a very stupid man. I'm much too friendly

And Josip saying English players commit rapes and read the s*n is ok. I think it's you who is the desperately stupid and ignorant man here, you come to do his dirty work.

This is not a Marseille forum, if you come on a Liverpool forum you show respect. Josip did not, what do you expect from someone who makes empty accusations and offends people?

Get a fecking clue you idiot.

that's not a topic to talk about cissé? cissé didn't sign in marseille? you're not curious to have different point of view from people from another country, with a different culture?

did I say that OM was better than liverpool? today or in the history, I don't care.

I show respect for people who worth it and you don't look like to be part of this kind of people.

or maybe you're angry that we took your in 2004. rancorous? I thought you forgot it, you won a UCL and played a final. (i'm quite less friendly now but be reassured, i don't know a lot of insultsin english)

dam wrote:rafa is very good, mourinho, wenger & fergusson too (when will there be an english one?). ok. but what about other teams ?

in france we have very good coaches you probably don't know but they're very competent.

I hope that you're aware that england has good teams much more because of outsiders than british.
Were is the famous liverpool academy? were is the english selection.
french league is no more what she was 10-15 years ago but we're forayed every year. a story of money (TV rights, fiscal concerns...) . sinama, le tallec, bellion, clichy, flamini, aliadiere and so on... just for the premiership and for young players

I suppose Alain Perrin is one of the competent ones 

Is Paisley Good enough for you? Clough?

They've won more European cups than the whole of France will ever win.

LFC2007 wrote:

dam wrote:that's not a topic to talk about cissé? cissé didn't sign in marseille? you're not curious to have different point of view from people from another country, with a different culture?

did I say that OM was better than liverpool? today or in the history, I don't care.

I show respect for people who worth it and you don't look like to be part of this kind of people.

or maybe you're angry that we took your in 2004. rancorous? I thought you forgot it, you won a UCL and played a final. (i'm quite less friendly now but be reassured, i don't know a lot of insultsin english)

I'm welcoming of people who have genuine views, not people like Josip who you try to defend who accuses us of reading the s*n, who accuses British players of committing rapes, and calls Liverpool "losers".

If you want to defend those actions, then yes, you can feck off too.

You seem to ignore these actions, maybe you have the Wenger disease......."but, I did not see it" 

is there no english player involved recently (in terms of years) in a rape affair? is it not regular that players committ agression? every year, there is an affair. barton against dabo, bellamy agianst riise. every there are this kind of affairs. that's what josip pointed with exaggeration (what is a typic caracteristic of Marseille people ). you didn't understand it, that's all.